Contador positive!!!!!

[Ferminal]

It is what it is. The sum of the parts really do equal the whole - and it's very entertaining. THEY CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES.

See you in the Worlds threads...

Oh wait.

 

[eugkim]

Funny thing - wouldn't you think that, if Contador ate tainted beef during the tour, one of his teammates might have had the same meal and tested positive as well? Or don't they eat together as a team?

 

[GJB123]

Funny thing - wouldn't you think that, if Contador ate tainted beef during the tour, one of his teammates might have had the same meal and tested positive as well? Or don't they eat together as a team?

This getting tiresome. Read the news for crying out loud. He and Vino were the only ones tested that rest day and he was the only one tested the day after (the stage to the Tourmalet). Vino ate a different supper, hence no one else of the team tested positive. I am not commenting on the likelihood of said story, but at least read the story before you enter the discussion.

Regards
GJ

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Funny thing - wouldn't you think that, if Contador ate tainted beef during the tour, one of his teammates might have had the same meal and tested positive as well? Or don't they eat together as a team?

Do you not realize that they don't test every member of the team? Good grief.

 

[theswordsman]

Funny thing - wouldn't you think that, if Contador ate tainted beef during the tour, one of his teammates might have had the same meal and tested positive as well? Or don't they eat together as a team?

There are links posted pages ago, but the short version is that Vino was the only other rider on the team tested that day, but he had eaten earlier. The chef at the hotel wouldn't let team chefs use the kitchen, so the Astana guy who is a pal of Alberto's cooked steak brought from Spain by a race organizer on the team bus. The Spanish riders ate it together. Noval, De la Fuente and the chef have all talked to the press about it.

 

[GJB123]

Oh yeah, cant resist this:
Discovery famously had its own chef and bought its own food from locals far away from the Tour hotel to remove any possibility of planned contamination and cooked their own food in their own cookware.

Sucks Alberto doesnt it to leave a team that leaves nothing to chance.

Yeah, just ask Mr Li of China whether he is so glad Shack take all the precautions necessary.

Regards
GJ

 

[nicholaaaas]

My moneys on him eating alexander vinokourov's food!!!!
But Regardless of the situation and excuses, positive is positive, that substance in your system would have some effect on performance
Astana involved again no surprise!

i think you are the only person in the entire would who thinks the concentration in his system benefited him

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Some info on DEHP for those interested:

http://www.dehp-facts.com/medical

From the article:

Di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP) - the member of the phthalate family used in almost all PVC healthcare applications - is actually specified by the European Pharmacopoeia as the plasticiser for blood bags.

 

[davestoller]

Yeah, just ask Mr Li of China whether he is so glad Shack take all the precautions necessary.

Regards
GJ

Yeah, I was talking about the precautions that they take at the Tour, when even the lesser riders are subject to the Lance obsessive routines of food bought and prepared by their own staff, of course its hard to say lesser riders when you refer to Kloden, Levi, Zubeldia etc all top ten or podium finishers.

I think the lesser riders obviously dont get the scrutiny, or according to FLod, even decent training bikes.

Regards

 

[hektoren]

Some info on DEHP for those interested:

http://www.dehp-facts.com/medical

From the article:

Di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP) - the member of the phthalate family used in almost all PVC healthcare applications - is actually specified by the European Pharmacopoeia as the plasticiser for blood bags.

As well as in
Hoses and profiles: DEHP is used to plasticise PVC, which is then used for flexible hoses and profiles (gaskets) that are durable and highly resistant to weathering.

Shoe soles: DEHP-plasticised PVC is used for many shoe soles because of its flexibility, durability and anti-slip properties.

Sealings: One of the non-PVC applications of DEHP are sealings, which are often applied to windows and doors for improved insulation.

Others: industrial doors, flexible containers, curtains for lorries and train compartments, sports mats, swimming pool covers, tarpaulins, signs, shower curtains, napkins, stationery films, book binding, maps and folders, roofing materials, water beds, furniture, luggage, traffic cones, buoys, disposable gloves and dipped tool handles.

Good luck on establishing as fact that the DEHP and its metabolites in Contas urine stems from blood bags!

 

[davestoller]

i think you are the only person in the entire would who thinks the concentration in his system benefited him

It doesnt matter if it benefitted him or not. As this thread indicates with the new but unproven evidence of plascticizer in his urine-which is not sanctionable unfortunatley-the presence of clenbuterol and now plasticizer, the mere presence is indicative of something unusual and almost certainly wrong.

