Contador on Eurosport

[hrotha]

+1 to the bolded part.

anyway, Floyd mentioned in the TV interview that he used to buy his dope from the guy who is now AC's manager (or his doctor? don't remember exactly).

Ah yes, I forgot that.

And of course there's also WADA's protected witness.

 

[Cloxxki]

Thought experiment.

Contador's greatest fangirl wins a meet & greet with her hero, the most awesomess of cycling stars. It's not like a handshake and VIP buffet, but actual one-on-one training ride together. No other people, no press.
Contador shows sincere interest in his top fan's life. He only knows the other side of cycling. Wonders what goes through the minds of avid fangirls like her. A normal human interest.
The conversation comes on bad press the rider has received over the past years, and how moch energy the fangirl invests in fighting for her hero (and in her heart best friend and big brother). She asks him what she can say to take on the army of "haters" all by herself. And how to deal with all the facts and theories she's being subjected to, all trying to eat away her blind faith. How healthy is it to have absolute blind faith in someone your admire and care for so dearly? I cannot ignore the badmouthing, now can I? I defend my everyday life and family with the same passion, I see no other way. But it's hard. What should I do?
The great champion looks her in the eye, they need to watch the road though. He's obviously searching for the right words. He's not a bad person, no-one truly thinks that, but he cares for the respect he received from the naive fangirl, and doesn't want to have her go through sorrow because of her blind dedication, and his own actions. The words come out with a broken voice, although they've all but come to a halt now. "Dear Flor, I've just met you, but I cannot but reciprocate your respect, trust and devotion. It's strange, but you already feel like a sister to me. You probably know how I am with my family. I cannot lie to someone like you. Perhaps you better focus your interest my the racing itself, also that of other, I am not the only rider, not even the only Spanish pro. There are some dark truths about cycling, and even in The Clinic, which I do read almost daily, they don't know the half of it. I chose to be a pro rider, it was that or being a butcher help for the rest of my life. With the decision, the money and fame, came some small print which weighs very heavily on my heart. Sometimes I can't sleep from it. Floyd couldn't handle it anymore, and he's not the only one. For now, I continue to hold my promises I made to the professional side of the sport. But, it's hard, so hard. I don't want to lose your respect, but I would understand it, and still I would respect you allthesame. Sorry *snif*, that's all I am ready to say right now, hope you understand...". That's when they roll into the street of a sponsor affililiate bike shops, where they had started their ride several hours earlier. The great rider dives into his car, starts to freshen up and get changed, anyone can see he wants to be alone right now. The fangirl can barely get the words out to thank the shop manager for the nice bike she was allowed to demo. Kindly declines the press photographer asking her to have her picture taken once more.

 

[Biggut]

That's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying that everyone's opinion should be respected no matter how popular or realistic that opinion is.

Then will you kindly respect my opinion that he is a cheat from a country that refuses to deal with it's cheats in any meaningful way and buried the other cheats in other sports that I love rather than admit that their success is based on systematic cheating.

 

[LaFlorecita]

How can every opinion be respected when you have people with blind faith and bias when discussing Contador. That is making their judgement flawed.

Oh yes because of course I can't look at things objectively.

 

[LaFlorecita]

like hrotha said, do we really have to respect people who claim the world is flat?
start reading some books perhaps, or even a newspaper would do. grow out of your cocon. (i know, that's alot to ask at once)

Guess what, I read the newspaper every day. Shocker.

What do you want me to do? Should I all of a sudden start criticising Alberto? Should I say that he's a filthy doper? Yeah that would look good on me, changing my opinion just because everyone tells me to.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I also think refusing to acknowledge what should be obvious doesn't make you a better fan. It just makes you deluded.

I don't refuse to acknowledge to obvious, I just don't see the obvious.

If you can't support the guy for what he actually is, what's the point?

Are you saying that I should support him because he's a doper?

I support him because I like him as a rider and as a person. I don't support him because he's a clean rider.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Bwa ha ha ha. Nice trolling. It is not opinion anymore if he doped. He went through a mighty expensive appeal process and is suspended.

Officially, he is not suspended for doping.

Past a certain fraction of percentage, there is no more opinion if one thinks of a reasonable person. So, you are either unreasonable, or trollllllllling

Okay, I guess I am unreasonable then.

Not to worry, you can vomit love all over the forum in how ever many days AC Dopador returns. Until he gets suspended again

Oh yeah that is so going to happen.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No, LaFlorecita, it isn't so. That's impossible to respect every opinion, otherwise one would have had to respect any stupidity any nonsense.

Okay, whatever you want. I don't need your respect.

Moreover, no one agrees with you that he didn't dope.

Loool! Yeah right, dream on. Maybe on this forum, but in the entire world? No chance.

You just try to hide all that behind the veil of obscurity. He vastly doped and eventually we couldn't have known anything if the info hadn't turned out to be in hands of German press by chance. It was a real miracle. We can only guess how many times before positive tests could be swept under the carpet.

Okay. It is your opinion he doped. Don't state it as the truth.

 

[LaFlorecita]

+1 to the bolded part.

anyway, Floyd mentioned in the TV interview that he used to buy his dope from the guy who is now AC's manager (or his doctor? don't remember exactly).

