Contador on Eurosport

[LaFlorecita]

Okay - this one is much more satisfactory - enjoy!

Alberto Contador Velasco == Bravo! clean cool road test.

Lol great.

 

[LaFlorecita]

FWIW, I think it was right he was banned. There was stuff in his system; there shouldn't have been. He broke the rules.

That's pretty superficial. It's not that simple.

Just be honest, you only think it's right because you hate him.

Having said that, I'm ambivalent on the subject of the interview. Why not? Every time I see the 'hero' Merckx on the telly, I wince. And everyone like a bad boy, no?

Oh come on. He's no serial killer or something like that. He's still free to do whatever he wants (except for racing) and as I said earlier in this thread, a lot of people do value his opinion. He's the one with the most experience when it comes to winning GTs in the current peloton and besides he's a big star. If some people have a problem with him appearing on tv, that's their problem, not Eurosport's or Alberto's.

 

[doolols]

That's pretty superficial. It's not that simple.

Well actually, yes it is. There was a rule. He broke it. He got banned.

Just be honest, you only think it's right because you hate him.

Now who's being superficial? And, for the record, I don't hate him. I think it's right that everyone who breaks the rules gets punished. That's why rules are there.

Your signature indicates that you have no credibility in the honesty stakes as far as Mr Alberto is concerned.

 

[sniper]

That's pretty superficial. It's not that simple.

Just be honest, you only think it's right because you hate him.
(...)

you're in here setting new standards of superficiality previously unknown to the clinic.

edit: sorry for being a bit harsh, but to be honest, it's thanks to apologist cycling fans like you that PEDs have a very bright future in cycling.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

you're in here setting new standards of superficiality previously unknown to the clinic.

edit: sorry for being a bit harsh, but to be honest, it's thanks to apologist cycling fans like you that PEDs have a very bright future in cycling.

yeye it is US that's is the reason they use PEDs not the millions they can earn from beeing best in their profession

 

[LaFlorecita]

you're in here setting new standards of superficiality previously unknown to the clinic.

edit: sorry for being a bit harsh, but to be honest, it's thanks to apologist cycling fans like you that PEDs have a very bright future in cycling.

Don't even worry, I'm used to you being harsh by now.

Apparently I'm an "apologist cycling fan", I don't know what to think of that... I just defend the rider I am a fan of. If that's the definition of an "apologist cycling fan" then I guess I'm exactly that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

yeye it is US that's is the reason they use PEDs not the millions they can earn from beeing best in their profession

Lol exactly what I thought. They don't care about us, they care about fame and wins and money.

 

[airstream]

repeat offender

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well actually, yes it is. There was a rule. He broke it. He got banned.

Rules are rules but there are also rules that make for a way out of the mess.

Just remember the reasoning of Alberto's team. It's all sorts of different rules put together, a few precendents and that can actually get you pretty far.

It's not as simple as "he broke the rules so he gets punished". If it were that simple this case would've been over in November 2010.

Now who's being superficial? And, for the record, I don't hate him. I think it's right that everyone who breaks the rules gets punished. That's why rules are there.

Sigh... Just admit it... There's nothing wrong with being a hater... Don't act as if all your hatred towards him is just the result of his positive.

Your signature indicates that you have no credibility in the honesty stakes as far as Mr Alberto is concerned.

If that's how you want to interpret my signature then yup, that's exactly what it indicates. That's why it's there.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So leave them cheat their way to their "fame and wins and money" and then you expect us then just to ignore it and not criticise them.

Yeah right. No chance.

Alberto did not dope until I see some incontrovertible evidence. Besides, even if Alberto did dope, he would still be a great cyclist without doping. That must be clear, even to haters like you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

repeat offender

As soon as you see a post that makes you go accompanied by an atrocious user pic you know airstream is there.

 

[Califootman]

If he wants to win the tour he might want to stay away from a race of which riders have tended to underperform at the tour in recent years.

Quite funny for a race which touts itself as ultimate preperation for the tour.

Four TdF podium spots in the last three years ain't bad, I think. Andy Schleck, who has three of those podiums, has certainly used the Tour of California as a route to later glory in France.

As the other man who rode the ToC to a TdF podium spot said... perhaps Alberto still has a lot to learn.

Seriously, Alberto should ride the ToC next year so he can put a 2011-Giroesque smackdown on the TdF field two months later! Then again, it might not work for him since his approach to non-TdF stage races differs slightly from Andy's.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just because he is a great rider means I should give him an easier ride than a poor rider who cheats.

No chance.

I see you don't understand me. That's okay, I don't even understand myself half of the time.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Four TdF podium spots in the last three years ain't bad, I think. Andy Schleck, who has three of those podiums, has certainly used the Tour of California as a route to later glory in France.

As the other man who rode the ToC to a TdF podium spot said... perhaps Alberto still has a lot to learn.

Seriously, Alberto should ride the ToC next year so he can put a 2011-Giroesque smackdown on the TdF field two months later! Then again, it might not work for him since his approach to non-TdF stage races differs slightly from Andy's.

Alberto will ride Giro-Vuelta in 2013 together with Samu.

 

[caryopsis]

Okay - this one is much more satisfactory - enjoy!

Alberto Contador Velasco == Bravo! clean cool road test.

You've inspired me...I've been trying to work one out as well - it's a little clumsy, not totally happy with it yet, but here goes:

Aero Blood Trans Velo Act.

Not sure what to do with the leftover "c," maybe a copyright symbol?

 

[LaFlorecita]

You've inspired me...I've been trying to work one out as well - it's a little clumsy, not totally happy with it yet, but here goes:

Aero Blood Trans Velo Act.

