Contador positive!!!!!

[JPM London]

We already knew that Damsgaard is corrupt. Now we know that he is an idiot as well. FLandis' B samples were tested and many came up positive for testosterone. The idea that he tested positive from a testosterone tainted blood transfusion does not match the facts, and people should stop promoting this debunked theory.

I didn't mean for this thread to be turned into a Landis thread, which seems to have happened somewhat - merely wanted to point at his comment about Conti. For what it's worth Morkeberg says the same thing - wasn't he the guy that got hate from LA for suggesting that his spike in the 09 tour could be doping?

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/article1421605.ece

You can say what you want about Damsgaard (I tend to think he's been given way too hard a time), but I don't think there's anybody questioning Morekeberg, is there? Anyway, it's not like Damsgaard is defending Conti...

As for the first one, his two business partners with whom he started that anti-doping business, kicked him out saying he could no longer be trusted and that he was accepting gifts from the teams he was supposed to be monitoring.

If I remember correctly he was given a used bike from the team - which shouldn't have been given to him and he shouldn't have accepted - but deeming it as very, very corrupt and using it to undermine anything the man says is a stretch as far as I'm concerned...

 

[Mshort]

Diminimus non curat lex!

Its a valid maxim to quote in this matter but its not the total answer. WADA and the authorities are, most definitely, concerned with trifles. However, with such a minute reading (so long as it does turn out to be a clinically insignificant reading), Contador and his team should be able to place sufficient doubt on the nature and source of the agent and so escape a serious sanction.

 

[Dalakhani]

The inference being that if they tested everyone to these levels they would get more positives?

Including you and me.

By analogy, if the police arrested you and tested all the banknotes in your wallet to a sufficient degree, they would find you in possession of cocaine.

(BBC: "More than 99% of the banknotes in circulation in London are tainted with cocaine, according to a study.")

Does that mean you're guilty of anything?

Contador's levels of this drug are so small, it's hard to imagine he took the drug deliberately during the tour. The blood transfusion theory is more credible, but I think there needs to be more proof.

(Such as noticable differences in the components of his urine compared to the previous and subsequent samples he gave.)

Steve

 

[scribe]

Masking agents dictate a zero tolerence threshold for these materials.

 

[who dat]

Contadors levels are so low that it is probably contamination. The only other previous case that we have to go on is the Fuyu Li case and experts say that was probably contamination.

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821

 

[OneRaceWonder]

Contadors levels are so low that it is probably contamination. The only other previous case that we have to go on is the Fuyu Li case and experts say that was probably contamination.

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821

So why did he get two years then???

 

[DamonAlbarn]

I think the droggies should get their bans extended if

their excuses are humorless and utter boring:

1) "It must have been from a bottle I got from a fan"

2) "Someone spiced my drink"

3) "Food poisoning"

4) "I've got an unborn twin inside me."

1+2+3: +6 months
4: Comedy gold, let the ban be halved Who was it btw, the name escapes me?
EDIT: It was Tyler Hamilton

Oh and as for 1) Rolf Sorensen once drank from a random bottle that was offered to him, before he realized the basic ingredient was hot mustard.

 

[Ferminal]

And this is why I am laughing today, especially when I remember people using the TdF performances of Vande Velde and Wigans as proof that the TdF was a lot cleaner.

Fuyu Li should be happy. When the UCI lets Contador off, it will give the Chinese carte blanche to let their rider off.

The truly funny thing about this is watching all the Armstrong chamois sniffers dancing in the streets unaware, or too stupid to figure out, that this will damage Armstrong's credibility in the eyes of the American public. Armstrong looks more and more like a husband who just got back from a party at the Playboy mansion telling his wife he did not look at any of the women.

lol @ the Garmin riders.

Perhaps the sniffers may feel it vindicates Armstrong and that the only reason he didn't win an 8th in 2009 was a doper and a 9th in 2010 all those crashes.

