Contador and Spanish cycling

[Le Baroudeur]

The problem is that the general thrust of his opinion does not seem to be "cycling does more than any other sport, that's great, let's do everything we can to get rid of doping", but rather "cycling does more than any other sport, so I don't know what the fuss is about or why people think there's a problem".

From what I have read, his opinion is he is against doping, but where there is pro sport there are drugs, and as a sponsor he is limited in what he can do to prevent it. He goes on to suggest that any other claim is hypocrasy. He states he would love drug free sport but can't change the whole sport, and that that is a job for the IOC and the sports governors.

Most of his comentry was in response of the crusade (yes this Swedish owned paper likes to rip apart Danish athletes for what ever reason) by BT who also have a financial stake in sales of Hamiltons book, and pay Hamilton for comentary.

He rightly points out the papers financial interests, and their focus on doping being toward cycling only.

 

[Grandillusion]

From what I have read, his opinion is he is against doping, but where there is pro sport there are drugs, and as a sponsor he is limited in what he can do to prevent it. He goes on to suggest that any other claim is hypocrasy. He states he would love drug free sport but can't change the whole sport, and that that is a job for the IOC and the sports governors.

Most of his comentry was in response of the crusade (yes this Swedish owned paper likes to rip apart Danish athletes for what ever reason) by BT who also have a financial stake in sales of Hamiltons book, and pay Hamilton for comentary.

He rightly points out the papers financial interests, and their focus on doping being toward cycling only.

As a sponsor he most certainly is not limited in what he can do. For starters he could ring Jamie Fuller and offer his wholehearted support and get on board the CCN change-train.

Instead he is making, whatever you might think, dismissive and IMO insulting and crass statements about "exaggerated" media focus on cycling.

Now is not the time for statements like that, can't you see that?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Be careful there better talk nice about Bjarne&Berto from now on

Please remember that all points of view are welcome in this forum.

Susan

 

[silverrocket]

The problem is that the general thrust of his opinion does not seem to be "cycling does more than any other sport, that's great, let's do everything we can to get rid of doping", but rather "cycling does more than any other sport, so I don't know what the fuss is about or why people think there's a problem".

I think you are putting a lot of words into Tinkoff's mouth. If you want to quote him from other interviews where he expresses such a "there is no problem" opinion, that would be valuable here, but he said no such things in the specific interview in question.

As for what he did NOT say, I think it is unfair to expect every person in the cycling industry to have to make an anti-doping statement in every interview. It makes me weary to hear a doping question in every interview, it must be exhausting to have to answer them in every interview.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think you are putting a lot of words into Tinkoff's mouth. If you want to quote him from other interviews where he expresses such a "there is no problem" opinion, that would be valuable here, but he said no such things in the specific interview in question.

As for what he did NOT say, I think it is unfair to expect every person in the cycling industry to have to make an anti-doping statement in every interview. It makes me weary to hear a doping question in every interview, it must be exhausting to have to answer them in every interview.

Not sure that excuses his dismmisisve statements: as a team sponsor he has a certain responsibility, and the blase slant of his statements is well out of kilter with the current mood amongst fans and media. Not to mention cycling itself, with applications flying in for membership of Movement for Credible Cycling and CCN.

And hugely disrespectful of Argus-Shimano

 

[hrotha]

I think you are putting a lot of words into Tinkoff's mouth. If you want to quote him from other interviews where he expresses such a "there is no problem" opinion, that would be valuable here, but he said no such things in the specific interview in question.

As for what he did NOT say, I think it is unfair to expect every person in the cycling industry to have to make an anti-doping statement in every interview. It makes me weary to hear a doping question in every interview, it must be exhausting to have to answer them in every interview.

You're right, he didn't say that in any interview. That's my own inference based largely on what Hamilton said about him. I don't trust him. I don't think he's being straightforward.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Please remember that all points of view are welcome in this forum.

Susan

Yea maybe I wasn't completely serious but oh well I should have known the mods would jump at me like they always do

 

[sacrifice&hardwork]

Please remember that all points of view are welcome in this forum.

Susan

Interesting you say that^^ does it also mean all off topic postings are welcome since I don't know what Oleg Tinkoff (who is Russian) has to do with Spanish Cycling or Contador and the fact that Tinkoff sponsors his team doesn't justify all of the previous talk on Tinkoff statement in this forum or would you care to explain how it works ?

And yes this is off topic I know

 

[Le Baroudeur]

You're right, he didn't say that in any interview. That's my own inference based largely on what Hamilton said about him. I don't trust him. I don't think he's being straightforward.