Its like if a bank robber is caught after the police have recovered all the money but he still has minute traces of invisible dye on his fingers or clothes from handling the money---it indicates the fact of wrongdoing. Regular folks just dont have clenbuterol floating around in their pee.

 

[Anonymous]

It seems everyone is looking for an excuse as to why he didn't dope. Problem is that he doped. It is no secret that they blood refill on the rest day. If you follow the sport, and you don't know this, you have been blind. The reports from Germany and France are telling, and make much more sense than tainted beef. Sorry, almost every rider caught comes up with an excuse as to why it was a mistake. I know there are those here who support Contador, and have railed against Armstrong. I implore you to be consistent in your application of suspicion. I for one have always believed Contador doped. I have always said that my main dislike of Armstrong is because of his actions toward others in denying and covering his doping, not his doping. 99% dope, and if you still cannot see that, then I am not sure what to tell you?

Contador seems like a nice guy. Too bad he doped and got caught.

Cycling needs to be the model of trying to clean up sport, and it seems that once again, the UCI has taken the attitude of some of the members here who believe that you should sweep doping cases under the rug for the good of the sport. I believe the delay in this had everything to do with trying to find a behind the scenes way to explain it away in hopes of making it go away. Unfortunately for them, those evil labs have been doing their job, and fortunately had an ace up their sleeve in the form of a test for di(2-ethylhexyl). I for one hope they create doping positives for that substance, and enforce it retroactively. Can you imagine that carnage? Of course the UCI doesn't have the balls to do that, and can you imagine the outcry from the peloton if they instituted that policy?

I too think its funny that The Hog came out in support of Contador. I wonder if he is hoping to suck up enough to keep Contador's mouth shut about his time under him? I am sure Contador's family will be taken care of in his 2 years without a job. The mafia always take care of those who take care of them.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

As well as in
Hoses and profiles: DEHP is used to plasticise PVC, which is then used for flexible hoses and profiles (gaskets) that are durable and highly resistant to weathering.

Shoe soles: DEHP-plasticised PVC is used for many shoe soles because of its flexibility, durability and anti-slip properties.

Sealings: One of the non-PVC applications of DEHP are sealings, which are often applied to windows and doors for improved insulation.

Others: industrial doors, flexible containers, curtains for lorries and train compartments, sports mats, swimming pool covers, tarpaulins, signs, shower curtains, napkins, stationery films, book binding, maps and folders, roofing materials, water beds, furniture, luggage, traffic cones, buoys, disposable gloves and dipped tool handles.

Good luck on establishing as fact that the DEHP and its metabolites in Contas urine stems from blood bags!

Let's play multiple choice.

Contador is a:

A. Hose
B. Window
C. Shoe
D. Door
E. Napkin
F. Flexible container
G. Professional cyclist

I'll go with G. But hey, if you disagree with that answer, good luck showing otherwise.

 

[roundabout]

Contador must have been reaaallly hungry to eat his steak and the napkin.

 

[Anonymous]

Some info on DEHP for those interested:

http://www.dehp-facts.com/medical

From the article:

Di-(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP) - the member of the phthalate family used in almost all PVC healthcare applications - is actually specified by the European Pharmacopoeia as the plasticiser for blood bags.

Maybe the cow who was injected with Clenbuterol also got a blood transfusion?

Edit: Man, I went looking for a picture to post by searching for "beef injection" and I have to say that the interwebs are an unsafe place...

 

[nicholaaaas]

Unless they can get some cattle farmer to testify that he deliberately broke EU farming legislation and fed his cows a banned substance I don't see how anything is going to come to light that will help Contador's story seem more credible.

The two biggest misconceptions in this thread are first that the contaminated meat story is plausible, which it isn't, since feeding Clen to animals is banned in the EU and (as an earlier poster pointed out) there hasn't been a recorded case of contamination in Europe for fourteen years, and second that were this story to be accepted as true Contador might be able to get a reduced sentence, which he can't, since the rules very clearly state that all athletes are responsible for whatever is found in their samples regardless of how it got there. The rules are completely unambiguous on this point. He had a banned substance in his body, so he should be banned, whether it got there through a blood transfusion or a steak or magical Clenbutarol faeries is irrelevant.

so Contador , who makes a heatly living, would cheat; but a veal farmer in spain wouldn't?

http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/clenbut_cheat.html

 

[Ferminal]

It seems everyone is looking for an excuse as to why he didn't dope. Problem is that he doped. It is no secret that they blood refill on the rest day. If you follow the sport, and you don't know this, you have been blind. The reports from Germany and France are telling, and make much more sense than tainted beef. Sorry, almost every rider caught comes up with an excuse as to why it was a mistake. I know there are those here who support Contador, and have railed against Armstrong. I implore you to be consistent in your application of suspicion. I for one have always believed Contador doped. I have always said that my main dislike of Armstrong is because of his actions toward others in denying and covering his doping, not his doping. 99% dope, and if you still cannot see that, then I am not sure what to tell you?

