Contador 2010

[Ferminal]

I'm posting a reply to this in the clinic under "How The Pro's Defeat The Anti Doping System"

Thanks for that, we had already taken it further than it should have gone outside ze clinic.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I think that's a little lost in translation. I took that not to mean that he thought LA was complementing him, but that while LA thought of it as an insult, AC took it as a complement as it shows that he's humble, grounded etc.

And I'd have to agree with AC. Since when was it bad to stay close to your family and your roots? Or should he be acting the big-shot and dating models half his age?

The difference being, if Contador dated girls half his age he would be arrested. Lance is safe though.

 

[Hugh Januss]

yes, yes, yes

i see someone around berto finally realized a professional press/media handling was badly needed. english being the most widely read language was absolutely a must. i don't think it was necessarily a response to armstrongs spin. i see a general intelligent hand in all of this. astanafans.com was a rather useless site for an english speaker and now i see more and more good translations. same with video clips.


perhaps fran is as good a business agent as his little bro a rider..

I think it's more to do with the Specialized marketing genius.

 

[ravens]

I think it's more to do with the Specialized marketing genius.

I agree. I hope he genuinely is not enamored of all the marketing and self promoting and is actually the simple humble person he presents himself to be.

I DO want the pistolero cap or t at any cost. His freakin' site has had 'store coming soon' for months. I think 'soon' on a website to an American means a week or two while other cultures it may mean 'when/if we get around to it'.

If he can do the TDF/Vuelta double in 2010, I'd love to see him at least attempt the giro/tdf/vuelta no matter how much of a longshot it is. If he doesn't I think it may be something he regrets as careers go by so quickly (at least before franken-cyclists were created)

 

[Carboncrank]

He tested positive for EPO six times. Corticosteroids once. He is a doper and a fraud. I think we can all agree on that.

Nope. Not true and just the opinion of internet cranks for whom all the evil in cycling stems from Lance Armstrong, bogyman supreme.

You know perfecly well if what you are saying was provable is name would be gone from the record books.

So, no, we can't all agree in that.

 

[Inner Peace]

If he can do the TDF/Vuelta double in 2010, I'd love to see him at least attempt the giro/tdf/vuelta no matter how much of a longshot it is. If he doesn't I think it may be something he regrets as careers go by so quickly (at least before franken-cyclists were created)

All 3 would be amazing!!

Realistically, I think he could do the France/Spain double any year he chooses, but the real champions do the Italy/France double...

 

[Race Radio]

Nope. Not true and just the opinion of internet cranks

It is not only the "Internet Cranks" but also UCI doctors who run the biopassport who say he used EPO.

 

[BikeCentric]

Nope. Not true and just the opinion of internet cranks for whom all the evil in cycling stems from Lance Armstrong, bogyman supreme.

You know perfecly well if what you are saying was provable is name would be gone from the record books.

So, no, we can't all agree in that.

Lots of reading material for you here; note that the links to the source material the blogger provides are not "internet cranks":

http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/11/8-things-on-lance-armstrong-from-other.html

Next, once you follow the sport for a bit longer and learn a bit more about how the UCI functions you'll likely understand that it's actually quite probable that a rider of Armstrong's stature will avoid sanction when even the UCI's scientist responsible for creating the EPO test says that "there is no doubt in my mind that Armstrong used EPO during the 1999 TDF."

Alejandro Valverde for example is still riding under no threat from the UCI. You might want to research his situation and think about how it parallels to one Mr. Lance.

I agree with you however that Armstrong will never be sanctioned by the UCI, but not because he's clean as you believe.

 

[Carboncrank]

Lots of reading material for you here; note that the links to the source material the blogger provides are not "internet cranks":

http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2009/11/8-things-on-lance-armstrong-from-other.html

Next, once you follow the sport for a bit longer and learn a bit more about how the UCI functions you'll likely understand that it's actually quite probable that a rider of Armstrong's stature will avoid sanction when even the UCI's scientist responsible for creating the EPO test says that "there is no doubt in my mind that Armstrong used EPO during the 1999 TDF."

