Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[Netserk]

If we aren’t going to take into account what journalists say they heard you are not going to like the transfers and rumours thread

no one does so uncritically

like i dont believe vingegaard considers a transfer to unox just because a journo likes to make *** up

 

[Salvarani]

If we aren’t going to take into account what journalists say they heard you are not going to like the transfers and rumours thread

We are not gonna care if journalists "misquote" riders either then, right?

 

[Berniece]

no one does so uncritically

like i dont believe vingegaard considers a transfer to unox just because a journo likes to make *** up

Sure, but this doesn’t come from a single journalist, and has been repeated a couple of times already

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Sure, but this doesn’t come from a single journalist, and has been repeated a couple of times already

If that's the case then Ayuso was an idiot to even take part in 2024 Tour knowing it'll be all in for Tadej (instead of choosing another GT with guaranteed leadership). Then again, I'm not necessarily buying this guarantee in contract rumours. He himself said in 2024 that Tadej was the Tour leader.

 

[Unchained]

Sorry, but Ayuso is not a victim and shares responsibility for this situation.

In 2024 Tour, the hierarchy was clearly defined, and he made statements before the Tour and in the race he didn't respect the team and the hierarchy.

Besides, he can't complain; he's been leading races since he was 19. Del Toro worked morr for him in 2024 season than Ayuso's ever done for a Tour de France winner on the same team.
Remember also that Almeida is losing Catalunya and Ayuso has been attacking.
There have been several instances of disrespect shown to the hierarchy by someone who has been supported for years.
Let's also remember that, despite his statements at last years Vuelta , Jay Vine helped him win a stage.

This bullying narrative doesn't hold.

I hardly think UAE management, not managing makes Juan Ayuso or Del Toro victims. And I also don't get any reference about bullying, if being completely ignored is bullying, then certainly Juan Ayuso was bullied. I think just dismissing his condition and then management going radio silent, suddenly not having answers or comments, was surely special circumstances, UAE usually has elaborate plans for everything, everyone. Juan was given a clear signal, sit down, shut up, follow orders to the letter or else . Once immature Ayuso went into a mode of physically and verbally showing his discontent he was sunk. Leader, leadership at a bizarre situation at the Giro should have been made clear by UAE management, not a couple of 21 year old that just kept looking at each other trying to figure out how to answer questions without insulting one another.
Maybe another thing about UAE damage control is being revealed by Soler saga, has UAE been told that it will blow over..or are they just ignoring possible personnel hand grenade , waiting for a damaging blow from Soler family misdeeds. It does not seem that they are too worried about it.
Video is available during the dead zone of the race, Del Toro being asked if he was the leader, if he was taking over for Juan Ayuso, first absolute no, second time a not so definitive no..3 time, suddenly UAE director sitting with Del Toro, I guess so they could keep the story straight. And at some point Del Toro was given the go ahead about saying publicly what he had already been told in private and what was fairly obvious, UAE had moved on from Ayuso..

View: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/cxlzXyTlgHg


Pretty uneventful.. It's just my opinion I think UAE treated Juan Ayuso like a piece of sh##. I have reasons for thinking that..and others have reasons to think I am wrong. I completely accept that. The label of victim is pretty dramatic, just people behaving badly in my opinion. There doesn't have to be a victim, seldom that black and white.

 

[jotafap]

Whether or not he had a clause in his contract is irrelevant, all this discussion about it is beyond me. He was assigned to the Tour 2024 team as a domestique. End of story. He must follow the instructions of his team leadership, else, he has no place in that team, as it ended up happening.
Calling Pogacar’s leadership a dictatorship is completely ridiculous, it’s pure nonsense from the haters.

 

[Cycling111]

I just want to remind that Ayuso renewed his contract after Pogacar won his second Tour. He wouldn't have extended the contract if they treated him badly. The biggest responsibility lies with him, he knew he had another leader ahead of him, and he renewed his contract.

 

[Cycling111]

Hence Ayuso was probably promised a co-leadership.

That's not true. Matxin gave an interview before that Tour and said that Ayuso was the one who asked to go to the Tour and that he (Matxin) told him the condition for taking him was that he accept Pogacar as the leader and that Ayuso should be domestique.

That was said by Matxin, who was Ayuso's biggest supporter, so there's no question that Ayuso wasn't promised a co-leadership of the Tour.

It was Ayuso who distanced herself by making other statements, and Matxin had to explain again that no, they were going with a single leader and that the condition they set for Ayuso and Almeida was to accept that.
So, It was Ayuso who asked to go to the Tour and the management told him he wouldn't be the leader.

 

[Salvarani]

As I said in my post earlier, when it was decided that all of them 4 go to the Tour, Fairly sure Vingegaard was the overwhelming favourite.
Hence Ayuso was probably promised a co-leadership.

