Contador positive!!!!!

[Aguirre]

All and sundry seem to agree on one thing: The levels of Clenbuterol here doesn't constitute an advantage performance-wise, and it can be detected only as trace elements. It might come from food, or it might appear as the result of a blood transfusion, for which no testing protocol exists. So???[/QUOTE]

that's it, there is any clue about blood transfussion or not more evidence that a food contamination. Then?

UCI is ****ed anycase

 

[fcojavier]

Nice thought but the wrong interpretation of the document. The 1/10th rule applies only to Narcotics, Stimulants, and Beta Blockers. Other non threshold substances have zero tolerance.

Thanks, I see now the little "a" and "b" letters.

Some more info.
As per El Pais, the lab didn´t use the habitual channel to comunicate the positive result (thinking of contamination):
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/futuro/incierto/elpepudep/20100930elpepudep_8/Tes

 

[Escarabajo]

...

Some more info.
As per El Pais, the lab didn´t use the habitual channel to comunicate the positive result (thinking of contamination):
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/futuro/incierto/elpepudep/20100930elpepudep_8/Tes

Thanks. Nice info.

Neither did the UCI. Wow. Maybe trying to cover up.

This other athlete, Josephine Onyia, was nailed regarsless of the beef contamination theory. So they already have a past precedent. Alberto is doomed.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

and the fact that cyclingnews' coverage is so sycophantic. No mention of how the story broke...

You mean no mention of how auscyclefan94 got that free meal?

You owe me a new keyboard.

 

[SpartacusRox]

What is happening to this sport!!

Seven years of the great man winning with no issue and ever since then every second winner is being busted for dope.

Maybe the guy from St Kitts and Nevis who finished 20+ minutes behind The Man in the TT is the only clean rider out there!!

 

[Boeing]

You mean no mention of how auscyclefan94 got that free meal?

a happy meal at that

 

[SpartacusRox]

Thanks. Nice info.

Neither did the UCI. Wow. Maybe trying to cover up.

This other athlete, Josephine Onyia, was nailed regarsless of the beef contamination theory. So they already have a past precedent. Alberto is doomed.

I wouldn't say he is doomed. Even if he get 2 years, by the time he gets back we will probably have the top ten riders in the world as reinstated dopers...he can just join the line.

His fail TT in the TdF compared to previous years was clear indication to me that he had cut down on his doping programme. I didn't think he would have reduced it by 400x though!

 

[scottfrasernz]

the pork

OK so if the pork he ate was contaminated with clen

it shouldnt be difficult to get some more of that pork and test it to establish if there is any clenbuterol

its very unlikely the pork was sourced from such a small supply that more could not be obtained easily, Spanish hams tend to be cured meats that are aged for months in large batches

yes?

 

[Der_Gestreifte]

OK so if the pork he ate was contaminated with clen

it shouldnt be difficult to get some more of that pork and test it to establish if there is any clenbuterol

[snip]

yes?

No way.
You´d be breaking the Spanish Pork Mafia's omerta.
Nobody has done that before.

 

[Winterfold]

As Barrus pointed out -AC was being tested every day so surely a transfusion would show on the bio-passport?

I'm not saying he's clean but if he's going to get popped then it should be for the real deal not something verging on circumstantial

Personally I would rather see some tennis or footy or RFU players get popped rather than our sport's rep go further down the U-bend for a dose that makes NO difference

(pork? Can we at least make some effort to read about this before condemnation...)

 

[zastomito]

Just saw PTI on ESPN. They had segment focused on Contador. Talk about an ignorance.... To be fair Wilbone was OK (even had a little "are you kidding me" smile when Kornheiser said that every TDF winner in the last 20 years was doped except LA) but Kornheiser was absolutely clueless. Shame, liked that show.

 

[Polyarmour]

Apparently Clenbuterol can't be masked.

Therefore the tiny amounts found in AC reflect the amounts he has taken in. These amounts by all accounts gave him no benefit.

