Contador on Eurosport

[LaFlorecita]

Omg, I can't understand how one can put his own interests (even not interests, just emotions) higher than opinion of all others and cycling itself.

Lol airstream. Tell me, what would you do if Andy tests positive?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't think so. Many people do everything possible not to face with this fact. I'm sure if Contador had got banned with a transfusion justification, some would have said that the case was cooked up or something like that. People don't need the truth, they need an object of worship.

Okay airstream, whether you like it or not, there are a lot of forum members that like Alberto. Unfortunately for you, we actually outnumber the Andy fans.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wow, persecution delusion AND a claim of exclusive personal affinity. I think it's time to dial the stalking back a bit. Seriously.

So tell me then, which regular clinic poster likes Alberto too? I'd love to get to know this person.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If the verdict was the transfusion one, some Contador fans would just say it is alright because he is a nice person and use that as reason to dodge the issue and not criticise him.

Sir Bertie can do nothing wrong because he is a nice person. Blind faith is what I call it.

You know what it is? Some people actually care more about exciting racing than about doping. Call it a bad attitude and all that, but that's just how it is.

Why would I criticise Alberto? Seriously, I would be slightly disappointed when it comes out that he doped but whatever, I know that it's a possibility. It wouldn't change anything for me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Then again, Ullrich has admitted it. Admitted he was wrong, that he was guilty and that he did go to Fuentes. Besides Ullrich has stopped for almost 6 years now.

So if Alberto would admit doping, there would be no such problem as there is now?

 

[LaFlorecita]

One indicates that the court felt it would not endanger the ruling to call him a doper. The other indicates that whatever the true opinion of the court, if they called him a doper and he managed to prove that they had insufficient evidence to make that specific claim, then it jeopardise the entire expensive case with no appreciable difference in outcomes.

It is a pact with the devil - in order to ensure that his team of ****holes (also known as lawyers) don't get a chance to facetiously attack the ruling, they have to word it very carefully. Ultimately Contador broke the rules on having clenbuterol. Doesn't make me a hater just because I'm not deluded enough to think that he should somehow get away with breaking the rules because he's such a nice, pretty boy.

For what it's worth, I think he's the most naturally talented GT rider since LeMond. On the subject of him winning races without doping - his development followed the profile of a GT rider of 25 or more years ago. He was strong from an early age, and performed well from his first GT. That is the pattern that the pre-EPO riders followed - Hinault, LeMond and Fignon were the last 3 greats to look like this. It is a pattern that Riis and Armstrong turned on its head. So, I think it likely he would be a very strong rider clean. As has been said before though, one of the horrible things about doping is that we'll never know.

Lol, yes, that's why I think he should have been left off.

Also, just for your information, that last part is EXACTLY why I think he hasn't doped.

 

[airstream]

Lol airstream. Tell me, what would you do if Andy tests positive?

Nothing. I would be melancholy for 10 minutes and continue to follow the races as if nothing had happened. I got over such a story with Basso and Di Luca. There's nothing dramatic. Cycling itself is way more important.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It is sad when you want to take things "sideways" and are considered unlucky when you are correctly determined guilty.

Have you ever considered the posibility that he may just be innocent? I know, small chance, but hey, it is a possibility.

Law isn't as clear as "you broke this and that rule, therefore you get this punishment.". I wish it were that clear.

Also, I used the word "unlucky" because lots of people get off that way.

Interesting. Perhaps you perceive that when others call him a name because of a positive doping test they "hate" him. That is a somewhat simplistic view of the world, don't you think?

Nah, it's not. It's not just what they say about him, it's their whole attitude towards him. You know, the way everything about him is bad and evil.

People get frustrated and angry with these types of situations. Take Contador and Valverde for example. I was quite frustrated by the appeals, counter-appeal, and total time the cases took to resolve. It was upsetting to my values that they were guilty but still riding and fighting the case. I will admit to being jaded by the history of riders who pop a positive, fight it tooth and nail, and in the end are still found to be undeniably guilty. Hamilton or Landis anyone? I thought their cases were also both drawn out and maddening, so it is not like I focus on one rider or country. However, once the rider has served whatever sanction given, I am cool with them coming back. Valverde is back and I quite enjoy watching him race.

And... do you believe these guys come back clean? Because seriously, if they're doping they never stop, not even after they come back from serving a suspension. And if you really dislike (or called it "disappointed in" or "frustrated by") those riders because they doped then how can you enjoy them once they return. Now that is hypocritical.