Contador seems like a nice guy. Too bad he doped and got caught.

Cycling needs to be the model of trying to clean up sport, and it seems that once again, the UCI has taken the attitude of some of the members here who believe that you should sweep doping cases under the rug for the good of the sport. I believe the delay in this had everything to do with trying to find a behind the scenes way to explain it away in hopes of making it go away. Unfortunately for them, those evil labs have been doing their job, and fortunately had an ace up their sleeve in the form of a test for di(2-ethylhexyl). I for one hope they create doping positives for that substance, and enforce it retroactively. Can you imagine that carnage? Of course the UCI doesn't have the balls to do that, and can you imagine the outcry from the peloton if they instituted that policy?

I too think its funny that The Hog came out in support of Contador. I wonder if he is hoping to suck up enough to keep Contador's mouth shut about his time under him? I am sure Contador's family will be taken care of in his 2 years without a job. The mafia always take care of those who take care of them.

I agree with most of what you say.

However I have an inner conflict where a part of me says it's unlucky if not unfair for Contador to get pinged while the next best are in the clear. If Contador goes down for two years, the next winner is still going to be a blood bank.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

edit: Man, i went looking for a picture to post by searching for "beef injection" and i have to say that the interwebs are an unsafe place...

lmfao!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

I agree with most of what you say.

However I have an inner conflict where a part of me says it's unlucky if not unfair for Contador to get pinged while the next best are in the clear. If Contador goes down for two years, the next winner is still going to be a blood bank.

I agree completely. That is the real rub. Like I said, imagine if they retroactively introduce positives for blood doping based on finding di(2-ethylhexyl) in your system. We could see the exclusion of over half or more of the participants in any GT.

 

[Jamsque]

so Contador , who makes a heatly living, would cheat; but a veal farmer in spain wouldn't?

http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/clenbut_cheat.html

None of the articles in that link is less than 14 years old.

Keep trying, though.

 

[nicholaaaas]

Funny thing - wouldn't you think that, if Contador ate tainted beef during the tour, one of his teammates might have had the same meal and tested positive as well? Or don't they eat together as a team?

or other members of his team were not tested that day? what do you think they test blood and urine of every single rider every day?

 

[roundabout]

None of the articles in that link is less than 14 years old.

Keep trying, though.

Nah, Contador's luck just ran out since there's indeed a 0.044% chance of finding meat positive for clenbutarol in Europe.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

This Contador nonsense is all a misunderstanding. As Patty McQuaid said last year, the war on doping has been won. There won't be any more doping positives at the Tour. Really. He means it.

 

[Bailey]

I like how Cancellara felt no need to stress too much at the idea of having a nice, big, fat STEAK on the evening of the same day Contador started waffling **** about chemicals in his "enchanted" steak.

Beware the dope in steaks! Fabian picks off a gold medal, becoming WOrld Champion, and then posts this photo of his dinner that evening, via his Twitter:

http://yfrog.com/0qy2xj

Funny how Cancellara picked a random steak house in Geelong and felt no concerns at all about any possible Clenbuterol levels in Australian steaks without knowing.

He seemed not too concerned at all, in fact. Funny, that.

Most people don't have too much trouble with a nice steak. Amazing it only happened to Contador, huh?

I also note how Cancellara had never been to Australia. He didn't feel the need for some cook's assistant to first buy his steak in Switzerland and then have it shipped to cook in Australia for him.

I ESPECIALLY like how the authorities have waited until AFTER Contador's press conference bull**** to raise this little matter of evidenced plasticization. They waited to hear what bull**** Contador had concocted over the past few months before dropping that little side issue on his lying ****.

I wonder how Contador will respond now? I mean, it's not like he's had since August to think something up to deal with this one. He may need some time.

Maybe his cook's friend used unusual plastic blood bags to carry his Spanish steak to the TdF for him?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Nah, Contador's luck just ran out since there's indeed a 0.044% chance of finding meat positive for clenbutarol in Europe.

That percentage rises to 53% if the meat belongs to a professional cyclist.