Contador and Spanish cycling

[No_Balls]

Meanwhile. Cadel Evans really speaks out against Lance here. Bang! He is dead:

"That is going to cost us," he said.

His comments followed Armstrong being stripped of seven Tour de France titles after a damning report by the United States Anti-Doping Agency.

Cycling's peak body, the UCI, called for the Texan's achievements to be forgotten and there were no images of the American in the Tour de France presentation on Wednesday.

Evans praised USADA for lifting a lid on the rampant use of drugs with the Australian stating he had noticed a big change since first competing on the 2005 tour.

He thought the media reaction was over the top but understood that feelings were running high.

‘‘I would say it has been very hysterical,’’ he said.

‘‘I can understand it is very confronting for everyone involved and I was there trying to follow in 2005.

‘‘I think if anyone should be disappointed it should be myself but these things cause change and already have caused changes and from these events we have already moved forward for the better.

‘‘It is difficult to deal with at the moment but let’s move on and look to the future.’’

Evans believed the sport had learned from the mistakes of the past and the sport was now on ‘‘a level playing field’’.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/spo...ong-scandal-20121024-285ua.html#ixzz2AJ1g0Aeu

Where have i read this before? Oh, yes, Alberto Contador:

A certain number of things are being said and in the end we have to look at what there is and what there is not, the different institutions and measures that need to be taken," Contador told Canal Plus.

"And then as far as the rest goes we have to focus only and exclusively on the present and future of this fine sport," added the 29-year-old, who won last month's Tour of Spain

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story....TT_0_UK-CYCLING-ARMSTRONG-CONTADOR&sec=sports

Now i want to know what separates these two interviews. Shoot!

AC today is the same AC that LA was mean to in 2009. Now he is the enemy for doing what he has always done, IOW enforce omerta. FL would still be slammed if LA would have given him a job in 2010. Look in the mirror MM. You are the problem.

Exactly. As i have said many times. There are some very few brave souls here concerning about the overall doping and the preserved Omertá in the peloton. The rest are just intrested in pinpoint the problem to some other guys (them southerners) collectively and turn a blind eye to the bigger picture.

 

[Albatros]

Your evidence against Lemond is what? That's what I thought.

Beat the lot of them who were doped to the gills. Worked with doping doctors his whole career.

Devastating and logically conclusive facts.

But over here you have decided aleatorially that before EPO you could compete with drugged cyclists even when your very own hero is implying the opposite.

Luckily for our Lemond nobody of his generation gives a **** and they are old school (don't throw stones if you live in a glass house). And this calculating highly hypocritical individual played that card very well.

And his "fighting" against doping is rather amusing. One season he is riding for PDM, no complians, and next season when they SACK him he accuses them of doping. One day he loses three minutes to Indurain in a TT accusing him of doping, 2 hours later he is saying that he is a great champion.

In fact he has always used the doping card to extol his virtues as a cyclist and to excuse for his poor performances, and well to get more attention once he retired from cycling.

How can you trust someone like that?

And let's not forget that Lemond defended Delgado in his Probenecid affair, the same way now Contador is defending Armstrong.

How funny is that?

 

[HL2037]

They are closing rank, all those who benefit from the omerta.

Pat mcQuaid declares on press conference that Bjarne Riis can stay in the sport though Bruyneel can't. Next day Contador defends Armstrong. Yet another dirty deal has been made to cover up the truth.

I really really liked Contador and I am immensely disappointed. He acts like a coward and I am no longer a fan of his.

 

[jilbiker]

In future, current and former pros should stick with "it's sad for cycling when things like this happen" and then just walk away.

Anything else is going to create derision and angst among the fans, as they tend to read from it what they will.

FWIW, I think AC is saying that the evidence is the same as it's been since 2005, which while he's not saying LA is guilty, he's certainly being very ambiguous. Him of all people should shut the f up ..

I always thought that the two of them hated each other, so maybe it's the mutual respect of each other as dopers which is the reason he's saying what he's saying..

I wonder if this is a language issue? Not the first time that translation of AC's statement in english has been bungled. The english language is very limited while other languages have nuances built into it depending on tone of voice or look on face, a statement can mean something very different. Interesting back in 2009, there was also a bungle of AC's statement on Lance after the TDF.

 

[ChrisE]

I realize that Armstrong's downfall has been hard on fanboys such as yourself, so I'm going to ignore that fantasy post with which you just polluted the board.

Polluted the board? You start a thread about how you have defended Contadope, and I pollute the board? How about calling it 'inconvenient truth'.

When did you start defending AC, and under what premise?

 

[Fidolix]

Yes that seems to be what he is saying and most others are inferring. Which of course is total rubbish, I find it hard to understand why they all keep on going on about no evidence or failed tests. Now we have most of his team testifying under oath rather than rumour and speculation. Its like saying if 15 people see someone shoot another person its not murder unless they have the gun, a photo and a confession. Wheras of course you would be convicted in any court based on witnesses.

