Contador acquitted

[TubularBills]

Yes, excellent post. That's what I was trying to point out before, but I think you said it better in your post. It's the point of discussion no one wants to discuss.

+1 and agreed.

"if the sample came from an in-competition test, then the results of the athlete for that competition are automatically invalidated."

As is and has been discussed (here in the clinic) ad infinitum...

At this point they might as well throw out the rule book.

What a farce. Shameful. Not much of a sport - more like bodybuilding and WWF at this point... now it's just a spectacle.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Someone here is channeling Daotec.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Clenbuterol is prohibited by the EU in food-producing animals. It is (AFAIK) not approved for any therapeutic use in humans either within the EU. Btw. before you complain about my Eurocentric views, both statements hold true for a much wider range of countries, but I'm too lazy to research the precise extend.

Anyway, the only way to get clen into your system (living in countries for which the two above rules apply) are by illegal use (either in the food industry, or your own illegal use of prescription medication).

Now I can understand that you might balk at strict liability when it concerns illegal use in the food industry. I would contest your assertion that it is impossible to show when that happens. For starters, it's never just one cattle which is contaminated, usually these kinds of manipulation are done to a herd at once, so there's usually more evidence than just one single steak. Second, there's always parts of the cattle which won't be consumed at once. Parts of the cattle will find their way to a lot of other products and those pieces might be available for testing. Third, there's the hair test of the athlete. And I could go on with plenty of other things which could be done if the will is there. My understanding is that none of that was ever even attempted. It was portrayed from the beginning that it's virtually impossible to show accidental ingestion of clen. This is not true. It's a smokescreen set up for the benefit of one person.

+1000!

I posted some research from Mexico that corroborates the notion that where Clenbuterol is used in cattle, many cattle are found to have it. Not select animals.

I'm amazed that people will firmly believe the impossible odds of Pharmador getting meat from one single animal that had Clenbuterol in it. If only I could harness that ability to lie to people and have them take it in whole, unquestioned. "These are not the Droids we are looking for" Comes to mind.

 

[sagard]

This really could go no other way once the positive was leaked by the press. Despite the positive Contador still held all the cards. He has the intimate knowledge (first hand experience) of the Discover/Astana programs and is a credible person to verify publicly all of what Landis has preached about the UCI and others after coming clean.

If he were to be punished, what does he have to lose? I'm sure he isn't going broke anytime soon and he finally payback some people in a way much bigger than simply winning the '09 TDF.

RFEC is now painted as the villain and the UCI can throw their hands in the air and claim "There is nothing we could do!!!"

 

[Boeing]

Anyone have a lead on a butcher here in socal with Clem Filet? I am down

 

[sniper]

sniper: shut up.

I wasn't talking to you, so why tha * are you talking to me?
and if it's because of yesterday's diss: I'm sorry, now get over it.

 

[Elagabalus]

... I would bet my house that he doped...

Well, you better tell your ex-wife to start packing, Hitch!!





just kidding ...

 

[roundabout]

This really could go no other way once the positive was leaked by the press. Despite the positive Contador still held all the cards. He has the intimate knowledge (first hand experience) of the Discover/Astana programs and is a credible person to verify publicly all of what Landis has preached about the UCI and others after coming clean.

If he were to be punished, what does he have to lose? I'm sure he isn't going broke anytime soon and he finally payback some people in a way much bigger than simply winning the '09 TDF.

RFEC is now painted as the villain and the UCI can throw their hands in the air and claim "There is nothing we could do!!!"

The same Contador who learns about doping from the press?

 

[scribe]

Anyone have a lead on a butcher here in socal with Clem Filet? I am down

Beats the hell out of getting it via needles.

 

[DirtyWorks]

- it is ilegal to dope (in cycling).still, ALL OF THEM (that are trying to win) DOPE.

Not every rider. Not every race. But, at the sharp end of the Grand Tours, it's likely those results are doped. Do clean riders make it to the end of Grand Tours? Yes, for sure.

but, we know that meat industry is not tested like cycling ...

False. The meat industry in Spain is to EU standards. I don't know why this falsehood lives on...

but 50 pico of clen??????????????

Yes. Why? It doesn't occur naturally and it is not in the food supply. Moreover, In other parts of the world when Clen is found in a meat supply, it's use is widespread, not isolated.

 

[hrotha]

Now I can understand that you might balk at strict liability when it concerns illegal use in the food industry. I would contest your assertion that it is impossible to show when that happens. For starters, it's never just one cattle which is contaminated, usually these kinds of manipulation are done to a herd at once, so there's usually more evidence than just one single steak. Second, there's always parts of the cattle which won't be consumed at once. Parts of the cattle will find their way to a lot of other products and those pieces might be available for testing. Third, there's the hair test of the athlete. And I could go on with plenty of other things which could be done if the will is there. My understanding is that none of that was ever even attempted. It was portrayed from the beginning that it's virtually impossible to show accidental ingestion of clen. This is not true. It's a smokescreen set up for the benefit of one person.

Excellent post. However, it would seem Contador's defense already covers this. He claims they traced the meat back to the animal but that they found the number they got couldn't correspond to the animal, as the weight didn't add up, so the figure would have been falsified and it would be impossible to find other products derived from the animal. He also claims the farm was fined for clenbuterol use some 10 years ago.