I don't get what's so great about that part. Just to clarify, I'll continue to support him even if it comes out that he doped. Just because I don't think he doped doesn't mean I just hold onto that thought because I want to continue to like and support him... My support for him and my opinion on his case are two totally independent things.

 

[LaFlorecita]

To add to that, his interviews are boring and have no interest at all. The guy is dull but looks impressive on a mountain, chemicals or not.

Lol what does it matter how interesting he is? He's a great cyclist and a great person. Ask any fan why they like him and those are the answers you'll get. I've yet to encounter someone that doesn't like him just because he's boring. I don't think he is, by the way.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Florecita, would you please calm down?

And just out of curiosity, if he is not banned for doping (violations of the anti-doping regulations), what is he banned for?

Susan

 

[LaFlorecita]

Florecita, would you please calm down?

And just out of curiosity, if he is not banned for doping (violations of the anti-doping regulations), what is he banned for?

Susan

I am incredibly calm.

He's banned for exactly that. I guess it depends on what you see as doping.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thought experiment.

...

A meet & greet, that would be so awesome.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Officially he is suspended because of a contaminated food supplement.

Exactly.

Again you are in denial. The allegations against Contador are as long as my arm. You say he is a nice person but you don`t know him personally so stop talking about it. We on this forum are interested in a rider`s racing and in the clinic with regards to a rider`s doping.

And I am interested in a rider's racing and how nice they come across (careful wording).

I am not in denial. I just stated a fact, namely, that officially he is not suspended for doping.

When you say he is a nice person I think that is a cop out and a tactic to try and deflect from his doping offence.

That's not true. I'm just trying to make clear the reasons why I like him.

What I would like to know is would you criticise if you knew 100%(I am 100% certain) that he doped?

No I wouldn't. Because as I said many times before, I don't care if he doped. I like him for other reasons.

 

[Cloxxki]

A meet & greet, that would be so awesome.

Not sure you've read until the end.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not sure you've read until the end.

Don't worry

 

[hrotha]

Are you saying that I should support him because he's a doper?

No, I'm saying you should support him despite his being a doper, or not support him at all. But you have to face the facts. A doper he is.

I support him because I like him as a rider and as a person. I don't support him because he's a clean rider.

Then why do you insist on denying the obvious against all evidence?

 

[LaFlorecita]

No, I'm saying you should support him despite his being a doper, or not support him at all. But you have to face the facts. A doper he is.

So if it is apparently certain he doped I don't see the problem? Because I am supporting him, so I'm supporting him even though he is a doper.

Then why do you insist on denying the obvious against all evidence?

1) Because I want to believe in his innocence.
2) Because I don't want gooner and others to attack me because according to them liking a doper is a "bad attitude" etc.

 

[hrotha]

So if it is apparently certain he doped I don't see the problem? Because I am supporting him, so I'm supporting him even though he is a doper.

Because you don't acknowledge he's a doper, and because you consistently attack those who say he's a doper.

1) Because I want to believe in his innocence.
2) Because I don't want gooner and others to attack me because according to them liking a doper is a "bad attitude" etc.

Wow, both are terrible reasons.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Because you don't acknowledge he's a doper, and because you consistently attack those who say he's a doper.

Indeed. I don't understand why that's such a problem, though. I mean, by now it should be clearly I'm hopeless.

Wow, both are terrible reasons.

I know. But the other reasons, the ones I've listed a thousand times already, weren't such a success either.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Where I strongly disagree with you is that you have said that you don`t care if he doped and then spin everything to make him out to be a victim. What kind of attitude is that. You have no interest in trying make this sport as clean as possible if you think that way.

Again Contador`s best interests over cycling`s best interests is what serves you best.

Thanks for showing hrotha exactly what I mean.

I'm not even going to argue anymore. Call me whatever you want. The only thing I want is to see Alberto race.

 

[burning]

I didnt read whole CAS verdict but I think its like:
"We are not sure that he doped but his meat excuse was lame and he is responsible for everything in his body so we have to ban him"

Feel free to correct me if this is wrong

 

[LaFlorecita]

I didnt read whole CAS verdict but I think its like:
"We are not sure that he doped but his meat excuse was lame and he is responsible for everything in his body so we have to ban him"

Feel free to correct me if this is wrong

No it was: the contaminated meat theory and the transfusion theory are equally unlikely, namely very unlikely. The contaminated supplement theory is the most likely. But because Alberto had to show on balance of probabilities that contaminated was the most likely cause, he got banned.

 

[airstream]

Okay, whatever you want. I don't need your respect.

It has nothing to do with me. As for your respect I can clearly judge by some your inadequate uncultured replies so if I were you I would be more careful using this term. I was just expressing the opinion of overwhelming majority. Contador is the man with a comprehensive doping background. OP + the 2007 Tour de France as a culmination of doping era, when riders climbed with a speed of squirrels jumping from on tree to another, also couldn't be overcome without doping. Besides, he was caught in action in 2010 as a logical outcome of his doping practice. Was anyone surprised? Absolutely not.

Okay. It is your opinion he doped. Don't state it as the truth.

Should I state it like what?

 

[Hugh Januss]

This kind of blind loyalty is part of the reason some women stay in abusive relationships.