And as for all the fanboys on here bleating Contadors defence, you only make it worse trying to make baseless defenses based on the fact that he can climb hills fast, or isnt wiggo or has a nice smile. Get over it he is a convicted doper, Armstrong is a proven doper and actually pretty much all the top spanish riders are proven dopers or highly implicated, thats not a rumour that also seems quite clear.

This forum all too quickly descends into national stereotypes and bias, but in this case I am sure the Spanish riders are doing a very poor job and portraying their profession awfully.

How about open your eyes, see the sunlight.
Everybody doped regardless of nationality, being Spanish or not have nothing to do with anything, they just used the same docs.
Who would you defend? Who can you prove never took dope?
In your own logic they most likely all did.
So give it a rest about who is dirty and who is not, who should shut up and who can speak, a few riders have confessed out of 100s, and we all know what went on, this is not only an issue about what was going on USPS, it was ongoing on all teams, Astana, TVM, Festina, Saxo, Quickstep etc etc etc etc.

As long you don´t have a kind of amnesty for confessed dopers, they will continue to deny and play the game, especially those who still are active, blame the corrupt UCI, not the rider that we can´t clean out the past...yet.

 

[Fidolix]

Sure I did, you tell me what was going on in 2009 unless you have selective memory loss. I recall way more than Berzin, with the doper in his avatar running around the clinic slamming LA and giving other dopers a pass, coming to the aid of the sympathetic figure doped up AC when LA took his wheels. The AC that scorched the last TT that year and put the numbers on Verbier. I also recall getting in the usual arguments at the time pointing out what I am pointing out now. It's all about who LA's enemy is at the time, and that results in get out of jail free cards.

To think AC, of all people, would come out and jam LA right now with his intertwined past, and the resulting outrage shown in the clinic for his actions today is beyond hysterical.

I guess he doesn't hold a grudge about dinner table meanies, or having to borrow TT wheels lol. Maybe you clowns should have realized that at the time. Nah, that would be asking too much.

Thanks for confirming who´s the real clown.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Beat the lot of them who were doped to the gills. Worked with doping doctors his whole career.

Devastating and logically conclusive facts.

But over here you have decided aleatorially that before EPO you could compete with drugged cyclists even when your very own hero is implying the opposite.

Luckily for our Lemond nobody of his generation gives a **** and they are old school (don't throw stones if you live in a glass house). And this calculating highly hypocritical individual played that card very well.

And his "fighting" against doping is rather amusing. One season he is riding for PDM, no complians, and next season when they SACK him he accuses them of doping. One day he loses three minutes to Indurain in a TT accusing him of doping, 2 hours later he is saying that he is a great champion.

In fact he has always used the doping card to extol his virtues as a cyclist and to excuse for his poor performances, and well to get more attention once he retired from cycling.

How can you trust someone like that?

And let's not forget that Lemond defended Delgado in his Probenecid affair, the same way now Contador is defending Armstrong.

How funny is that?

I see you have no proof either. Noted.

 

[No_Balls]

Luckily for our Lemond nobody of his generation gives a **** and they are old school (don't throw stones if you live in a glass house). And this calculating highly hypocritical individual played that card very well.

Thats very funny considering the urgent need to speak about Indurain these days as something like a epitome of EPO-usage. Of course they quite cant make it clear exactly when he started using it, some says 1990-1991-1992, but one thing is clear and its close to were LeMond started losing.

But who can blame them really? Given that their fallen hero Armstrong has shown him to be the biggest fraud in sports, national pride is at stake here.

And let's not forget that Lemond defended Delgado in his Probenecid affair, the same way now Contador is defending Armstrong.

Not funny at all. Pretty much the same Omert&#225] Spanish sports culture, rotten to the core. Everyone thought it already, their riders now confirm it. Disgusting.[/QUOTE]

And i am sure Rabobanks withdrawal from the sport was not due to their philantropic outlook and sense of fair play.

Around twenty professional teams are alleged to have been involved in this scam over the four-year period 2008-2011. The prosecutor's office have obtained the contracts of all the cyclists who rode in that period for Liquigas, Lampre, Colnago, Geox, Androni, Katusha, Quick Step, CNF-Inox, Farnese Vini, Acqua&Sapone, Astana, RadioShack, Vacansoleil, ISD, CSF, LPR, Diquigiovanni, Tinkoff, Rabobank, Gerolsteiner and Milram to compare them with the contracts deposited with the UCI to see how much money they failed to declare.

http://english.gazzetta.it/More_spo...nk-accounts-fake-contracts-912946609743.shtml

 

[Benotti69]

Armstrong is my hero

Must be hard trying to emotionally invest in a doper, cheat and a fraud, that the truth makes you want to lash out at others and not yourself for being so naive.

You can get help for your problem. Admitting it is the first step

 

[No_Balls]

As long you don´t have a kind of amnesty for confessed dopers, they will continue to deny and play the game, especially those who still are active, blame the corrupt UCI, not the rider that we can´t clean out the past...yet.

