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Ataraxus said:
Yes, but on the other climbs he only gained a few seconds on Contador, on Bola he was able to ceate a significant gap and really dropped him.
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Yes, but on the other climbs he only gained a few seconds on Contador, on Bola he was able to ceate a significant gap and really dropped him.
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The battle at Tirreno-Adriatico should be amazing. Froome vs Contador vs Nibali vs Quinatana. Meanwhile, Kittel vs Cavendish vs Sagan vs Viviani in the sprints. Hope this lives up to the expectations!
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Poursuivant said:
He'll race but I don't have many hopes he'll do good. Too many problems, too many assignments, too weak team, too little training. Hope I'm wrong.
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PremierAndrew said:Pretty unfair on Nibali. Don't forget what happened on the cobbles last year, and guess what, there are cobbles this year too
This video sums up Froome v Contador v Quintana v Nibali pretty nicely imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A) Nothing happened on the cobbles last year.
B) Cobbles don't count (only climbing and TT'ing)
How much of an effect will team strength have in the battle between both guy's this year. Both team's looking pretty strong on paper. Will Sky go out and set a steady pace on the front or as we have seen in Ruta de Sol put on a relentless pace and try and attack and blow guys out the back with the change of pace. I personally think Sky have a more balanced team with the sole aim of winning for Froome whereas Tinkoff will have the Sagan dilemma to deal with. On the other hand I feel that Contador's number 2 Majka is stronger than Porte who will also have the added burden of coming off the Giro.
Any thoughts on this plus team selections??
Any thoughts on this plus team selections??
hayzer114 said:
Its hard ot know if Majka is a stronger DOMESTIQUE than Porte ....Winning 2 stages of the Tour is very different than being the last man up there for last 2 KM on every climb
I think Sagan will be an issue as he will be riding for Green Jersey (Or so Tinkov said earlier) and will need help to chase breakaways etc if he realistically wants to win the Jersey...which could mean a less fresh team for Contador
Then we don't know about Kreuziger (who I think was a fantastic dom in 2013) ...will he ride and if so will he be 100%
All round I think SKY have the stronger climbing team on paper but there are the cobbles and cross winds....its hard to know
Movistar have a very strong team and as have Astana (who may not be in the Tour)
Last year everyone talked about SKY and TCS but in the end Astana were the strongest where it counted most ...on the cobbles
Team for TCS = Contador, Rogers, Majka, Basso, Kiserloski , Hernanzez, Bodnar, Sagan, Bennatti (Kreuziger won't ride the Tour IMO)
Team SKY = Froome, Porte, Roche,Nieve, Poels, Konig, Stannard, Thomas, Kireyenka (Kennaugh may ride instead of Konig or Kireyenka if form is better)
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Majka showed at the 2012 Vuelta that he is a brilliant domestique
I think Tinkoff-Saxo team will be
Contador
Sagan
Valgren
Tosatto
Bennati
Rogers
Majka
Hernandez
Kreuziger/Kiserlovski
Alberto will demand Tosatto over Bodnar I think.. and I believe Basso will only ride il Giro.
I think Tinkoff-Saxo team will be
Contador
Sagan
Valgren
Tosatto
Bennati
Rogers
Majka
Hernandez
Kreuziger/Kiserlovski
Alberto will demand Tosatto over Bodnar I think.. and I believe Basso will only ride il Giro.
I think the reason Quintana and Nibali aren't considered at the level of Froome and Contador is because they have not outright beaten them on the grand stage. Both won a GT last year, but neither faced Froome or Contador. I also think those last two have never faced each other on an equal level apart from the start of the Dauphin? last year and the Ruta del Sol this year. In the Vuelta 2012, Froome was tired from the Tour, in 2013 Contador wasn't up to his level, their first crossing of swords in 2014 was at Catalunya, where Froome was recovering from illness and was behind on racing. At the Dauphin?, they both started out well, but then Froome crashed. In the Vuelta, Froome's form was clearly behind Contador's, because he was unable to do any of his usual accellerations.
Apart from that, I think Sky has more superdomestiques for Froome in the mountains than fit in the team, while Tinkoff-Saxo has not for Contador.
Froome, Porte, Nieve, K?nig, Roche, Thomas, Kennaugh, Poels, Kiryienka and Siutsou for Sky
Contador, Kreuziger, Majka, Basso, Rogers, Kiserlovski and Hern?ndez for Tinkoff-Saxo
Apart from that, I think Sky has more superdomestiques for Froome in the mountains than fit in the team, while Tinkoff-Saxo has not for Contador.