 

[ttrider]

LET HIM OFF
you have to be insane to believe he purposefully took the risk to inject such a tiny amount which would have no effect into the blood, its a simple risk reward here people
At least the UCI is not hanging him and looking for contamination as this is clearly very plausible

 

[El Pistolero]

On September 29, 2010, Contador revealed that he had failed a July 21 test for clenbuterol at the 2010 Tour de France. He has stated, due to the number of other tests he passed and that only a tiny amount of the substance was detected in the one he failed, that food contamination was to blame. Renowned anti-doping doctor Don Catlin considers this explanation plausible.[82] The UCI issued a report that “the concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 times less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect,” and that the positive result would require further scientific investigation. Contador has since been provisionally suspended from competition, despite having already declared his 2010 season over.[83][84] Contador could be stripped of his Tour title and formally suspended under World Anti-Doping Agency regulations which state that an athlete is entirely responsible for whatever enters his or her body.[85]

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If it's 400 times less then what WADA needs to detect then how can they make a real case? Just wondering.

 

[Benotti69]

i don't think the question is whether or not he doped but whether what has been found in his sample is enough to impose a ban and strip him of his 2010 TdF victory?

as for dancing up and down, i aint bothered. Contador has been associated with the darkside for a long time and you would need to be a mute not to see that.

how this affects what is happening with LA/Novitsky, it doesn't. Public opinion will go 2 ways. Cycling is and was always a doping sport, nothing has changed and therefore Uniballer had to play dirty too. Those fanboys will have a field day saying their boy never tested pos, which we all know is not true, due to the the intervention of the UCI and the back dated TUC, which i don't consider, never mind the retro tested 99 samples.

Cycling sadly remains for most riders a dirty sport. I totally question all the top results in the sport, a natural reaction. Basso, Contador and Nibali, all to me dopers proven or not.

 

[Ferminal]

If it's 400 times less then what WADA needs to detect then how can they make a real case? Just wondering.

Because it's a banned substance which isn't naturally produced in the body?

Anything above absolute zero is theoretically enough to give a positive test.

If there is a problem with the way the Code addresses this and other similar substances why hasn't someone cried wolf earlier.

 

[El Pistolero]

Because it's a banned substance which isn't naturally produced in the body?

Anything above absolute zero is theoretically enough to give a positive test.

If there is a problem with the way the Code addresses this and other similar substances why hasn't someone cried wolf earlier.

Banned substance à la Merckx.

But if it's 400 times less then what labs are supposed to detect then how did they find it with Conti, or am I completely misunderstanding that sentence? Or are they just doing more intense testing(in quality not quantity) on Conti then on for example Li Fuyu?

 

[djconnel]

their excuses are humorless and utter boring:

Nevertheless, if I multiply the concentration in the blood by the body mass I still get only 3 μg, well below the typical therapeutic dose range beginning at 20 μg/day. Given a half-life of 36 hours, it would have around 4 days for the concentration from a single therapeutic dose to drop to such a low concentration.

And that's assuming it's everywhere in his body the same concentration. If it's higher concentration in the blood then elsewhere then the time would be even larger.

And anabolic-level doses are supposedly much higher.

Don't let a pre-conceived conviction that he's guilty get in the way of the facts on this particular case.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So why did he get two years then???

Fuyu Li has not yet been sanctioned - his case is due to be heard by the Chinese very soon.

 

[issoisso]

If I understood the terrible audio of Contador's press conference, he just said that, the UCI told him that they do believe it's possible it may have been the meat, but they'll suspend him regardless.

 

[Squares]

Damsgaard says that this looks like "a Landis". He suggests that Contador used Clenbuterol a few months before and had it in his system when he stored blood, which he infused on the rest day.

http://sporten.tv2.dk/article.php/id-33923621:damsgaard-det-ligner-en-landis.html?forside

I read the same theory way back in this thread...