+1

A thread like this is a godgiven diversion for the likes of UCI and McQuaid. And remember, he himself had tried this spin before:

The UCI President, Pat McQuaid, was brutal in an attack on the Spanish government and Spain’s cycling federation. He said that, “a large percentage of the doping cases come from Spain and something needed to be done about it.” McQuaid said that the issue was that he felt the Spanish government was turning a blind eye to the problem and it needed to step up and take corrective measures if the reputation of the sport was to be saved.

http://blogs.bettor.com/Spains-Doping-Problem-The-Sport-of-Cycling-in-Trouble-a31391

 

[Alpehue]

So Alberto wants the biggest fraud in sporting history to be cheered and paraded around the streets of USA, rather than be humiliated and destroyed and given the treatment he deserves.

Noone but you said that, all he said is that this turned in to whitch hunt of Lance, and i completely agree!

He cheated, and should be punished, but it should be a fair system, not a which hunt.

I dont understand why you guys freak out like this, and read as much between the lines as you do. Noone said most of the things you guys claim.

 

[HL2037]

He cheated, and should be punished, but it should be a fair system, not a which hunt.

What do you think is unfair about the system that brought down Lance Armstrong?

 

[Northern rider]

Marcel Kittel unimpressed with AC et al

"I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez & Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?! "
"I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false game somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! "

https://twitter.com/marcelkittel

 

[Benotti69]

Noone but you said that, all he said is that this turned in to whitch hunt of Lance, and i completely agree!

He cheated, and should be punished, but it should be a fair system, not a which hunt.

I dont understand why you guys freak out like this, and read as much between the lines as you do. Noone said most of the things you guys claim.

The only people callig it a 'witch hunt' are Armstrong, his paid liars and his little minions.

The rest of the world not blinded by a cancer shield saw it as Arbitration that he agreed to when signed for his racing licence. The american justice system also agreed.

 

[airstream]

I heard somewhere in Ireland people started a petition process that McQaid resigns. I offer to initiate the same thing on CN forum that Contador repents of all doping sins and quits cycling.

 

[dlwssonic]

I heard somewhere in Ireland people started a petition process that McQaid resigns. I offer to initiate the same thing on CN forum that Contador repents of all doping sins and quits cycling.

lol dude you are really funny. Why don't we do the same for that doper frank schleck then

 

[HL2037]

I heard somewhere in Ireland people started a petition process that McQaid resigns. I offer to initiate the same thing on CN forum that Contador repents of all doping sins and quits cycling.

If mcQuaid is not stopped soon there will be no cycling to quit.

 

[oldcrank]

I offer to initiate the same thing on CN forum that Contador repents of all doping sins and quits cycling.

Where do we sign?

 

[airstream]

lol dude you are really funny. Why don't we do the same for that doper frank schleck then

Go ahead. Though, Frank will anyway quit, if he gets a 2 year ban,

 

[dlwssonic]

Go ahead. Though, Frank will anyway quit, if he gets a 2 year ban,

That would be such a loser mentality.
I don't think he will though. Like someone on this forum said, frank's father probably said that to threaten the luxembourg authorithies.

 

[No_Balls]

I heard somewhere in Ireland people started a petition process that McQaid resigns. I offer to initiate the same thing on CN forum that Contador repents of all doping sins and quits cycling.

Funny. I read a article as late as yesterday where Andy S, rider of the Bruyneel-led Radioshack-Nissan, failed to condemn Armstrong. Why didnt you respond to that message as i told you to?

Oh, i guess you have much other things in your mind. Like F Schleck.

 

[Albatros]

Must be hard trying to emotionally invest in a doper, cheat and a fraud, that the truth makes you want to lash out at others and not yourself for being so naive.

You can get help for your problem. Admitting it is the first step

I can't believe that you still have not comprehended that my goal is not Lemond. He just happens to be that symbolic figure over here representing hypocresy at its maximum level. I also can not understand how you Lemond fanboys immediately believe that anyone criticising Lemond has to be an Armstrong fan.

I started watching cycling much earlier than you and my cycling heros you probably have never heard of, all Spaniards by the way, all dopers.

By the time Armstorng was winning his Tours de France my interest in the sport was already minimal.

In fact, since the Festina affair, my only interest in the sport has been its doping issues. And yes, I conffess that at the time, I wanted to believe that Delgado and Indurain were clean. So I have also learned my lessons.

 

[airstream]

Genuine hellhound. If Contador had really wanted to show he's clean he wouldn't cried and sweared that he's allegedly clean — he would have just begun to lay out his blood values after every mountain stage. Why doesnt he do this? It's obviously 'cos any key stage is followed by fluctuation of hematocrit by 3-4 points. Hell. What a moronic guy.

 

[airstream]

Where do we sign?

I don't know. I'm not familiar with the petition procedure in Western Europe and US. Probably, you might help me.

Funny. I read a article as late as yesterday where Andy S, rider of the Bruyneel-led Radioshack-Nissan, failed to condemn Armstrong. Why didnt you respond to that message as i told you to?

Oh, i guess you have much other things in your mind. Like F Schleck.

One can try to substantiate any delirium like protection of doping in Contador's case only then a substantiation turns out to be delirious too.

Andy said to strip the title is legitimate and deservedly.