Alejandro Valverde for example is still riding under no threat from the UCI. You might want to research his situation and think about how it parallels to one Mr. Lance.

I agree with you however that Armstrong will never be sanctioned by the UCI, but not because he's clean as you believe.

Here you go again, turning this into a doping thread. I'm not doing it again.
I'm not a rookie and I don't see anything in that link I don't already know about.

It really cracks me up though... oh page where the bit about Cedric Vasseur is.... it crammed full of pictures of lance and the ads for that sports drink.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23699318/Lance-Armstrong-Portrait-by-Cedric-Vasseur

The last I looked he was still the seven time winner of the race and was on the podium at age 37 last July.

 

[Race Radio]

Here you go again, turning this into a doping thread.I'm not doing it again.
I'm not a rookie

It is also clear you are not a rookie at this type of trolling. You keep getting banned and keep returning....sad. What IP address are you using this time?

Arbiter/BanProCycling/Max Power/Great White/Carboncrank

It is clear who has tried to turn this thread into a doping thread.

Cyclingnews mentioned he has some Grand Tour wins. They failed to mention that Unlike Johann, he had a rider that failed a drug test and was thrown out of the Giro along with the whole team.

I'm talking about Martinelli having a real rider, not an imaginary one, fail a real drug test, not an imaginary one, and get his team kicked out of the Giro. T

Are you claiming he wasn't doping?

I have a large group of specalists with me all the time to do blood samples on me 10 time a day so i can keep the crit high but not too high, and them damn reticulocytes are hard to get just right too. ......
The really hard part is finding enough time between tests and bags and all the needle stuff, to train, and text here while training of course.

 

[lagartija]

All 3 would be amazing!!

Realistically, I think he could do the France/Spain double any year he chooses, but the real champions do the Italy/France double...

wow,............ there are plenty of "real champions" that have never won a double, or a Giro or a Tour or a Vuelta for that matter............i think you are grossly underestimating any grand tour win, or any win at all

 

[auscyclefan94]

wow,............ there are plenty of "real champions" that have never won a double, or a Giro or a Tour or a Vuelta for that matter............i think you are grossly underestimating any grand tour win, or any win at all

Agreed. As easy as Conti makes it look like to win a GT you can't just pull them out of our backside.

 

[Carboncrank]

It is also clear you are not a rookie at this type of trolling. You keep getting banned and keep returning....sad. What IP address are you using this time?

Arbiter/BanProCycling/Max Power/Great White/Carboncrank

It is clear who has tried to turn this thread into a doping thread.

Man, you've got way to much time on your hands.

Out of context for the most part. I see one post I probably shouldn't have posted. The last one is called sarcasm.

2 days in a row i've been the one who's halted the topic while others just keep fanning the flames, including you.

Are you claiming he wasn't doping? was a response to:

Originally Posted by Race Radio
Thank you for proving my point.

He failed a heath check, not a drug test. No drugs were found, he never tested positive, He was allowed to compete again 2 weeks later. Doping positives have a 2 years sanction.

 

[Ripper]

I DO want the pistolero cap or t at any cost.

Really? That is unfortunate.

 

[Race Radio]

Man, you've got way to much time on your hands.

Blah, Blah, blah

Too much time?

How many times have you been banned here and still come back?

 

[Carboncrank]

You might want to read the comments of that blog post. Turns out Patrick Brady Aka Padarig, was wrong. Contador used a Lightweight disc in the prologue and the Annecy TT. It is obvious by the pictures to anyone that knows the wheels.

I'm pretty sure you are overplaying your technical expertise.

Yesterday I wrote about the absurdity of the idea he was doping last year based on values that he himself had posted online.

Now we have the same stupid idea concerning the wheels. There are probable a million photos of riders in last years race. Probably hundreds of thousand of Alberto in the race. If there was any truth to this crap hundreds of knowledgeable fans would be waiving their 8 by 10 glossy photographs with pictures and arrows on each one showing exactly what wheels were on his bike when. Where are those thousands of fans? Where are even a couple here that can say, see this is the wheel Kloden had and here is the lightwiegh carbon fiber wheel with ceramic bearings on Alberto's bike.

