Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[Netserk]

I also laugh at his unability to hide his anglophone/germanic bias, singling out wiggins, phinney, martin and cancellara as future candidates for the hour record.
the rampant numbers of italian, south american and russian positives under his reign make more sense in that light.

Lol que?

Who else would you mention if you had to mention four? I'd probably pick the same four names and I don't think I have an anglophone/germanic bias. Maybe it's just the case that anglophone/germanic riders focus more on TT/track.

 

[sniper]

Lol que?

Who else would you mention if you had to mention four? I'd probably pick the same four names and I don't think I have an anglophone/germanic bias. Maybe it's just the case that anglophone/germanic riders focus more on TT/track.

1 Tony Martin (Germany) 1:05:36.65
2 Bradley Wiggins (Great Britain) 0:00:46.09
3 Fabian Cancellara (Switzerland) 0:00:48.34
4 Vasil Kiryienka (Belarus) 0:01:26.01
5 Taylor Phinney (United States of America)

to give just 1 example.

and may i remind you a certain Jens Voigt, 43, a TT nobody, just crushed the record.
iow he could have named basically everybody from the current peloton as potential candidates.
(or name nobody in particular).

 

[Dear Wiggo]

fair enough,
but may i remind you a certain Jens Voigt, 43, just crushed the record.
iow he could have named basically everybody from the current peloton as potential candidates.
(or name nobody in particular).

I think the names he mentioned are the top, well known TTers, and that's it. I do not think there is any nation-specific bias at play in that statement.

 

[Netserk]

1 Tony Martin (Germany) 1:05:36.65
2 Bradley Wiggins (Great Britain) 0:00:46.09
3 Fabian Cancellara (Switzerland) 0:00:48.34
4 Vasil Kiryienka (Belarus) 0:01:26.01
5 Taylor Phinney (United States of America)

to give just 1 example.

and may i remind you a certain Jens Voigt, 43, a TT nobody, just crushed the record.
iow he could have named basically everybody from the current peloton as potential candidates.
(or name nobody in particular).

What track experience does Kiry have? I doubt it's more than Phinney. If I had to name a fifth rider it would probably be Quaade, but I certainly don't blame Cookie for not naming him.

 

[doperhopper]

unreal.

Voigt was attending Livestrong charity parties still in 2012.

how about HourStrong anti-age supplement brand - shut your years with Jensie

 

[sniper]

I think the names he mentioned are the top, well known TTers, and that's it. I do not think there is any nation-specific bias at play in that statement.

What track experience does Kiry have? I doubt it's more than Phinney. If I had to name a fifth name it would probably be Quaade, but I certainly don't blame Cookie for not naming him.

fair enough.

but some bias on the part of Cookson and UCI, i think, is difficult to deny.

To the many who have raised the issue of a certain women's team kit, we are on the case. It is unacceptable by any standard of decency.

i reckon he would not have tweeted that if it were, say, Rabobank Liv's kit, now would he.
or try imagining the following UCI statement replacing "Colombian" with "British" or "Dutch".

"The UCI will be sending a letter to the Colombian Federation reminding them of their responsibility regarding article 1.3.046 in the control of regional and club team kits that compete in international events."

I think it's time for a Hispanic/Lusophone/Italian UCI president

 

[Netserk]

How about we only blame him for things he either has done (that he shouldn't) or things he hasn't done (that he should), not things we imagine he could've done (or not done)?

 

[sniper]

How about we only blame him for things he either has done (that he shouldn't) or things he hasn't done (that he should), not things we imagine he could've done (or not done)?

very fair.
so as i said, i think the guy breaths bias, which he shouldn't.
while i recognize the example wrt those 4 TT-ers was not the best of illustrations, imo he has the words "pro-anglophone/germanic" bias written all over his face. i think it's visible in many of his (and UCI's) statements and wouldn't be surprised if it correlates with the nationalities of doping positives.

such a bias shouldn't surprise anyone considering where he's from and considering which markets he wants to open.

i wouldn't be surprised if the number of hispanic/italian and russian positives (vs. the scarcity of german, dutch and anglophone positives) is an expression of that bias.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Well what you say makes no sense whatsoever

The list of positives could well come from the fact that the best laboratories and medical assistance is normally found in western europe - UK and germany have some of the most advanced medical research in the world so athletes from these countries will have access to newer drugs without tests available yet.
Secondly what markets is cookson looking to break open
The UCI has stated that the BRIC economies are their focus and so we would expect him to have a chinese and indian focus predominantly as lets face it Brazil didn't take to cycling through the olympics so not much left to try there and russia has it's issues which I am sure Cookson doesn't want to get involved in right now.