Ahh gotcha...

So you won't mind then if I use the mumblings of a similarly nefarious serial doper and liar as a justification to misrepresent statements by other personalities in cycling?

 

[Grandillusion]

Interesting you say that^^ does it also mean all off topic postings are welcome since I don't know what Oleg Tinkoff (who is Russian) has to do with Spanish Cycling or Contador and the fact that Tinkoff sponsors his team doesn't justify all of the previous talk on Tinkoff statement in this forum or would you care to explain how it works ?

And yes this is off topic I know

This is the clinic. The Contador and Spanish cycling thread relates to doping. Tinkoff sponsor's his team as you say. Tinkoff has made what some see as rather poorly timed (to put it mildly) comments regarding doping in the sport. He has simultaneously made it plain he thinks Alberto is the bees knees, when others may see him as a dodgy character in a dodgy national doping culture.

So none of this comment has really been "off-topic" at all. IMO

 

[Le Baroudeur]

This is the clinic. The Contador and Spanish cycling thread relates to doping. Tinkoff sponsor's his team as you say. Tinkoff has made what some see as rather poorly timed (to put it mildly) comments regarding doping in the sport. He has simultaneously made it plain he thinks Alberto is the bees knees, when others may see him as a dodgy character in a dodgy national doping culture.

So none of this comment has really been "off-topic" at all. IMO

Have you actually read the full transcript yet?

 

[Grandillusion]

I think you are putting a lot of words into Tinkoff's mouth. If you want to quote him from other interviews where he expresses such a "there is no problem" opinion, that would be valuable here, but he said no such things in the specific interview in question.

As for what he did NOT say, I think it is unfair to expect every person in the cycling industry to have to make an anti-doping statement in every interview. It makes me weary to hear a doping question in every interview, it must be exhausting to have to answer them in every interview.

You seem to have a lot of sympathy with a poor exhausted Tinkoff. I sympathise with the awful weariness you feel at having to endure listening to this constant media intrusion.

Any expressions of sympathy with, say, Paul Kimmage or Greg LeMond, who may be feeling a little "weary" now too?

 

[Grandillusion]

Have you actually read the full transcript yet?

I've read the CN news item and the links they provided to the interview.

Is there another, less damning, transcript? I'd like to read it, if you could provide a link I'd be grateful.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Back on topic. Now. TAke the Tinkoff stuff to another thread. Now.

Susan

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Interesting you say that^^ does it also mean all off topic postings are welcome since I don't know what Oleg Tinkoff (who is Russian) has to do with Spanish Cycling or Contador and the fact that Tinkoff sponsors his team doesn't justify all of the previous talk on Tinkoff statement in this forum or would you care to explain how it works ?

And yes this is off topic I know

Of course off-topic discussion is not allowed. But we have said thousands of times that the mods are not online 24/7 and do not read every posting in every thread.

We rely on the users to let us know when action is needed. And no one has reported this thread......so I only now saw it.

Next time feel free to report things to a mod, rather than making snide comments about their work.


Susan

 

[Grandillusion]

Of course off-topic discussion is not allowed. But we have said thousands of times that the mods are not online 24/7 and do not read every posting in every thread.

We rely on the users to let us know when action is needed. And no one has reported this thread......so I only now saw it.

Next time feel free to report things to a mod, rather than making snide comments about their work.


Susan

No Susan, you saw this thread when you admonished LaFlorecita, and must therefore have been totally aware of the direction of flow of conversation, so that's a little disingenuous.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

No, I don't go through and read all. I usually just look at the last page.

Susan

 

[Grandillusion]

No, I don't go through and read all. I usually just look at the last page.

Susan

Oh, ok. Apologies then.

 

[del1962]

Does Jose Pepe Marti still work with Alberto?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Does Jose Pepe Marti still work with Alberto?

No Alberto stopped working with him in 2011

 

[frenchfry]

No Alberto stopped working with him in 2011

So who is his dealer since then?

 

[el_peras]

So who is his dealer since then?

Christophe Lemaitre's one

 

[frenchfry]

Christophe Lemaitre's one

At least he is using one of the best, though he would probably be better off with Usain Bolt's dealer.

 

[del1962]

Contador has to pay 10% of UCI and WADA expenses in CAS case, what is the 10% ruling?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador has to pay 10% of UCI and WADA expenses in CAS case, what is the 10% ruling?

I have no idea but I think it's a complete farce, he shouldn't be paying anything. 75000 is still way too much and what if he also has to pay the 70% of salary/2500000 fine