Of course, if it so upsetting for you to see folks in the clinic call Bertie names, or you want to hold the fixed belief that he is "hated", then don't waste your time reading and posting on those particular threads. It seems most unproductive and dysfunctional. Or perhaps you are simply trolling because you are bored. Take your pick

I'd love to believe that most of the clinic posters like (or even love) Alberto, but I just can't. I hope you can see why.

I can't stop posting in the clinic, 1. because I can't stand the fact that there are people that talk about Alberto this way. 2. because someone needs to talk some sense into the posters over here. Just to make sure they don't drown in their hatred.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Nothing. I would be melancholy for 10 minutes and continue to follow the races as if nothing had happened. I got over such a story with Basso and Di Luca. There's nothing dramatic. Cycling itself is way more important.

So you're not a true fan then. That's pretty sad, because you act as if Andy is everything for you. If Andy reads this I'm sure he'll be disappointed. There goes my only fan!!

I'd love to see Andy test positive some time. Not because I want him to get banned, but just to see his fans' reaction. Especially those fangirls on twitter, they have been talking so bad about Alberto. It has even come to the point that I get attacked by Andy fangirls when I tweet something positive about Alberto. So sad...

 

[airstream]

So you're not a true fan then. That's pretty sad, because you act as if Andy is everything for you. If Andy reads this I'm sure he'll be disappointed. There goes my only fan!!

It's rather a forum image. I was fed up with all that bashing stuff, joined the forum and created sort of counterbalance. I like cycling too much to be hung up on one rider. It's the matter of fan's perception. To me, a rider has to be honest with his fans and ride clean, rather than bluff with clen and transfusions.

I'd love to see Andy test positive some time.

It is very cute.

 

[Caruut]

So tell me then, which regular clinic poster likes Alberto too? I'd love to get to know this person.

I think the problem is not how much they like Alberto, but your definition of like. For most people, the idea if liking someone does not go hand in hand with believing that they can do no wrong. You seem to think that one must either "like" someone, and therefore everything they do, or else they are a "hater". The world isn't like this.

 

[Caruut]

Lol, yes, that's why I think he should have been left off.

Also, just for your information, that last part is EXACTLY why I think he hasn't doped.

Greg LeMond and Laurent Fignon could barely keep up with the pack once EPO had hit the scene. Just because a rider shows signs of being one who would thrive in a non-doping environment does not mean they aren't doping.

At school, we had two kinds of maths exams - those with and those without calculators. Some students are very good at working out difficult problems without calculators - they have a natural appreciation of how numbers behave and are able to apply it to the problems. Unsurprisingly, students who can think like this do best in the exams without calculators. However, just because they are very able without a calculator does not mean that doing 1657x2482 is easier without a calculator. Even the student who is best at the non-calculator exam still uses a calculator in the other one.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

That is pathetic.

That is the kind of attitude I want rid of in cycling.

If you had your way, you would have a free for all and we would have more Ricco`s in the sport.

What a load of BS you just posted there. You don`t have the best interests of this sport at heart whatsoever. I can`t believe what you just posted there.


Ye to have a couple of Riccos in the peleton would be sooo awful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34AY5epnluw

Myebe you get sick from thinking how much PEDs he was on there.
Personally i get an orgasm from the cheer awesomeness of those attacks...

 

[doolols]

I think the problem is not how much they like Alberto, but your definition of like. For most people, the idea if liking someone does not go hand in hand with believing that they can do no wrong. You seem to think that one must either "like" someone, and therefore everything they do, or else they are a "hater". The world isn't like this.

Yup. I've been trying to say this many, many times, but she doesn't listen. She's branded me a hater, because I think someone who is caught with evidence of rule breaking (note the careful wording) should be punished.

The dopers ... ahem, the people who show evidence of breaking the rules ... fall into two categories: those who say "it's a fair cop, yes, I did it" (like Ullrich), and those who continue to plead their innocence when actual and circumstantial evidence indicates that they're guilty (AC, LA, et al). You have to have a grudging respect for those who accept that they were caught cheating, and take their punishment.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Whatever. Like I said pathetic.

what exactly is patetic about enjoying exiting races? Instead of going around insulting me you can tell me why my point of view is so stupid, and so "bad" (as you have said many times) for cycling.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Don`t be twisting my words.