 

[DamonAlbarn]

Nevertheless, if I multiply the concentration in the blood by the body mass I still get only 3 μg, well below the typical therapeutic dose range beginning at 20 μg/day. Given a half-life of 36 hours, it would have around 4 days for the concentration from a single therapeutic dose to drop to such a low concentration.

And that's assuming it's everywhere in his body the same concentration. If it's higher concentration in the blood then elsewhere then the time would be even larger.

And anabolic-level doses are supposedly much higher.

Don't let a pre-conceived conviction that he's guilty get in the way of the facts on this particular case.

A bit of facts:

1) I never mentioned Contador
2) Speaking of Contador, low concentration or not, both tests revealed drugs that shouldn't be there in the first place.
3) You don't have a sense of humor.

 

[roundabout]

If Bordry says that there were suspicions about Contador than there's probably more to the case than just a steak gone bad.

 

[El Pistolero]

Who's crying? I don't even like contador that much and have lived under the assumption that most professional athletes dope in some fashion anyway. I just hate that excuse is all.

Most professional cyclists don't actually earn a lot of money like you said in an earlier post. Sure Contador is an exception, but even my dad makes more money then an average professional cyclist...

 

[Ferminal]

Banned substance à la Merckx.

But if it's 400 times less then what labs are supposed to detect then how did they find it with Conti, or am I completely misunderstanding that sentence? Or are they just doing more intense testing(in quality not quantity) on Conti then on for example Li Fuyu?

It just means the lab is good and its methods exceed the detection requirements. If it was a lab which was not so good it would have never been found, but it was found it has to be reported (by the lab) regardless of whether it was performance enhancing, ingested knowingly or not.

I think Contador will end up with a sanction. He will definitely lose his TdF win. The suspension length is up in the air though, I'd probably guess it will be somewhere between 3 months and 12 months.

There was a case in Australia recently where a swimmer whose "asthma medicine was mislabeled" received only a 3 month suspension.

 

[Squares]

The UCI issued a report that “the concentration found by the laboratory was estimated at 50 picograms (or 0,000 000 000 05 grams per ml) which is 400 times less than what the antidoping laboratories accredited by WADA must be able to detect,” .

If it's 400 times less then what WADA needs to detect then how can they make a real case? Just wondering.

Any amount is banned, it is just that the lab test has a mandatory lower limit of quantitation (known in the clinical testing business as LLOQ) of 20,000 pg/mL that they must be able to detect reliably. In this case, the lab that did the testing has refined the method so that they can detect clenbuterol and much lower levels reliably.

Contador may have gotten away with Clenbuterol use for a long time by micro dosing while thinking that the LLOQ for the labs was much higher. It just happened that this lab had refined the method so they could detect it at much lower levels without announcing their actual LLOQ.

It kind of reminds me of the people who first got busted with CERA because they thought the test didn't exist to detect CERA. They only know about the new test after it was too late and they had already tested positive.

 

[Aguirre]

If Bordry says that there were suspicions about Contador than there's probably more to the case than just a steak gone bad.

you believe Bordry!!!! ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja,

 

[python]

The UCI bullshit can stop right now.

WADA - Minimum Required Performance Limits.

Basically this is the standard limit across all laboratories so they can detect various PED's, however as noted from the document:


See you in Court Bertie.

this is the right document doc but a badly outdated revision which may prove very important.

compare it to a 2009 revision
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...m/WADP-IS-Laboratories/WADA_TD2009MRPL_EN.pdf

and the first foot note under the table on page 1. it was not there in 2004
and that's the main argument de boer makes.

given the confusing nature of the clenbuterol classification under the wada banned list and the trace amounts, contador may have a case but it will take a lot more than de boyer's paper.

 

[ultimobici]

JUst checked the level that Fuyu Li was found to have in his sample and compared it to Contador. It is the same level!!

Fuyu Li had 0.05-0.1 ng
Contador had 50 pg

50pg = 0.05 ng

I can't see them letting him off unless Fuyu Li is too.

If you consider Jessica Hardy's case, he's looking at 12 months at least.