Contador and Spanish cycling

[Albatros]

Contador again comes out to bootlick Armstrong and the doping culture. I have been a big fan of Spanish cycling over the years, from Heras to Mayo to Contador, but I am disgusted with them and Spanish sports in general. I've defended and praised Contador here, time and time again. No longer.

They've all shown themselves to be complete frauds, fully invested in the culture of doping and omerta.

What is he supposed to do, attack someone for doing exactly the same as him? That is left for other cultures who deal with their own cheating in a different manner, being the biggest hypocrites of all and condemning something that they also did or are doing themselves.
I have a big F U to all those.

 

[ebandit]

dopeador

no surprises from alberto

but i'm shocked at the gullability of his fans.....................excusing his

doping as long as the racing is exciting...............not caring a xxxx

for the health and well being of the riders

 

[Albatros]

no surprises from alberto

but i'm shocked at the gullability of his fans.....................excusing his

doping as long as the racing is exciting...............not caring a xxxx

for the health and well being of the riders

I am not condoning doping at all, but since when is it healthy to do a Tour de France a l'eau?

Professional sport is unhealthy by definition and cycling at this level is simply inhuman. That's why they have resorted to anything they could get their hands on to survive the rigours of a three week race.

 

[aphronesis]

Of course we understand this. But we (or at least I) are frustrated because they still think coming out with this crap is a good idea, which has some very ugly implications: 1) doping culture in the Spanish peloton hasn't moved one inch since 1998, so they don't feel even the tiniest bit of guilt about doping and lying; 2) the Spanish media are still totally complicit, because the riders don't even have to sugarcoat or hide their true feelings in public, as they know no one who matters to them will call them out; 3) they keep feeding us the same BS about the new era, when they're proud of being at least 2 or 3 eras behind.

Why should they feel guilt? Should they exhibit the same insipid catharsis claimed by Tyler, Z and even Levi? Maybe they didn't experience the same dysfunctional formations.

 

[Benotti69]

I am not condoning doping at all, but since when is it healthy to do a Tour de France a l'eau?

Professional sport is unhealthy by definition and cycling at this level is simply inhuman. That's why they have resorted to anything they could get their hands on to survive the rigours of a three week race.

If that isn't condoning doping then nothing can!

They need to dope to the detriment of their health to survive a race? hahahaha!

 

[hrotha]

Why should they feel guilt? Should they exhibit the same insipid catharsis claimed by Tyler, Z and even Levi? Maybe they didn't experience the same dysfunctional formations.

I expect most decent people to develop some guilt over lying to pretty much everybody for years, including friends, family and their most sincere and passionate fans.

 

[Benotti69]

Why should they feel guilt? Should they exhibit the same insipid catharsis claimed by Tyler, Z and even Levi? Maybe they didn't experience the same dysfunctional formations.

Maybe they are narcisstic sociopaths and greatly identify with disgraced former cyclist Armstrong.

 

[aphronesis]

I expect most decent people to develop some guilt over lying to pretty much everybody for years, including friends, family and their most sincere and passionate fans.

That's plausible, but you don't really know who they've lied to, nor the stake those people put in those statements.

 

[ebandit]

gullability

I am not condoning doping at all, but since when is it healthy to do a Tour de France a l'eau?

Professional sport is unhealthy by definition and cycling at this level is simply inhuman. That's why they have resorted to anything they could get their hands on to survive the rigours of a three week race.

your idea 'riding a tour on bread and water alone is inhuman' is nothing

more than a myth created by dopers to excuse their actions

remember life is unhealthy..................we're all doomed!

 

[Arnout]

That's one spin you can put on it. I doubt very much if Benson had any intention of going Paxman on the Hog, and why not just DM it?

It makes Benson sound like a teenage Justin Bieber fan.

He's clearly trolling

Johan Bruyneel @JohanBruyneel 3 u
@dnlbenson - i feel absolutely zero need for that, Daniel.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Most of the stuff he said are actually true
Maybe you should just think before pouncing on any rider who does not criticise armstrong

Nothing he said is true. Wow, Contador fanboys now find Armstrong to be a legitimate champion...hmmm...I wonder if there is an ulterior motive for that stance now?

Don't answer, it's obvious.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Overreacting much

What dlwssonic said

What dlwssonic said was complete bull****.

Lack of critical thinking much?

 

[LaFlorecita]

False.

Armstrong was not lynched. He was investigated by the appropriate agency, found guilty of doping and conspiracy to dope, and punished within the rules. That's not a lynching.

I started following pro cycling and the Tour in the era of Greg LeMond, America's only TdF champion. Lance's drug fuel era has been a turnoff.