There is nothing pathetic about enjoying exciting races. What is pathetic is when you say doping should be legalised so as to make the races exciting and you happily say there is nothing wrong with a few Riccos in the peloton. You want it legalised so do you care about a riders health at all or do you think exciting racing is more important? What are you posting in the clinic if you don`t care about doping so?

The idea that we need doping to have exciting racing is absurd. The likes of cheats like Ricco, Vino and Contador are no heroes to me. The guys who are more heroes to me than them cheats I mentioned, are the clean riders busting their *** getting through the mountains in the grupetto trying to stay within the time limit in GTs every year.

I can understand you facination with following Samuel Dumoulin climbing up Ventoux. But personally i have to admit that what i enjoy most is watching Contador, Andy, Ricco and Vino battling at the front of the race...

 

[airstream]

Vino attacks everyone, how would you handle elimination of cycling from the Olympic Program?

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Vino attacks everyone, how would you handle elimination of cycling from the Olympic Program?

Never been a fan of the olympic road race...

The biggest mistake the sport of cycling have ever done is trying to clean up thier act. Look where they got themselves. only bad media attention, for what? Sure we got Ricco and in a way Contador. But if we look past that cycling have had a couple of positive test on some half good cyclists here and there, so the media can scream #once again a cyclist have been taken for PEDs" and McQuaid can say "the system works!" while people like Andy, Boonen, Gilbert are racing around doing what they want becasue they can pay themselves out of what they want... legalize it, it is really not worth it

 

[airstream]

The thing is the Olympic movement (part of which WADA policy is) is the base of interest that gives sponsors and money. Legalization of doping is refusal from olympic principles. No one would be able to create some alternative doping permissive cycling league. Such an idea is doomed to failure.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The thing is the Olympic movement (part of which WADA policy is) is the base of interest that gives sponsors and money. Legalization of doping is refusal from olympic principles. No one would be able to create some alternative doping permissive cycling league. Such an idea is doomed to failure.

that is why i said the biggest mistake cycling has done was trying to clean up. If they had just continued like before, we wouldnt even have this conversation...

 

[Caruut]

what exactly is patetic about enjoying exiting races? Instead of going around insulting me you can tell me why my point of view is so stupid, and so "bad" (as you have said many times) for cycling.

Nothing is pathetic about enjoying exciting races. Expecting others to unnecessarily risk their lives in order for you to do so is pathetic.

 

[Caruut]

that is why i said the biggest mistake cycling has done was trying to clean up. If they had just continued like before, we wouldnt even have this conversation...

Cycling is always going to have a drug problem, but "drug problem" is not a binary state. It isn't all or nothing - you have situations like the 90s where guys ran the risk of dying every time they went to sleep, and you have times like now, when getting away with truly excessive doping is becoming harder.

If the cost of making sure no-one does a Riis again is a few people, upon hearing I like cycling, go "yeah well it's just loads of drugs, ennit?", then so be it.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Expecting others to unnecessarily risk their lives in order for you to do so is pathetic.

Not expecting. I KNOW they do it for the same reason i know i would have done it if i were pro, money and fame. It is nothing pathetic about saying "the best riders is the riders that will go the longest with what they put in thier bodies, it doesn't matter if it is legal or unlegal, the same people will be at the top anyways."

The only differnce would be that the clinic would be a boring place without all the conspiracy theories

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's rather a forum image. I was fed up with all that bashing stuff, joined the forum and created sort of counterbalance. I like cycling too much to be hung up on one rider. It's the matter of fan's perception. To me, a rider has to be honest with his fans and ride clean, rather than bluff with clen and transfusions.



It is very cute.

Lol, you believe Andy is clean?

 

[LaFlorecita]

That is pathetic.

That is the kind of attitude I want rid of in cycling.

If you had your way, you would have a free for all and we would have more Ricco`s in the sport.

What a load of BS you just posted there. You don`t have the best interests of this sport at heart whatsoever. I can`t believe what you just posted there.

WADA is the problem alright. not the cheats like Vino. Carry on the blood doping all yee want there lads. Put yere health in danger while yee are at it as well. Its all legal.

Again pathetic.



You would love to see another high profile rider test positive just to see how Andy fans react. Pathetic as well. You are another one so who does`nt have the bests interests of the sport at heart.

Come to think of it, you only want what is best for Contador over the bests interests of the sport.



Great post.

Wow, gooner, you know me so well!