Contador 2010

[Race Radio]

Has never been accused by any anti doping agency or UCI of doping,

Not exactly.

Dr. Robin Parisotto, one of anti-doping experts appointed by the International Cycling Union (UCI) to run the Biopassport said that Armstrong used EPO. His words

"To deny is to lie"

Dr. Michael Ashenden, developer of the EPO test and also on the UCI Biopassport team said

"So there is no doubt in my mind he (Lance Armstrong) took EPO during the '99 Tour."

Unlike Lance, Pantani never tested positive.

 

[Publicus]

So far what qualifies as underlying fact in your world is not real impressive.
The only thing I can find as "fact" is an article from a blogger claiming a "Spanish mechanic" told him this story about wheels and all the other articles I find, quote him. Josu Garai is his name. I'm trying to find some reputable source for it and can't so far. I doubt that I will. Nobody is on the record on this as usual.
I find it a little hard to believe that a rider like Contador that's done nothing but live, eat and breath cycling his entire life, could suddenly find out that there's a wonder wheel out there nobody else knows about as though there was some secret dark project to get Lance go faster wheels.
I doubt someone suddenly came up with a stiffer, strong enough, 150 gram lighter bike wheel.
Why don't I hear any verification about even the existence of such a wheel from other riders and/or teams and or/mechanics?
It reeks of tabloid trash.

It's because I live in the reality based world and you live in the LiveStrong-based world. In the LiveStrong-based world objective fact is irrelevant if the Dear Leader and His Loyal Cohorts declare it so. So while you accept Armstrong and Bruyneel's evolving story (first AC was lying, now it's that they all had the same wheel, but AC spent 5M euros for the exact wheel that Trek had already provided him), I've weighed the two stories and the additional facts offered from the blogger (which he had at the outset, but were part of the background/off the record portion of his interview with AC) and find AC's more plausible. I live real. You LiveStrong!

 

[Race Radio]

Carbonsports makes a hand made carbon fiber wheel that I can't find specs on but there appears to be someone interested enough, and knowledgeable enough to go back through the Tour photos. Evidently, lightweight customs Carbonsports have a distinctive look.

At no time did Alberto have those wheels on any bike he raced in the entire Tour, not just the time trials.

http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=1552&cpage=1

You might want to read the comments of that blog post. Turns out Patrick Brady Aka Padarig, was wrong. Contador used a Lightweight disc in the prologue and the Annecy TT. It is obvious by the pictures to anyone that knows the wheels.

 

[BroDeal]

Nope. Never failed a certified test. Has never been accused by any anti doping agency or UCI of doping, never been sanctioned, Never kicked out of a race or a tour.

He tested positive for EPO six times. Corticosteroids once. He is a doper and a fraud. I think we can all agree on that.

 

[Carboncrank]

Not exactly.

No, Exactly.!!

 

[flicker]

I agree Lance probably tried to sabatoge Al with some unsuitable TT wheels.

I am rooting for Astana this year as they have my 2 favorite riders Alberto Contador and Alexandre Vinokurov.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

No, Exactly.!!

CarbonCrank:

Are you in fact Lance Armstrong ?
Do you (Lance) spend this much time in the forums defending yourself ? No wonder you cannot beat Contador on the road.

 

[Publicus]

I agree Lance probably tried to sabatoge Al with some unsuitable TT wheels.

I am rooting for Astana this year as they have my 2 favorite riders Alberto Contador and Alexandre Vinokurov.

No one has ever said that. I we will are all familiar enough to know you are a LiveStrong/Team Lance guy. Rep your squad.

 

[Carboncrank]

He wasn't doping, in the same way that Lance wasn't doping in the 2009 TdF.

Both had values which clearly showed they were doping, but neither failed a drugs test.

I'm posting a reply to this in the clinic under "How The Pro's Defeat The Anti Doping System"

 

[Ripper]

No, Exactly.!!

Exactly Cranque of Carbone - eat lots of bran (and drink water too)

 

[Carboncrank]

CarbonCrank:

Are you in fact Lance Armstrong ?
Do you (Lance) spend this much time in the forums defending yourself ? No wonder you cannot beat Contador on the road.

Well, it is hard. You know I have a large group of specalists with me all the time to do blood samples on me 10 time a day so i can keep the crit high but not too high, and them damn reticulocytes are hard to get just right too.
Actually I have an I-phone and come here and post by text while I'm riding. So that saves some time.
The really hard part is finding enough time between tests and bags and all the needle stuff, to train, and text here while training of course.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Are you claiming he wasn't doping?

NO - but you did when you made this accusation....

...

I'm not talking about insinuations. I'm talking about Martinelli having a real rider, not an imaginary one, fail a real drug test, not an imaginary one, and get his team kicked out of the Giro. The real Giro, not an imaginary one where all your dreams of Johann and Lance getting caught come true.

Pantani never failed a doping test.... Like Lance, Pantani is clean.

 

[progressor]

I haven't bothered to read all this thread SSDD. 1 vs the emob

Carboncrank, you're wasting you're time. Problem is you're basically dealing with a bunch of religious fanatics, armstrong is the devil, contador the saint. You can't reason with them,because like any good bunch religious nuts there opinion is absolute fact, disagreement is heresy, and no rules apply when it comes to attempting to smash any heresy. Heretics are all assumed to have the polar opposite view to themselves,and therefore no rights. All information is simply interpreted and reinterpreted to justify their dogma - logic is pointless.