It's how Alberto sees it. Assuming that what he says is really what he sees then it's the truth. He didn't say that that's how it is, he says that's how he sees it. It's his opinion. You don't have to agree.

 

[Deagol]

There really isn't too much difference between Contador and Armstrong anymore.

Intentional never-die fans of either of these two are a part of the problem. Anyone who hold the distinction of being an idiot and wearing it as a badge of honor.

Yes, you know who you are....

 

[ChewbaccaD]

In the pro road cycling sub forum Contador is treated like a god
But in the clinic he is so hated

I'd be embarrassed by that too if I were you.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I do see it that way. Alberto understands Italian pretty well I've seen in interviews and his English has improved massively. How do you think he communicates with his team if his English is non-existant?

I'm sure he speaks Doping fluently too...

 

[samerics]

I am not condoning doping at all, but since when is it healthy to do a Tour de France a l'eau?

Professional sport is unhealthy by definition and cycling at this level is simply inhuman. That's why they have resorted to anything they could get their hands on to survive the rigours of a three week race.

Utter nonsense. What about clean riders? What about the guy who has the morality to race with just his natural talents and a good team keeping within the rules? LeMond is generally accepted to have been clean as a whistle, he won three Tours before blood doping, guys like him were cheated when EPO and blood doping came along. Pathetic excuses. Let them race slower, I'll still watch it and get more satisfaction than seeing a huge guy clmbing in the big ring sat in the saddle, or a guy riding away liked he's got a motor on his bike. Give me clean racing, stop making excuses for cheats like Contador and Armstrong.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm sure Alpuerto Clentador will be ****ed when Lance pawns that Rolex he gave him!

 

[samerics]

I'm not a Clinic paranoiac, I try to keep a balance, I believe the Cadel is probably clean, hell I even believe in Wiggins (flame away...), but the point is that I despise the denial of so many riders, I'm incredibly disappointed in Indurain for what he said, and McQuaid should lose his job right now. His response against the whistleblowers has been utterly despicable, get rid of him now, mealy mouthed crook. Really angry at the moment.

 

[No_Balls]

It's like they are all happy with the current arrangement and afraid that if the peloton was clean(er) that it would be their own performance that would suffer the most.

Thats probably more in line with your own thinking. In fact it would be pretty typical if so.

It rather is the governing body who earns huge money on creating stars and lining up winners hence they turn a blind eye in what way this money is earned. Does it sounds familiar perhaps?

 

[aphronesis]

Maybe they are narcisstic sociopaths and greatly identify with disgraced former cyclist Armstrong.

Maybe, you might put away the Brian Wilson records and find that life is slighly more complex than that.

 

[Albatros]

Utter nonsense. What about clean riders? What about the guy who has the morality to race with just his natural talents and a good team keeping within the rules? LeMond is generally accepted to have been clean as a whistle, he won three Tours before blood doping, guys like him were cheated when EPO and blood doping came along. Pathetic excuses. Let them race slower, I'll still watch it and get more satisfaction than seeing a huge guy clmbing in the big ring sat in the saddle, or a guy riding away liked he's got a motor on his bike. Give me clean racing, stop making excuses for cheats like Contador and Armstrong.

Lemond did dope. It is too big of an anomaly that only one Tour de France winner was not on the dope in spite of him being American.

And I challenge you to name another clean rider who won the Tour.

What I find really amusing is Lemond going on the offensive when he worked with, was treated by, and competed with dopers, everywhere he went. Doping was as much part of parcel of cycling as it is today, and our candid American gets into the middle of the war zone without hearing any shooting until six years into the war, and that to justify that he had been beaten.

How can you trust someone talking such ********?

Actually that was his modus operandi, using the excuse of doping and or rare illnesses to justify his failures and to exalt his success

And you lot buy his story.

Using steroids will help tremendously on a three week race.

Greg Lemond



......And our Greg beat them all.



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[ontheroad]

The noises coming from Froome and Wiggins are much more critical of LA and doping culture than the Spanish riders. I think Contador is a weak character who is afraid of his sxxxe of Armstrong and what might be revealed about him in future. Ditto Indurain.

 

[rhubroma]

Maybe, you might put away the Brian Wilson records and find that life is slighly more complex than that.

Indeed, but the Beach Boys are more complex than meets the eye.

 

[aphronesis]

Indeed, but the Beach Boys are more complex than meets the eye.

Never in doubt, but said poster's eye is largely preoccupied by a monocular stare. So go the posts; no evidence to think musical appreciation would exceed that.