Not sure what to do with the leftover "c," maybe a copyright symbol?

I'm sure you started with the "Blood Trans"

 

[caryopsis]

I'm sure you started with the "Blood Trans"

I can only work with what I'm given...and I started with "Blood Velo," so you were close.

 

[jsem94]

Lol exactly what I thought. They don't care about us, they care about fame and wins and money.

And how does the cycling sport get its money? TV coverage, sponsors. They are dependent on fans actually watching the sport. So eventually it all comes back to the fans themselves.

I can't believe I actually had to explain that. Cyclists start disregarding the fans at their own peril.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

And how does the cycling sport get its money? TV coverage, sponsors. They are dependent on fans actually watching the sport. So eventually it all comes back to the fans themselves.

I can't believe I actually had to explain that. Cyclists start disregarding the fans at their own peril.

Doping gives a much more entertaining race, so the fanbase would get much bigger, more money for them, more entertaining for me.

Don't see the problem

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Aero Blood Trans Velo Act.
Not sure what to do with the leftover "c," maybe a copyright symbol?

No No No - leaving a c out now that is cheating

 

[jsem94]

No arguments from me about that.

In any other industry, using PEDs would be encouraged - but in sport it's discouraged. Strange how things are in the real world.

 

[doolols]

Sigh... Just admit it... There's nothing wrong with being a hater... Don't act as if all your hatred towards him is just the result of his positive.

That's the easy way out. Just call someone "A Hater", even though I have stated that I don't hate him, excuses you from any meaningful dialogue.

Alberto did not dope until I see some incontrovertible evidence.

Also known as the "stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-shout-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" defence.

Besides, even if Alberto did dope, he would still be a great cyclist without doping.

Huh? There's no doubt that he's a great cyclist. Probably better, on occasions, than the other cyclists he was racing against. So, assuming he matched them dope / no dope, he's a great racer. But that's it. If they dope, he has to dope to match / beat them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

That's the easy way out. Just call someone "A Hater", even though I have stated that I don't hate him, excuses you from any meaningful dialogue.

Well, this is interesting. Tell me then, why are you constantly hating on him?

Also known as the "stick-your-fingers-in-your-ears-and-shout-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA" defence.

Actually, no. I have explained this many times before: I simply don't know whether Alberto doped or not, so I choose to believe Alberto.

Huh? There's no doubt that he's a great cyclist. Probably better, on occasions, than the other cyclists he was racing against. So, assuming he matched them dope / no dope, he's a great racer. But that's it. If they dope, he has to dope to match / beat them.

I actually meant that Alberto doesn't need doping to be successful. First let's assume he did dope. Without doping he would still be a great cyclist, just not as great as he is now. Now, let's assume he did not dope. I think we can safely say he's pretty successful as a cyclist.

Conclusion: Without doping, he would either be just as successful as he is now, or a bit less, but still a great cyclist. So: he doesn't need doping for fame, money and wins.

That is, if we assume that he is the only one doping among the best cyclists. If he is doping, and the others are doping as well, he'd be the best in a completely clean peloton without a doubt.

I did not mean that he didn't dope just because he's great (or something like that)

"Probably better, on occasions, than the other cyclists he was racing against."

You could've left out "probably" and "on occasions".

 

[SirLes]

Well, this is interesting. Tell me then, why are you constantly hating on him?



Actually, no. I have explained this many times before: I simply don't know whether Alberto doped or not, so I choose to believe Alberto.



I actually meant that Alberto doesn't need doping to be successful. First let's assume he did dope. Without doping he would still be a great cyclist, just not as great as he is now. Now, let's assume he did not dope. I think we can safely say he's pretty successful as a cyclist.

Conclusion: Without doping, he would either be just as successful as he is now, or a bit less, but still a great cyclist. So: he doesn't need doping for fame, money and wins.

That is, if we assume that he is the only one doping among the best cyclists. If he is doping, and the others are doping as well, he'd be the best in a completely clean peloton without a doubt.

I did not mean that he didn't dope just because he's great (or something like that)

"Probably better, on occasions, than the other cyclists he was racing against."

You could've left out "probably" and "on occasions".

not picking on Contador per se but one of the problems with the endemic nature of doping in cycling, it's performance benefits and the relative lack of detailed information regarding when, what and how much individual cyclists used, it is impossible to state with any real certainty who would be the better cyclist in a dope free world.

With regards Contador being on Eurosport. I'm not sure if getting a convicted doper, currently serving a ban, to commentate is sending out quite the right message. Of course if we prevent any former cyclist who doped from commentating it would aslo be a probelm!

 

[LaFlorecita]

not picking on Contador per se but one of the problems with the endemic nature of doping in cycling, it's performance benefits and the relative lack of detailed information regarding when, what and how much individual cyclists used, it is impossible to state with any real certainty who would be the better cyclist in a dope free world.

I do not base my assumption on what I see, namely the differences between the riders. I base it on my assumption that Alberto must be the most talented cyclist in the peloton. For example, Vaugthers says Alberto is the most talented cyclist he has ever heard of, his test results during the early years of his career were always of the charts, he started cycling in 1998, and became neo pro in 2002, he beat guys 3-4 years older than him in the races he rode while in youth teams, he caught Bruyneels eye in 2001(!) when he first dropped back on a summit finish (apparently having a mechanical) only to come back and win the race, setting a record time up that climb that is raced every year. Also Bruyneel wanted to get Alberto on his team, when Alberto was just 20 years old, but he refrained because he saw Alberto as Manolo's "project".

Apart from that, he has the benefit of the right genes.