Of course, that's the sort of thing that happens when you don't investigate for a couple of months: you find (pretty convenient) dead-ends. Even if the specific animal couldn't be found, other samples could have been collected at the farm if they had done it earlier.

 

[c&cfan]

dirtyworks

i know that it is tested (obviously). but it isnt tested like cycling is. in meat industry, testing is not even close to cycling's tests about doping. still, if all of the great winners in history were doped, how can you say or even think that clen isnt used in meat? do you know what logic is right? do you also know how this big industries work right?

saying that clen (and similar products) isnt HUGELY used (everytime they can) in meat industry isnt smart. and believe, they can use it lots of time.

 

[flicker]

Great to see Alberto riding today. Cycling is a pro sport no different than other pro sports. It is an entertainment akin to colosseum gladiator battles, an entertainment to appease the masses. Arriba, allez Contador and cycling.

 

[Sørensen]

Yesterday I was happy Contador was found innocent. But reading this forum and how people are *****ing and moaning about it, even tops that.

I love doping so very much <3

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yesterday I was happy Contador was found innocent. But reading this forum and how people are *****ing and moaning about it, even tops that.

I love doping so very much <3

Well you'll get no argument from me. I don't waste my time arguing with idiots.
Have a nice day.

 

[Berzin]

Yesterday I was happy Contador was found innocent. But reading this forum and how people are *****ing and moaning about it, even tops that.

Absolutely correct.

I find it odd that so many people dislike Contador when he's really never done anything to anyone and doesn't have a history of being anything but cordial to press and fans alike.

If cycling patently refuses to change from the top down, then there is no point in banning Contador.

Why should Contador fans like me get punished after having to suffer through so many years of bad Tours with no one really to root for?

I want to enjoy this Pyrrhic victory until the next scandal comes up. Hopefully it won't involve Contador and he's home-free.

 

[quiensabe]

dirtyworks

i know that it is tested (obviously). but it isnt tested like cycling is. in meat industry, testing is not even close to cycling's tests about doping. still, if all of the great winners in history were doped, how can you say or even think that clen isnt used in meat? do you know what logic is right? do you also know how this big industries work right?

saying that clen (and similar products) isnt HUGELY used (everytime they can) in meat industry isnt smart. and believe, they can use it lots of time.

Somebody else said something about "Spanish meat is up to EU standards." All of it? How does he know that? Sweeping statements are risky. Spain has zero tolerace of doping, too. So why the idea that Spanish cyclists dope, but all Spanish meat-producers are perfect citizens who never ever break the law?

 

[Wallace]

Somebody else said something about "Spanish meat is up to EU standards." All of it? How does he know that? Sweeping statements are risky. Spain has zero tolerace of doping, too. So why the idea that Spanish cyclists dope, but all Spanish meat-producers are perfect citizens who never ever break the law?

Spanish meat is tested a lot more--and a lot more seriously--than Spanish riders.

 

[patricknd]

Absolutely correct.

I find it odd that so many people dislike Contador when he's really never done anything to anyone and doesn't have a history of being anything but cordial to press and fans alike.

a lot of people just don't like winners, and they tend to be the vocal ones. look at the ny yankees. once the winner comes second or third, suddenly he's the man of the masses again. look at armstrong...... okay bad example but you get my drift

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Absolutely correct.

I find it odd that so many people dislike Contador when he's really never done anything to anyone and doesn't have a history of being anything but cordial to press and fans alike.

While I agree with everything said in this post, I had to chuckle at this.

I always find it hilarious when reading posts on these boards consisting of a whole wall of text revolving around a display of dislike for certain athletes. This can abundantly be seen lately because of the newly formed Leopard-Trek team which does not seem to be popular.

I mean, substitute Contador for Andrew (or even the whole team name) or any other disliked rider, and you get my thoughts about this.

It's not like anyone has offended anybody, yet there appears to be a general consensus that they're "the bad guys".

 

[hrotha]

It's a shame people need to keep trying to portray this as a matter of personal dislike and then complain about a general lack of objectivity. The mind boggles.

 

[scribe]

If cycling patently refuses to change from the top down, then there is no point in banning Contador.

You've jumped right to one of the dumber Armstrong defenses. However we rationalize a positive control I suppose. Mileages may vary.

 

[scribe]

It's a shame people need to keep trying to portray this as a matter of personal dislike and then complain about a general lack of objectivity. The mind boggles.

I have no problem disliking anyone netted in a positive control. Contador seems like a nice guy, and while I appreciate the man-love that might engender for certain fans, he has got to go sit in the box for his offense against a cleaner sport.

 

[Hugh Januss]

You've jumped right to one of the dumber Armstrong defenses. However we rationalize a positive control I suppose. Mileages may vary.

3 times in one day!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Absolutely correct.

I find it odd that so many people dislike Contador when he's really never done anything to anyone and doesn't have a history of being anything but cordial to press and fans alike.

If cycling patently refuses to change from the top down, then there is no point in banning Contador.

Why should Contador fans like me get punished after having to suffer through so many years of bad Tours with no one really to root for?

I want to enjoy this Pyrrhic victory until the next scandal comes up. Hopefully it won't involve Contador and he's home-free.

I agree with you. None of these cyclist should get in trouble for PED use. That includes even the worst of all Lance Armstrong.
Just because many dislike him does not mean he should be punished for his wrongs.