I dont think he was "promised" anything.

Ayuso wanted to be a part of the Tour team going into 2024. He wanted to ride the Tour. He got that, but most likely told under which premises and that the team still comes first. He must have surely agreed to that or he wouldnt be there, unless he had other motives and just said what everybody wanted to hear from him so he could go.

It feels evidently clear by the reactions from his teammates, that Ayuso did something he wasnt supposed to do. Leading them to be upset with him and them not trusting him anymore. Creating bad vibes within the team in the middle of a GT.

 

[Cycling111]

I dont think he was "promised" anything.

Ayuso wanted to be a part of the Tour team going into 2024. He wanted to ride the Tour. He got that, but most likely told under which premises and that the team still comes first. He must have surely agreed to that or he wouldnt be there, unless he had other motives and just said what everybody wanted to hear from him so he could go.

It feels evidently clear by the reactions from his teammates, that Ayuso did something he wasnt supposed to do. Leading them to be upset with him and them not trusting him anymore. Creating bad vibes within the team in the middle of a GT.

Indeed, they never promised him a co-leadership in that Tour, or any other race with Pogacar.

Matxin:

"His teammates know perfectly well that Tadej Pogacar is the number one in the world; you only have to read the interviews with Almeida and Yates after their various victories in Switzerland. I think it's a very close-knit team. And above all, when I talk to riders about coming here, I'm very clear from the start. Guys like Adam Yates, like Sivakov, like Wellens and Politt, know they'll have their space, but when Tadej is there, we race for him. These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract. I'm not the one who makes them sign, but I only have one word, and that has to be respected. When Almeida and Ayuso asked me to come to the Tour, I told them it was fine, but that we would race with the idea of a single leader, and nothing would be done differently from what we had decided," he concluded.


Are there still doubts? Ayuso was never promised to be a co-leader on that tour.

These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract.

@Berniece

He knew who he was ahead him and that he wouldn't be a co-leader with him. We're not talking about a first contract without knowing what's involved; it was his responsibility to extend it with those conditions. And if he did, it's because he didn't see such mistreatment by the team.
Ayuso's problem is that he had a worse season than Almeida and Del Toro, not the supposed dictatorship of Pogacar under which he wanted to renew his contract.

You always ask for quotes. I've quoted what Matxin said about the contracts and the 2024 Tour.
It would be good if you cited where it says Ayuso would be a co-leader or that his contract included those other conditions.

Isola 2000, con Matxin nei giorni di Pogacar in altura - bici.PRO

Dopo il Giro di Svizzera e il Giro Next Gen, Matxin ha raggiunto Pogacar e il gruppo Tour a Isola 2000, fra allenamenti, scherzi e corse viste in tv

bici.pro

 

[Salvarani]

Indeed, they never promised him a co-leadership in that Tour, or any other race with Pogacar.

Matxin:

"His teammates know perfectly well that Tadej Pogacar is the number one in the world; you only have to read the interviews with Almeida and Yates after their various victories in Switzerland. I think it's a very close-knit team. And above all, when I talk to riders about coming here, I'm very clear from the start. Guys like Adam Yates, like Sivakov, like Wellens and Politt, know they'll have their space, but when Tadej is there, we race for him. These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract. I'm not the one who makes them sign, but I only have one word, and that has to be respected. When Almeida and Ayuso asked me to come to the Tour, I told them it was fine, but that we would race with the idea of a single leader, and nothing would be done differently from what we had decided," he concluded.


Are there still doubts? Ayuso was never promised to be a co-leader on that tour.

These are the conditions we set even before signing the contract.


He knew who he was ahead him and that he wouldn't be a co-leader with him. We're not talking about a first contract without knowing what's involved; it was his responsibility to extend it with those conditions. And if he did, it's because he didn't see such mistreatment by the team.
Ayuso's problem is that he had a worse season than Almeida and Del Toro, not the supposed dictatorship of Pogacar under which he wanted to renew his contract.

You always ask for quotes. I've quoted what Matxin said about the contracts and the 2024 Tour.
It would be good if you cited where it says Ayuso would be a co-leader or that his contract included those other conditions.

Isola 2000, con Matxin nei giorni di Pogacar in altura - bici.PRO

Dopo il Giro di Svizzera e il Giro Next Gen, Matxin ha raggiunto Pogacar e il gruppo Tour a Isola 2000, fra allenamenti, scherzi e corse viste in tv

bici.pro

Assuming you responding to someone else with the quotes thing

 

[Cycling111]

Assuming you responding to someone else with the quotes thing

The quotes thing are Matxin's words; it was to give continuity to your message and confirm that they had not promised him anything.

The last part was for Berniece because of what he said about the contract terms.
Edit and quoted him.