Here again is the post in question.

http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=1552#comments

From the photos the only wheel that could possibly been in question is the rear wheels used in the time trials.

The claim is that they were giving Lance a lighter wheel with better bearings from Carbonsports than Alberto was given.

What wheel are they talking about? Marka said; "A curious and very knowledgeable they could add that, while the corridors of Astana, Contador included, had at their disposal during the Tour Leightweight wheels 240, Armstrong had prepared for the revolutionary new model 190."
As 190 and 240 only refer to the hub what they are saying is meaningless.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/L...Tubular_Rear_Road_Bike_Wheel/5360040336/#more

http://www.lightweight.info/eng/lr_ventoux.html

I'm basing that on this pic of Alberto in the second TT.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/da_meniz/3782683946/sizes/o/

Near the bottom of the rear wheel you can see the spoke outlines (i think) and they appear way to close to be any version of that wheel.

I've heard racers go on an on about the feel of different wheels. I find it hard to believe Alberto would throw a wheel onto a TdF TT bike, which are skitish to begin with, and go out and race it untried just because it was what Lance was using. Another extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

 

[Carboncrank]

Too much time?

How many times have you been banned here and still come back?

If you have a beef, take it to a mod.

I don't want to hear any more about it.

 

[Race Radio]

I'm pretty sure you are overplaying your technical expertise.

Yesterday I wrote about the absurdity of the idea he was doping last year based on values that he himself had posted online.

Now we have the same stupid idea concerning the wheels. There are probable a million photos of riders in last years race. Probably hundreds of thousand of Alberto in the race. If there was any truth to this crap hundreds of knowledgeable fans would be waiving their 8 by 10 glossy photographs with pictures and arrows on each one showing exactly what wheels were on his bike when. Where are those thousands of fans? Where are even a couple here that can say, see this is the wheel Kloden had and here is the lightwiegh carbon fiber wheel with ceramic bearings on Alberto's bike.

Here again is the post in question.

http://redkiteprayer.com/?p=1552#comments

From the photos the only wheel that could possibly been in question is the rear wheels used in the time trials.

The claim is that they were giving Lance a lighter wheel with better bearings from Carbonsports than Alberto was given.

What wheel are they talking about? Marka said; "A curious and very knowledgeable they could add that, while the corridors of Astana, Contador included, had at their disposal during the Tour Leightweight wheels 240, Armstrong had prepared for the revolutionary new model 190."
As 190 and 240 only refer to the hub what they are saying is meaningless.

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/L...Tubular_Rear_Road_Bike_Wheel/5360040336/#more

http://www.lightweight.info/eng/lr_ventoux.html

I'm basing that on this pic of Alberto in the second TT.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/da_meniz/3782683946/sizes/o/

Near the bottom of the rear wheel you can see the spoke outlines (i think) and they appear way to close to be any version of that wheel.

I've heard racers go on an on about the feel of different wheels. I find it hard to believe Alberto would throw a wheel onto a TdF TT bike, which are skitish to begin with, and go out and race it untried just because it was what Lance was using. Another extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

Strange that you continue to embarrass yourself with this wheel stuff.

It has been settled. Carbonsports confirmed AC's story. The new wheel was much more then just a different hub, there was also a different carbon layup that resulted in a lighter, stiffer wheel. Johann and Lance lied about it. End of story.

 

[BroDeal]

If you have a beef, take it to a mod.

I don't want to hear any more about it.

Uh-oh. Looks like the troll is getting angry.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Strange that you continue to embarrass yourself with this wheel stuff.

It has been settled. Carbonsports confirmed AC's story. The new wheel was much more then just a different hub, there was also a different carbon layup that resulted in a lighter, stiffer wheel. Johann and Lance lied about it. End of story.

Race Radio, as right as you are... let's just say what you are saying will most likely go in one ear and out the other. The reason being, apart from the emptiness within both ears, for the LA contingency it's all about slogans. Alberto is lying. Period.