There is no way of saying whether these tiny amounts came from a blood transfusion or from contaminated meat.

IMO the zero tolerance policy for this substance is flawed. You can't have a zero tolerance for a substance that can (theoretically) be ingested from supermarket food.

The UCI should put their hand up on this one and admit their testing procedure is flawed. They should prescribe a minimum dose for Clenbuterol and let Conti and Fuyu Li off the hook.

 

[warmfuzzies]

Contador is 100% innocent

How am I confident in throwing out the A and B sample results and making this assertion? Because Contador never lies, and always wins. It's that simple. He is the greatest of all time cyclist. He doesn't need drugs to win. Unlike cheaters, Alberto has a really convincing argument about the accidentally ingested meat. Come on, why would anyone believe he doped?

 

[BroDeal]

Apparently Clenbuterol can't be masked.

Therefore the tiny amounts found in AC reflect the amounts he has taken in. These amounts by all accounts gave him no benefit.

There is no way of saying whether these tiny amounts came from a blood transfusion or from contaminated meat.

IMO the zero tolerance policy for this substance is flawed. You can't have a zero tolerance for a substance that can (theoretically) be ingested from supermarket food.

The UCI should put their hand up on this one and admit their testing procedure is flawed. They should prescribe a minimum dose for Clenbuterol and let Conti and Fuyu Li off the hook.

This would be the rational thing to do, but it would be set against a backdrop of the UCI hounding riders like Mancebo and Sevilla off the continent even though they had not tested positive. When combined with bribes from Armstrong and special treatment for certain teams, letting Contador off looks corrupt at a time when the UCI is denying corruption.

I propose a simple solution. The UCI should hire Vrijman to produce an independent report exonerating Contador. This plan has worked before; it can work again.

 

[XlandaluzeX]

mmmmm clen-contaminated Actovegin capsules ?

 

[DenisMenchov]

I have one question for ya all:

Did some fan stop some cyclists on an uphill, because he was a fan of an other cyclist?

Because if Contador starts Tour 2011 he can expect to be hold by me. I`m gonna grab that saddle and never let him go.

 

[auscyclefan94]

You bet there were. To his fans it was a "lovely victory" over a doped to the gills di Luca.

Menchov ain't been the same rider since. Wonder why.

3rd in this years tour not that good?

It seems Lance fanboys are having a great time today enjoy it...while it lasts...

I don't blame them.

Were still waiting for your evidence that they did not test the other samples for Clen.

There are the B samples. Contador's lawyers may have spent the last month having any samples that were not test for Clen tested.

Yes, his lawyers have been given a lot of time to tell the people that they are going to be in the narrative, "Alberto's Clenbuterol Positive". They got the main base for the story line from the site wikipedia.

There would be nothing to stop them for testing the urine now on previous stages for clenbuterol.

You know, yellow jersey--> daily tests---> they can still test it now--> they actually did that and found nothing.

The UCI are doing the same favour to Alberto as they did to lance. No surprise here. Giving him that much time to work up a defence, It just porves how much they want to keep Alberto in the sport. My little narrative still stands. he has been busted and the uci have been caught out big time.

I don't care if you "won" something by texting in a news story that frankly shouldn't be worth 16+++++++++ threads when there's a WC on. The fact that doing makes you seem like a cretin is irrelevant. I got sick after 2 pages of reading your vitriolic logorrhea. Do you talk like you post? If you did you'd be in a loony bin. There's absolutely no need for it the jibes and capitals and immaturity. It unfortunately detracts from any point (be it valid or not) you make.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting

How are there 16 + threads? I think you are going senile. You seem to get a bit heated over a little cycling forum. Maybe you need to go the loony bin becuse you have some serious psychological problems!

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

I searched this thread for "teammate" and did not get any hits, so here are a few questions for thought/discussion, all based on Alberto's claim that tainted food resulted in the positive test result.