Froome, Porte, Nieve, K?nig, Roche, Thomas, Kennaugh, Poels, Kiryienka and Siutsou for Sky
Contador, Kreuziger, Majka, Basso, Rogers, Kiserlovski and Hern?ndez for Tinkoff-Saxo
Its clear to me that Contador needs his strongest team at the Tour where the competition is higher and he is not as fresh
Surely Basso sould be at the Tour ....While Tossato is a strong dom Bodnar is currently a superior rider and TTer and very strong...would make sense to bring him to the Tour....while Tossato at the Giro
I also do not think Roche will not be in the Tour given his expereince and how he can ride on flat & mountains ...Kennaugh is excellent but not as strong imo on 3 week tour ....However he could get a place over Konig if Konig is knackered after the Giro
Surely Basso sould be at the Tour ....While Tossato is a strong dom Bodnar is currently a superior rider and TTer and very strong...would make sense to bring him to the Tour....while Tossato at the Giro
I also do not think Roche will not be in the Tour given his expereince and how he can ride on flat & mountains ...Kennaugh is excellent but not as strong imo on 3 week tour ....However he could get a place over Konig if Konig is knackered after the Giro
inthepink said:
Ne needs a team that bombs the TTT and is able to create destruction in the key stages. I think they have very good riders for both.
They don't need train-riding like at Sky ( Nieve, Porte, Kennaugh, Roche, Thomas) but a good overall team - which they have - and a couple of riders who can shake up the peleton like Majka Kiserlovski and Rogers/Basso.
1-2 teammates accelerate out of nowhere and Majka lits the fire. Let's see who from Sky can follow Majka if he is in good form.
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inthepink said:
Seriously, why do you think the team select Hernandez for every race with Contador? Not because he's such a strong rider. No, he's selected because Contador wants him to be selected. That's why I think Tosatto will be selected too. Contador wants Tosatto at his side. The only problem I see is that Sagan might want to have Bodnar with him.
About Basso, I found this article that says he'll do Giro-Tour
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/basso-ready-for-tinkoff-saxo-debut-at-ruta-del-sol
Imo it would be better to let him peak for the Giro. Alberto needs 1 really strong climber with him at the Giro. Basso could be that climber but not if he has to ride with the TDF in the back of his mind. I think Majka, Rogers and Kiserlovski/Kreuziger should be enough climbing power, Sky will do most of the work anyway. I'd rather see Valgren/Tosatto in Basso's place.
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Netserk said:
No, 2 of the last 3 mountain stages. Stage 18 is the Verbania stage with nothing but flat before Olongo, stage 19 is Cervinia but you have Saint-Barthelemy and Saint-Pantaleon before it, not the best stage, but 236km long and 2 decent climbs before Cervinia, someone could attack on those but no one will because of the Finestre stage on the next day. Stage 20 is dead flat before Finestre, don't get me started on that, I want at least Moncenisio from Susa before Finestre, that would make a big difference.
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I think Froome is two points above Contador in a real competition with several hard days, long stages an long climbs at about 7 %, and long ITT.
But in that kind of climb, it is note the same that if you are in a 20 %, he need a strong team to drop Contador, becouse he has not the incredible aceleration of Contador (or Valverde, Purito).
As the same time an small diference in power in a km at 10 % makes mmore diference, than in two km at 7 %, but if Froome can go alone 5 Km at 7 %, he will make a big diference, at leats with contador, nor with Quintana, that I think froome mus put him time on the ITT and cobbles, becouse in the mountains Froome will be happy if he just can follow him every day.
Contador and Nibali, by other hand, are very clever in race, and they could make the difference with a good strategy, taking risk, etc...
But in that kind of climb, it is note the same that if you are in a 20 %, he need a strong team to drop Contador, becouse he has not the incredible aceleration of Contador (or Valverde, Purito).
As the same time an small diference in power in a km at 10 % makes mmore diference, than in two km at 7 %, but if Froome can go alone 5 Km at 7 %, he will make a big diference, at leats with contador, nor with Quintana, that I think froome mus put him time on the ITT and cobbles, becouse in the mountains Froome will be happy if he just can follow him every day.
Contador and Nibali, by other hand, are very clever in race, and they could make the difference with a good strategy, taking risk, etc...
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ILovecycling said:You mean the one when he lost 10 minutes in one stage?
No, the fearsome Ax3-Domaines Porte. The second best climber in the world Porte. You never know which Porte you gonna get but if it's that Porte, that Porte is challenge for anyone.
Dr. Juice said:
You are totally deluded with comments that SKY can't shake it up while TCS "a couple of riders who can shake up the peleton like Majka Kiserlovski and Rogers/Basso" can...Why is this one side blind obsession not kept over in the Contador thread and save this for reasonable discussion...
And SKy have lots of riders who can follow Majka ....Porte, KOnig, Nieve, etc
This is just more fan boy kidology ...
I really was hoping for reasonable un biased debate ....I don't know why I bother
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inthepink said:
Yes, please don't bother anymore, because you clearly did not understand what the poster you are replying to wrote in their post. That is your problem not theirs.
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