It doesn't matter that Contador may be right and that your information may prove different, it's that it goes against "truism" # 1 in LA's and JB's version of the story, namely that "Alberto is lying". Hence every argument against Alberto falls into place and everything else is vigorously argumented to death for no aparent reason whatsoever.

That's why "truism" # 1, when proved to be wrong, eventually mutates into a "well, AC did have to buy his own wheels, but he didn't use them!". Which, by the way, when proved wrong, then mutates further into a "well, AC may have bought his own wheels", which he did, "and he may have used them in a stage or two, but it was a small part of the wheel!". And on, and on, and on.

And this is all because of the fact of the "Alberto is lying" effect. You repeat it enough times and people end up believing it.

Add to it an incredibly stubborn person like Carboncrank and you've got yourself a major time-wastin'.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Carboncranky is sick of being called out for trolling.

 

[Carboncrank]

Race Radio, as right as you are... let's just say what you are saying will most likely go in one ear and out the other. The reason being, apart from the emptiness within both ears, for the LA contingency it's all about slogans. Alberto is lying. Period.

It doesn't matter that Contador may be right and that your information may prove different, it's that it goes against "truism" # 1 in LA's and JB's version of the story, namely that "Alberto is lying". Hence every argument against Alberto falls into place and everything else is vigorously argumented to death for no aparent reason whatsoever.

That's why "truism" # 1, when proved to be wrong, eventually mutates into a "well, AC did have to buy his own wheels, but he didn't use them!". Which, by the way, when proved wrong, then mutates further into a "well, AC may have bought his own wheels", which he did, "and he may have used them in a stage or two, but it was a small part of the wheel!". And on, and on, and on.

And this is all because of the fact of the "Alberto is lying" effect. You repeat it enough times and people end up believing it.

Add to it an incredibly stubborn person like Carboncrank and you've got yourself a major time-wastin'.

If he bought wheels because he wanted the same hot wheels lance was using, and didn't use them, then he's wasting our time talking about it.

Photos clearly show nobody was using lightwieghts on the stage bikes. Rim shapes and spoke patterns make that obvious.

The ONLY question is what wheel is on the rear of the TT bike where the cover hides the spokes and makes it hard to see the rim.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If he bought wheels because he wanted the same hot wheels lance was using, and didn't use them, then he's wasting our time talking about it.

Photos clearly show nobody was using lightwieghts on the stage bikes. Rim shapes and spoke patterns make that obvious.

The ONLY question is what wheel is on the rear of the TT bike where the cover hides the spokes and makes it hard to see the rim.

The photos have been posted and you can clearly see what's on there. Unless you're being intentionally obtuse.

 

[Publicus]

If he bought wheels because he wanted the same hot wheels lance was using, and didn't use them, then he's wasting our time talking about it.

Photos clearly show nobody was using lightwieghts on the stage bikes. Rim shapes and spoke patterns make that obvious.

The ONLY question is what wheel is on the rear of the TT bike where the cover hides the spokes and makes it hard to see the rim.

It was the rear wheel, which was customized and rebranded with Bontrager labels (as was Lance's). AC used a HED H3D (also co-branded as Bontrager) on the front. If I recall correctly (using memory here), Lance is riding a multi-spoked front wheel with a deep carbon rim that was made by Bontrager (could be Zipp and rebranded).

 

[Carboncrank]

It was the rear wheel, which was customized and rebranded with Bontrager labels (as was Lance's). AC used a HED H3D (also co-branded as Bontrager) on the front. If I recall correctly (using memory here), Lance is riding a multi-spoked front wheel with a deep carbon rim that was made by Bontrager (could be Zipp and rebranded).

Can anybody document the time line of when the supposed discovery was made that Lance had a different wheel?

Lance was using the same front. As was Rast As was Popo. And Columbia riders and many others.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/3750719958_c4021298a6.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2492/3790137570_353d54a540.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3525/3790123776_6d776fae00.jpg