Contador to swap wheels with Aru on stage 11

[Tyre Byter]

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#JusticeforAlejandro!


Absolutely THE funniest comment I have ever read on CN.
Thank you, LS!

 

[Miburo]

Did anyone cry when Contador lost 2 min in the first stage of the tour? That it was unfair?

It's cycling, get over it.

Fight back, like contador did in 2011.

Porte can still easy become 2nd. I personally don't think he can win since i don't see contador collapse.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Aye but it's ruined the race and much like we talk about Schleckgate, this will always cloud the victory of whoever wins, much better if the winning was done on the road not by the clearly incompetent Comms.

Yes it has killed a great deal of the excitement, but Porte is also to blame for this. If he really was feeling so good in the first week (never going into red), he should have done some attacking, instead of just relying on the individual time trial. Maybe the situation wouldn't have been so difficult now if he'd done that.

 

[Volderke]

The jury is made up of Italians and Spaniards. They probably won't even be punished.

The chairman of the jury is German.

 

[Bushman]

The jury is made up of Italians and Spaniards. They probably won't even be punished.

The chairman of the jury is German.

Shhh, dont ruin it!

It's all a conspiracy to hurt Team Sky as much as possible.

 

[Flamin]

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Did anyone cry when Contador lost 2 min in the first stage of the tour? That it was unfair?

Lol, don't start pushing it now, because definitely yes

 

[Miburo]

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Did anyone cry when Contador lost 2 min in the first stage of the tour? That it was unfair?

Lol, don't start pushing it now, because definitely yes

That it was unfair? It's cycling, *** happens.

It's the same are riding when someone crashed, that's the sport.

But most of the sky fans who watch cycling for 3 years don't know that yet.

 

[Flamin]

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Did anyone cry when Contador lost 2 min in the first stage of the tour? That it was unfair?

Lol, don't start pushing it now, because definitely yes

That it was unfair? It's cycling, **** happens.

It's the same are riding when someone crashed, that's the sport.

But most of the sky fans who watch cycling for 3 years don't know that yet.

You don't have to convince me of that, because I agree. I was just contesting the 'did anyone cry when Contador...', because that certainly happened as well.

 

[Gaul 58]

Great idea.... let Aru and Contador swop wheels then it would be level again.

To finish up with Condador winning the Giro by 1min 59sec over Porte now would be just daft.... I suspect even Contador would be a tad embarrassed.

 

[ppanther92]

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This reminds me of the Renshaw DQ in the 2010 Tour. After that, people pointed out examples of where people had been ejected from races for headbutting and where people had been ejected from races for recklessly endangering riders by driving them to the barriers - both things Renshaw did in the space of about 5 seconds that day - and still it was claimed as a terrible injustice against Renshaw.

People have pulled out prior examples such as Shpilevsky in Hainan and even Romain Sicard, a French GC leader in a French race, being penalised for taking a wheel from an opposition rider. And yet it's still unfair when it happens to Richie. It's not ideal as a situation, and it sucks that we're having to talk about it, but the precedent is there. While the rule may not be fully known about, it is pretty clear in its wording that mechanical assistance must not be given to members of opposing teams, and following from those prior examples, it is hard to argue that the penalty is not the correct call, disappointed though we may be.

Can't agree more. Also i don't think it will lead to discussions about the winner. Porte will lose more time for sure, so not really comparable to chaingate.

 

[ppanther92]

Also if you let Aru and Contador swap wheels, Landa has it in the bag.

 

[Miburo]

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Did anyone cry when Contador lost 2 min in the first stage of the tour? That it was unfair?

Lol, don't start pushing it now, because definitely yes

That it was unfair? It's cycling, **** happens.

It's the same are riding when someone crashed, that's the sport.

But most of the sky fans who watch cycling for 3 years don't know that yet.

You don't have to convince me of that, because I agree. I was just contesting the 'did anyone cry when Contador...', because that certainly happened as well.

No one was saying that andy and cadel had to wait 2 minutes so it was a fair world again.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Good idea. And when the next guy tests positive, everyone else should voluntarily stay out of the sport for 2 years.
Because we can't have a guy be at a disadvantage just because he broke the rules, right?

 

[rick james]

What's done is done and Porte has to deal with it, Portes big issue should be why didn't he have any team mates with him to swap wheels and why was the team car so far back??

 

[oncehadhair]

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This reminds me of the Renshaw DQ in the 2010 Tour. After that, people pointed out examples of where people had been ejected from races for headbutting and where people had been ejected from races for recklessly endangering riders by driving them to the barriers - both things Renshaw did in the space of about 5 seconds that day - and still it was claimed as a terrible injustice against Renshaw.

