Contador on Eurosport

[LaFlorecita]

With regards Contador being on Eurosport. I'm not sure if getting a convicted doper, currently serving a ban, to commentate is sending out quite the right message. Of course if we prevent any former cyclist who doped from commentating it would aslo be a probelm!

We must not forget Alberto isn't a "convicted doper", rather a "convicted unlucky person".

 

[SirLes]

We must not forget Alberto isn't a "convicted doper", rather a "convicted unlucky person".

The jails of the world are full of people whose only crime was to be "unlucky"!

 

[Cloxxki]

We must not forget Alberto isn't a "convicted doper", rather a "convicted unlucky person".

Would you like that with a side dish of human feces, or do you prefer a bowl of sh!t? No matter what you call it, you know what you're going to get is not going to be very attractive.

 

[doolols]

Well, this is interesting. Tell me then, why are you constantly hating on him?

Errr ... I'm not. Like I keep saying. If you're not going to listen, then I'm not going to waste my time repeatedly telling you.

Now, let's assume he did not dope. I think we can safely say he's pretty successful as a cyclist. Conclusion: Without doping, he would either be just as successful as he is now, or a bit less, but still a great cyclist. So: he doesn't need doping for fame, money and wins.

This is funny. "Let's assume he doesn't dope ... look, he wins races. Therefore he's successful. QED.

That is, if we assume that he is the only one doping among the best cyclists. If he is doping, and the others are doping as well

What? You're contradicting yourself now.

"Probably better, on occasions, than the other cyclists he was racing against."
You could've left out "probably" and "on occasions".

No. He doesn't win every race he enters. Therefore, sometimes, he's not as good as other riders. I hope this fact doesn't come as a shock to you. It sounds like it might be.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

This is turning out to be

thread.

 

[Ripper]

Rules are rules ...

That is correct. Alberto broke them. Fought it quite long and hard, but in the end, it was determined he broke them.

Just remember the reasoning of Alberto's team...

A team of lawyers is always right

Sigh... Just admit it... There's nothing wrong with being a hater... Don't act as if all your hatred towards him is just the result of his positive.

Hey, it does not look like many people are drinking the hateraide, Bertie is not Pharmstrong. You seem to have created a mental framework where anyone who thinks ACD doped is a hater. Or you are trolling.

 

[Ripper]

Would you like that with a side dish of human feces, or do you prefer a bowl of sh!t? No matter what you call it, you know what you're going to get is not going to be very attractive.

I just about puked from laughing so hard. Unfortunately, that is a very colourful comment!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The jails of the world are full of people whose only crime was to be "unlucky"!

Like this one?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Errr ... I'm not. Like I keep saying. If you're not going to listen, then I'm not going to waste my time repeatedly telling you.

Okay, whatever. Apparently you don't see it as hating, but I do.

This is funny. "Let's assume he doesn't dope ... look, he wins races. Therefore he's successful. QED.

Who says he would not win races without doping?

What? You're contradicting yourself now.

No I'm not. The first sentence indicates that the part above it are based on the assumption that he's the only one doping. The latter, indicates that there is also a possibility that the other riders are doping too.

No. He doesn't win every race he enters. Therefore, sometimes, he's not as good as other riders. I hope this fact doesn't come as a shock to you. It sounds like it might be.

When you say "probably better, on occasions" that makes me think that Alberto's only better in 5% of the races and that even in those races it isn't certain he's better.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That is correct. Alberto broke them. Fought it quite long and hard, but in the end, it was determined he broke them.

Actually, that was determined right away

A team of lawyers is always right

Lol that's not even what I said. I was only trying to show that by taking sideways you can avoid being punished. It has worked many times before, unfortunately Alberto didn't have such luck.

Hey, it does not look like many people are drinking the hateraide, Bertie is not Pharmstrong. You seem to have created a mental framework where anyone who thinks ACD doped is a hater. Or you are trolling.

HAHAHAHA! Lol that is so funny. 90% of the Clinic hate him, wait, what do I say, 95%. The rest is neutral, and then there is only one person (Me! Me!) that actually likes him. One person, okay?

Edit: And Hitch, when he drops by.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Would you like that with a side dish of human feces, or do you prefer a bowl of sh!t? No matter what you call it, you know what you're going to get is not going to be very attractive.

There is a significant difference. One indicates he is a doper, the other indicates he isn't. Therefore your comparison does not hold much water.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Alberto Contador ‏ @albertocontador
Buenos dias,empezando el dia a las 7 para pasar control antidoping.Good morning, starting the day to pass a doping control at 7.

 

[Cloxxki]

There is a significant difference. One indicates he is a doper, the other indicates he isn't. Therefore your comparison does not hold much water.

You're holding on to a pretty way to descibe his status. Truth is what it is, no-one can change that. Not ever your heart-felt wish to do so. Go complain with Alpuerto that he's proving a hero status unworthy, not with those who consider him the omerta keeping doper that he is.

 

[Swifty's Cakes]

Actually, that was determined right away



Lol that's not even what I said. I was only trying to show that by taking sideways you can avoid being punished. It has worked many times before, unfortunately Alberto didn't have such luck.



HAHAHAHA! Lol that is so funny. 90% of the Clinic hate him, wait, what do I say, 95%. The rest is neutral, and then there is only one person (Me! Me!) that actually likes him. One person, okay?

Edit: And Hitch, when he drops by.

Actually I think most people on here like bertie and are disappointed his achievements are tainted. There are some who are zero tolerance to doping and are more criticial but in general he's popular. Look at the pro racing forum, schleck gets a depreciation thread while bertie gets return of the king. I know that isnt the clinic, but its indicative of the general attitude towards him.