He is english and has come through the system so knows a lot more about english riders

Stop trying to find something that isn't there and concentrate on what is wrong with the sport if you want to try to look at things to fix.

 

[Hawkwood]

very fair.
so as i said, i think the guy breaths bias, which he shouldn't.
while i recognize the example wrt those 4 TT-ers was not the best of illustrations, imo he has the words "pro-anglophone/germanic" bias written all over his face. i think it's visible in many of his (and UCI's) statements and wouldn't be surprised if it correlates with the nationalities of doping positives.

such a bias shouldn't surprise anyone considering where he's from and considering which markets he wants to open.

i wouldn't be surprised if the number of hispanic/italian and russian positives (vs. the scarcity of german, dutch and anglophone positives) is an expression of that bias.

Have I missed something, why would Cookson be pro-germanic?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Have I missed something, why would Cookson be pro-germanic?

Cause the Queen is German and that means every British person loves Germany. Don't you keep up with these things? It's in the memo.

 

[roundabout]

What track experience does Kiry have? I doubt it's more than Phinney. If I had to name a fifth rider it would probably be Quaade, but I certainly don't blame Cookie for not naming him.

More than your average pro I would say

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Kiryienka

 

[Netserk]

More than your average pro I would say

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Kiryienka

I still doubt it's more than Phinney.

But yeah it is certainly more than I thought, but I don't think he'd do better than Phinney would (at his best).

 

[SeriousSam]

Have I missed something, why would Cookson be pro-germanic?

Because he's identified Germany as the next big market cycling seeks to grow in. Cookson is pro more-money-for-cycling as he should.

 

[laurel1969]

It needs to be said.

These tour stages in britain confirms to me that there is a huge cycling boom going on there. Every cat 4 climb looking like alpe d'huez.. its too much.

And as with any religion, the people need to believe. A sky positive would mean the british cycling empire goes down the drain, so Im sure Cookson will do everything in his power to prevent that.

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I've send this link to JTL.

He says you are trolling.

 

[Hawkwood]

Cause the Queen is German and that means every British person loves Germany. Don't you keep up with these things? It's in the memo.

Sorry I'm old school, bring back the Plantagenets, you knew where you stood with a French royal house ruling England

 

[Benotti69]

Have I missed something, why would Cookson be pro-germanic?

Is he pro Germanic or pro Trek? I think Pro Trek.

 

[kingjr]

sniper riding the anglo-germanic bull**** horse again, what a surprise.

 

[mrhender]

sniper riding the anglo-germanic bull**** horse again, what a surprise.

It's just speculation.
No-one is right in this matter. Even Cookson could be unaware of the truth in this matter... However I do agree that we are not at a stage where the claim should be taken seriously..

 

[kingjr]

It's just speculation.

Yeah, it's just that he does it aaaall the time.

 

[mrhender]

Yeah, it's just that he does it aaaall the time.

Not about "him".. Speculation is a common thing on foras such as these..
For example: You can't proove to be clean, thus speculation is something you have to deal with/accept... Sometimes years go by without/before confirmation of these speculations. But no-one can be right before someone is prooven guilty of any given offense.. Speculation will win from time to time, the opposite opinion can only lose...

 

[sniper]

Have I missed something, why would Cookson be pro-germanic?

yes you have.

Because he's identified Germany as the next big market cycling seeks to grow in.

indeed he has, it was in a recent interview(linked upthread) where he expressed his desire to open up the german market .

Cookson is pro more-money-for-cycling as he should.

yup, agreed. hence i'd be surprised to find out he doesn't have a pro-germanic / pro-anglophone bias. it's merely plausible.

thanks @mrhender for pointing out that indeed it's mostly just speculation.
otoh, his pro-sky stance (e.g. wrt froome's TUE) is fairly well documented (e.g. in this thread). And so is Cookson giving the Columbian federation a hard time over a non-issue.

 

[DirtyWorks]

yup, agreed. hence i'd be surprised to find out he doesn't have a pro-germanic / pro-anglophone bias. it's merely plausible.

He's pro Euros. It doesn't matter where they come from. Germany has plenty.

I seem to recall talk of a German team on the WT.

 

[sniper]

He's pro Euros. It doesn't matter where they come from. Germany has plenty.

not sure. it's the small things that count.
last year he tweeted this:

Congratulations Chris Froome on a brilliant ride in today's stage of the Tour de France. Epic performances all round. A superb spectacle.

this year? not a single tweet congratulating either Nibali or Contador for their victories.
but three tweets celebrating Voigt.

 

[Benotti69]

Close the Clinic, Cookson has made Cycling cleanER

http://road.cc/content/news/130771-cycling-leads-world-sports-anti-doping-says-cookson

I am so happy, Quintana, Nibali and Contador turned their back on doping to win. All is well with cycling