People have pulled out prior examples such as Shpilevsky in Hainan and even Romain Sicard, a French GC leader in a French race, being penalised for taking a wheel from an opposition rider. And yet it's still unfair when it happens to Richie. It's not ideal as a situation, and it sucks that we're having to talk about it, but the precedent is there. While the rule may not be fully known about, it is pretty clear in its wording that mechanical assistance must not be given to members of opposing teams, and following from those prior examples, it is hard to argue that the penalty is not the correct call, disappointed though we may be.

All right expert then why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider gets a draught from another team's car (or even their own for that matter) or why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider takes food or drink from another team's handler. Or why not when the mechanic pushes the bike along when pretending to work on a wheel/seat/derailleur or when the handler passes the rider a drink or gel then proceeds to push the rider along.

I'm ok if they want to apply the penalty but they have to do it to everyone and they have to be consistent with it.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

If this was done then they both should be kicked out of the race, there is so much wrong with this idea, it is totally wrong.

 

[SergeDeM]

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This reminds me of the Renshaw DQ in the 2010 Tour. After that, people pointed out examples of where people had been ejected from races for headbutting and where people had been ejected from races for recklessly endangering riders by driving them to the barriers - both things Renshaw did in the space of about 5 seconds that day - and still it was claimed as a terrible injustice against Renshaw.

People have pulled out prior examples such as Shpilevsky in Hainan and even Romain Sicard, a French GC leader in a French race, being penalised for taking a wheel from an opposition rider. And yet it's still unfair when it happens to Richie. It's not ideal as a situation, and it sucks that we're having to talk about it, but the precedent is there. While the rule may not be fully known about, it is pretty clear in its wording that mechanical assistance must not be given to members of opposing teams, and following from those prior examples, it is hard to argue that the penalty is not the correct call, disappointed though we may be.

All right expert then why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider gets a draught from another team's car (or even their own for that matter) or why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider takes food or drink from another team's handler. Or why not when the mechanic pushes the bike along when pretending to work on a wheel/seat/derailleur or when the handler passes the rider a drink or gel then proceeds to push the rider along.

I'm ok if they want to apply the penalty but they have to do it to everyone and they have to be consistent with it.

So you should be OK with this penalty as it's been applied consistently over the years. Your examples are for different rules.

 

[fatsprintking]

If the main contenders choose to wait 2 meters from the finish after Porte finished, should they be disqualified? We are happy for a rider to "wait" aren't we?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The butthurt from the Sky fans is hilarious.

 

[phanatic]

Porte to swap wheels with Kreuziger and Landa.

 

[red_flanders]

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To finish up with Condador winning the Giro by 1min 59sec over Porte now would be just daft.... I suspect even Contador would be a tad embarrassed.

Right, because Porte being 3 minutes down doesn't change the race tactics at all.

 

[phanatic]

Contador to put an extra two minutes into all of Porte's rivals for second to even the score.

 

[oncehadhair]

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This reminds me of the Renshaw DQ in the 2010 Tour. After that, people pointed out examples of where people had been ejected from races for headbutting and where people had been ejected from races for recklessly endangering riders by driving them to the barriers - both things Renshaw did in the space of about 5 seconds that day - and still it was claimed as a terrible injustice against Renshaw.

People have pulled out prior examples such as Shpilevsky in Hainan and even Romain Sicard, a French GC leader in a French race, being penalised for taking a wheel from an opposition rider. And yet it's still unfair when it happens to Richie. It's not ideal as a situation, and it sucks that we're having to talk about it, but the precedent is there. While the rule may not be fully known about, it is pretty clear in its wording that mechanical assistance must not be given to members of opposing teams, and following from those prior examples, it is hard to argue that the penalty is not the correct call, disappointed though we may be.

All right expert then why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider gets a draught from another team's car (or even their own for that matter) or why don't they invoke the penalty when a rider takes food or drink from another team's handler. Or why not when the mechanic pushes the bike along when pretending to work on a wheel/seat/derailleur or when the handler passes the rider a drink or gel then proceeds to push the rider along.

I'm ok if they want to apply the penalty but they have to do it to everyone and they have to be consistent with it.

So you should be OK with this penalty as it's been applied consistently over the years. Your examples are for different rules.

As I said in another thread, one example in the last six years does not demonstrate this rule's consistent application - more supports the idea that it is applied as inconsistently as many other rules are.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Contador to put an extra two minutes into all of Porte's rivals for second to even the score.

That would require Porte to hang on though

 

[jflemaire]

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Portes big issue should be why didn't he have any team mates with him to swap wheels and why was the team car so far back??

He had a teammate, cleary visible on the photos, waiting for Clarke and Porte to finish swapping wheels. Which basically means that at that time Sky had 10 riders in the race, not 9, which is so obviously unfair that arguing about this makes no sense.