 

[airstream]

Actually I think most people on here like bertie and are disappointed his achievements are tainted. There are some who are zero tolerance to doping and are more criticial but in general he's popular. Look at the pro racing forum, schleck gets a depreciation thread while bertie gets return of the king. I know that isnt the clinic, but its indicative of the general attitude towards him.

I don't think so. Many people do everything possible not to face with this fact. I'm sure if Contador had got banned with a transfusion justification, some would have said that the case was cooked up or something like that. People don't need the truth, they need an object of worship.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

'...'90% of the Clinic hate him, wait, what do I say, 95%. The rest is neutral, and then there is only one person (Me! Me!) that actually likes him.'...'

Wow, persecution delusion AND a claim of exclusive personal affinity. I think it's time to dial the stalking back a bit. Seriously.

 

[doolols]

It seems Bertie isn't the only one being welcomed by Eurosport.

Jan Ullrich has a new blog on the Yahoo Eurosport website:

>> click <<

There is no denying that several doping cases in cycling in recent years have hurt. I too have made mistakes. But I finished with my own case, after years of despair, depression and physical problems finally.
This is my way, even if it is not understood by all. However, I ask them to respect. I leave it to each individual user, whether he and she thinks that I have deserved a second chance.
The cycling has lost nothing of its fascination. There are many young drivers who will not suffer from the mistakes of the old generation. You've earned it, we cheer with them!

 

[Havetts]

It seems Bertie isn't the only one being welcomed by Eurosport.

Jan Ullrich has a new blog on the Yahoo Eurosport website:

>> click <<

Then again, Ullrich has admitted it. Admitted he was wrong, that he was guilty and that he did go to Fuentes. Besides Ullrich has stopped for almost 6 years now.

 

[Caruut]

There is a significant difference. One indicates he is a doper, the other indicates he isn't. Therefore your comparison does not hold much water.

One indicates that the court felt it would not endanger the ruling to call him a doper. The other indicates that whatever the true opinion of the court, if they called him a doper and he managed to prove that they had insufficient evidence to make that specific claim, then it jeopardise the entire expensive case with no appreciable difference in outcomes.

It is a pact with the devil - in order to ensure that his team of ****holes (also known as lawyers) don't get a chance to facetiously attack the ruling, they have to word it very carefully. Ultimately Contador broke the rules on having clenbuterol. Doesn't make me a hater just because I'm not deluded enough to think that he should somehow get away with breaking the rules because he's such a nice, pretty boy.

For what it's worth, I think he's the most naturally talented GT rider since LeMond. On the subject of him winning races without doping - his development followed the profile of a GT rider of 25 or more years ago. He was strong from an early age, and performed well from his first GT. That is the pattern that the pre-EPO riders followed - Hinault, LeMond and Fignon were the last 3 greats to look like this. It is a pattern that Riis and Armstrong turned on its head. So, I think it likely he would be a very strong rider clean. As has been said before though, one of the horrible things about doping is that we'll never know.

 

[Ripper]

Lol that's not even what I said. I was only trying to show that by taking sideways you can avoid being punished. It has worked many times before, unfortunately Alberto didn't have such luck.

It is sad when you want to take things "sideways" and are considered unlucky when you are correctly determined guilty.

HAHAHAHA! Lol that is so funny. 90% of the Clinic hate him, wait, what do I say, 95%. The rest is neutral, and then there is only one person (Me! Me!) that actually likes him. One person, okay?

Edit: And Hitch, when he drops by.

Interesting. Perhaps you perceive that when others call him a name because of a positive doping test they "hate" him. That is a somewhat simplistic view of the world, don't you think?

People get frustrated and angry with these types of situations. Take Contador and Valverde for example. I was quite frustrated by the appeals, counter-appeal, and total time the cases took to resolve. It was upsetting to my values that they were guilty but still riding and fighting the case. I will admit to being jaded by the history of riders who pop a positive, fight it tooth and nail, and in the end are still found to be undeniably guilty. Hamilton or Landis anyone? I thought their cases were also both drawn out and maddening, so it is not like I focus on one rider or country. However, once the rider has served whatever sanction given, I am cool with them coming back. Valverde is back and I quite enjoy watching him race.

Of course, if it so upsetting for you to see folks in the clinic call Bertie names, or you want to hold the fixed belief that he is "hated", then don't waste your time reading and posting on those particular threads. It seems most unproductive and dysfunctional. Or perhaps you are simply trolling because you are bored. Take your pick

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alberto Contador ‏ @albertocontador
Buenos dias,empezando el dia a las 7 para pasar control antidoping.Good morning, starting the day to pass a doping control at 7.

Also Jesus at 6.30.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You're holding on to a pretty way to descibe his status. Truth is what it is, no-one can change that. Not ever your heart-felt wish to do so. Go complain with Alpuerto that he's proving a hero status unworthy, not with those who consider him the omerta keeping doper that he is.

Wow, what the ****? I am the one who decides whether he's proving his hero status worthy or not. Because eventually, he's my hero, and not yours.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

So are you saying it is OK to dope because it adds to the entertainment factor of racing?

I am saying that it makes sports in general much more fun to watch yes, and I would rather have it leagalized than the joke WADA shall continue whatever they are doing...

 

[airstream]

Omg, I can't understand how one can put his own interests (even not interests, just emotions) higher than opinion of all others and cycling itself.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Actually I think most people on here like bertie and are disappointed his achievements are tainted. There are some who are zero tolerance to doping and are more criticial but in general he's popular. Look at the pro racing forum, schleck gets a depreciation thread while bertie gets return of the king. I know that isnt the clinic, but its indicative of the general attitude towards him.

There is a difference between clinic posters and regular forum posters though, because clinic posters care primarily about doping, while the others care about exciting racing.

So apparently the people I call haters are actually just disappointed. I feel sorry for them that they get disappointed so easily. Life must be hard for them.