But don't worry in 10 years time overexposure to the inescapable realities of their current idol will force them to latch their delusions onto a new, younger model and the cycle will begin again. They've had to do this b4, they will again.

 

[Señor_Contador]

An interesting insight in to Contador from Yuriy Kulishkin the Astana team soigneur.

Very interesting interview.

 

[Publicus]

I haven't bothered to read all this thread SSDD. 1 vs the emob

Carboncrank, you're wasting you're time. Problem is you're basically dealing with a bunch of religious fanatics, armstrong is the devil, contador the saint. You can't reason with them,because like any good bunch religious nuts there opinion is absolute fact, disagreement is heresy, and no rules apply when it comes to attempting to smash any heresy. Heretics are all assumed to have the polar opposite view to themselves,and therefore no rights. All information is simply interpreted and reinterpreted to justify their dogma - logic is pointless.

But don't worry in 10 years time overexposure to the inescapable realities of their current idol will force them to latch their delusions onto a new, younger model and the cycle will begin again. They've had to do this b4, they will again.

Ironic isn't it that you haven't read most of the thread but you are comfortable drawing conclusions unsupported by fact, instead relying solely on your own preconceived notions about the nature of the discussion.

 

[Bike Boy]

Another AC interview in MARCA today.

http://www.marca.com/2010/01/28/ciclismo/1264702758.html

Google Translate does a horrible job, but it does pick up some good comments:

This is what CN made of it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-im-better-than-in-2009

 

[Publicus]

This is what CN made of it:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-im-better-than-in-2009

Thanks. I saw that. Now that it has hit the US press, I wonder if that will bring Bruyneel/Armstrong out to offer a rebuttal (with respect to the wheel-issue).

 

[Bike Boy]

I think they did a decent job. main points

1. Contador believes that he can still improve in both mountains and TT.

2. He confirms that the wheel gate incident actually took place.

3. He admits that the atmosphere on the team is now more relaxed

and the sharpest comment i think is this one

Replying to recent declarations by Armstrong about his way of life, the Spaniard said: "We're very different. Contrary to him, it's important to me to have my family at my side, to keep the same friends, to continue to live in the same village and to stay the same. I think he praised me when he said these things."

Really? no way. I must admit this boy knows just how to play Armstrong.
One must wonder why Armstrong throw these easy points towards Contador

 

[Bike Boy]

Thanks. I saw that. Now that it has hit the US press, I wonder if that will bring Bruyneel/Armstrong out to offer a rebuttal (with respect to the wheel-issue).

I have to admit I didn't believe that story to begin with, it's just way out there..
But now that it turns out to be true.... guess there's nothing to debate

 

[thehog]

http://astanafans.com/topics/en

 

[thehog]

Really? no way. I must admit this boy knows just how to play Armstrong.
One must wonder why Armstrong throw these easy points towards Contador

Agreed. This line is the knockout blow: "I have no problem with a relationship of mutual respect"

Armstrong would have thrown his Blackberry at the wall and smashed it into 187 pieces when he read this.

 

[Anonymous]

I think they did a decent job. main points

1. Contador believes that he can still improve in both mountains and TT.

2. He confirms that the wheel gate incident actually took place.

3. He admits that the atmosphere on the team is now more relaxed

and the sharpest comment i think is this one



Really? no way. I must admit this boy knows just how to play Armstrong.
One must wonder why Armstrong throw these easy points towards Contador

I think that's a little lost in translation. I took that not to mean that he thought LA was complementing him, but that while LA thought of it as an insult, AC took it as a complement as it shows that he's humble, grounded etc.

And I'd have to agree with AC. Since when was it bad to stay close to your family and your roots? Or should he be acting the big-shot and dating models half his age?

 

[Anonymous]

Agreed. This line is the knockout blow: "I have no problem with a relationship of mutual respect"

Armstrong would have thrown his Blackberry at the wall and smashed it into 187 pieces when he read this.

And ""I perfectly understand [that journalists keep asking about Armstrong], I know that this interests a lot of people. But I take it with a pinch of salt, because that's the best way not to waste energy thinking about him,"

The more I read of AC the more I like him! It's good to see his interviews are getting some English speaking press, it was needed after LA's free reign to say what he wanted without contradiction last year.

 

[python]

And ""I perfectly understand [that journalists keep asking about Armstrong], I know that this interests a lot of people. But I take it with a pinch of salt, because that's the best way not to waste energy thinking about him,"

The more I read of AC the more I like him! It's good to see his interviews are getting some English speaking press, it was needed after LA's free reign to say what he wanted without contradiction last year.

yes, yes, yes

i see someone around berto finally realized a professional press/media handling was badly needed. english being the most widely read language was absolutely a must. i don't think it was necessarily a response to armstrongs spin. i see a general intelligent hand in all of this. astanafans.com was a rather useless site for an english speaker and now i see more and more good translations. same with video clips.


perhaps fran is as good a business agent as his little bro a rider..

 

[Publicus]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Trek falls on the sword here. Bruyneel and Armstrong will say they knew nothing about the difference in wheels--they assumed they were all alike.