1. When does Alberto think he ingested the tainted food? At the Tour?

2. If at the Tour, don't his teammates eat the same food prepared by the team cooks?

3. Did any of his teammates turn up with positive results for Clenbuterol?

4. If ingested at the Tour OR at any other time before the Tour, could a one-time dose result in a positive test?

 

[richwagmn]

I have one question for ya all:

Did some fan stop some cyclists on an uphill, because he was a fan of an other cyclist?

Because if Contador starts Tour 2011 he can expect to be hold by me. I`m gonna grab that saddle and never let him go.

Still won't help your boy get his tour win.

 

[Anonymous]

I searched this thread for "teammate" and did not get any hits, so here are a few questions for thought/discussion, all based on Alberto's claim that tainted food resulted in the positive test result.

1. When does Alberto think he ingested the tainted food? At the Tour?

2. If at the Tour, don't his teammates eat the same food prepared by the team cooks?

3. Did any of his teammates turn up with positive results for Clenbuterol?

4. If ingested at the Tour OR at any other time before the Tour, could a one-time dose result in a positive test?

1. yes
2. yes, all bar vino who ate from the hotel
3. no, only he and vino were tested
4. yes, hence he was not pos on the 20th but was on the 21st and 22nd and then negative after that

5. he answers all of these in his press conference

 

[nicholaaaas]

Apparently Clenbuterol can't be masked.

Therefore the tiny amounts found in AC reflect the amounts he has taken in. These amounts by all accounts gave him no benefit.

There is no way of saying whether these tiny amounts came from a blood transfusion or from contaminated meat.

IMO the zero tolerance policy for this substance is flawed. You can't have a zero tolerance for a substance that can (theoretically) be ingested from supermarket food.

The UCI should put their hand up on this one and admit their testing procedure is flawed. They should prescribe a minimum dose for Clenbuterol and let Conti and Fuyu Li off the hook.

pretty much... if they really want to peruse this and take it all the way to the CAS... AC should easily when when he appeals to the EU courts. i doubt its going that far thou

 

[DenisMenchov]

Still won't help your boy get his tour win.

Maybe, but will ruin Contadope`s chanses.

 

[DenisMenchov]

I don`t see how can Cotador come out clean. Banned substance - 2 year ban. It`s jut the way things go in cycling. Rasmussen got this ban just of whereabouts and that one was a shame, how will he feel if he finds out that some people can dope, while he can`t lie about being in Mexico,

 

[nicholaaaas]

I don`t see how can Cotador come out clean. Banned substance - 2 year ban. It`s jut the way things go in cycling. Rasmussen got this ban just of whereabouts and that one was a shame, how will he feel if he finds out that some people can dope, while he can`t lie about being in Mexico,

guess what? as much as you don't want to admit it. the evidence in THIS case isn't enough to say he doped... not even close. that's the bottom line. if you wanna argue blood transfusion... uh they can test for that; so that theory is out the window. he'll walk

 

[Escarabajo]

OK so if the pork he ate was contaminated with clen

it shouldnt be difficult to get some more of that pork and test it to establish if there is any clenbuterol

its very unlikely the pork was sourced from such a small supply that more could not be obtained easily, Spanish hams tend to be cured meats that are aged for months in large batches

yes?

What are they going to do? Ask the store where they bought the meat to give them some more of that contaminated meat? Only in their dreams. He probably trashed it by now (If the Contador story is true). Even if he agrees he would have to rat out the rancher who sold them the meat. Very unlikely.

If they were confident of this story they would have probably had gone to the store and got another piece quietly before all these new broke and tested the meat. The problem would be which lab would be able to catch such a small amounts (assuming that the meat before cooking keeps the same concentration of contaminants, which I really don't know). I am sure they will be stupid to go to the same lab to test the meat. They are trapped. Or maybe they tried testing it somewhere else and came back negative.

Very hard case indeed.