Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Red Rick]

Not them racing together but as of now Roglic scheduled for Vuelta and Evenepoel the Tour. If Evenepoel keeps performing like he just did in UAE, no way they don’t bring Rogic to Tour.

I'm 90% sure they will anyway. It's not like Evenepoel was flying at any point before the Tour de France in 2024.

 

[Berniece]

I'm 90% sure they will anyway. It's not like Evenepoel was flying at any point before the Tour de France in 2024.

It's not like he had a chance to show that. The race he could finally show it, Basque, he crashed out

 

[Salvarani]

I'm 90% sure they will anyway. It's not like Evenepoel was flying at any point before the Tour de France in 2024.

Went from being dropped by 7-8 riders in Dauphine to at least climb with Vinge here and there in the Tour

 

[Berniece]

Indeed, they never promised him a co-leadership in that Tour, or any other race with Pogacar.

Matxin:

"His teammates know perfectly well that Tadej Pogacar is the number one in the world; you only have to read the interviews with Almeida and Yates after their various victories in Switzerland. I think it's a very close-knit team. And above all, when I talk to riders about coming here, I'm very clear from the start. Guys like Adam Yates, like Sivakov, like Wellens and Politt, know they'll have their space, but when Tadej is there, we race for him. These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract. I'm not the one who makes them sign, but I only have one word, and that has to be respected. When Almeida and Ayuso asked me to come to the Tour, I told them it was fine, but that we would race with the idea of a single leader, and nothing would be done differently from what we had decided," he concluded.


Are there still doubts? Ayuso was never promised to be a co-leader on that tour.

These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract.

@Berniece

He knew who he was ahead him and that he wouldn't be a co-leader with him. We're not talking about a first contract without knowing what's involved; it was his responsibility to extend it with those conditions. And if he did, it's because he didn't see such mistreatment by the team.
Ayuso's problem is that he had a worse season than Almeida and Del Toro, not the supposed dictatorship of Pogacar under which he wanted to renew his contract.

You always ask for quotes. I've quoted what Matxin said about the contracts and the 2024 Tour.
It would be good if you cited where it says Ayuso would be a co-leader or that his contract included those other conditions.

Isola 2000, con Matxin nei giorni di Pogacar in altura - bici.PRO

Dopo il Giro di Svizzera e il Giro Next Gen, Matxin ha raggiunto Pogacar e il gruppo Tour a Isola 2000, fra allenamenti, scherzi e corse viste in tv

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This is what I heard.
"It goes so far that during contract negotiations, it is mentioned that Ayuso has to ride one Grand Tour a year without Pogacar so that he is the lead rider."

Not completely as I remembered it, because I thought it was 1 GT per year as leader. But apparently it's 1 GT per year as leader as long as Pogacar isn't riding it. Now you know where I was coming from.

Zonneveld questions UAE's strategy in gravel stage: "They know Ayuso will leave one day"

Monday is a rest day in the Giro d'Italia, so there is plenty of time to discuss what has happened so far in the Tour of Italy. Especially after Wout van Aert won the ninth stage, it was not difficult...

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[CyclistAbi]

The issue between Pedersen and Ayuso will be on stages when Pedersen is supported and Ayuso has less and something potentially occurs to Ayuso. Pedersen can also do domestique duties, but will he go all in like WVA has done at risk of his own success. Ciccone runs the risk of doing to Ayuso what Ayuso did to Almeida in last year’s Vuelta. Good thing we will get to see Skjelmose and Ayuso race together soon. There’s a reason Ayuso was having issues and it’s not all just UAE. He left a team that was very young centric and joined one that is team orientated.

Only thing Bora should look at changing is potentially having Roglic go but that depends a lot on how Evenpoel’s season turns out.

Ayuso stayed second until rumors and the statement came out that he was leaving. Even then he got to do whatever he wanted in the Vuelta.

IMHO you do want Pedersen in the team, he is a big personality and i don't perceive him as all that selfish, he can even climb. I like Ciccone but i don't feel he will go for GC at the Tour 2026, he is more of a specialist for winning a stage. On what kind of relationship they will have with Skjelmose, that remains to be seen. Likely they will simply ride for themself until one comes on top. In terms of the Tour 2026. After the other can prove to be a valuable weapon for the team. All in all, worst case, they will be fighting on who if the favourite child and not the second favourite one, tough life.

As for Rogla and Remco i feel they will manage just fine. Currently it seems they chose separate schedules but at some point i feel that symbiosis has so many potential that even if there is currently some fear involved they can overcome that. If they will rather choose not to then individually they can both still win some. Lets not forget Rogla was offered support role and stage hunting for the Tour, that IMHO is an offer to decline, Remco wouldn't accept it either. So management need to do their part better also, support excellence.

Correct he never was but Matxin always pushed and backed him as if he was or number 1 in some cases. Eventually that become hard for Matxin to do and back no matter what he said or did as actions, results and performance always proved him and Ayuso wrong.

The talk now of him coming out and winning Algarve is the true Ayuso and Trek is better etc, this however is typical of his early season results even on UAE. He would be storming and the not deliver in major goals like Giro, Tour or Vuelta. No, he did not get voiced at the Tour when he went home, he was sent home due to actions.

At UAE Ayuso was a perfect scapegoat and majority just went with it as it suited them. At Lidl-Trek they are not good enough, to play such games in the first place. All in all they will be fine. At UAE it will be interesting to see on what happens when del Toro makes his move. It's bound to happen, appetite is too high not to do so.