Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

[Benotti69]

UCI has created an independent tribunal to decide on anti-doping cases rather than having the national federations rule on cases. Tribunal should be set to start in 2015. UCI claims this will ensure consistency among rulings, keep cases from dragging out, and reduce the number of appeals to CAS. Hmm. . . .

Source (article is in Spanish)

Anything UCI has created to date has been anything but impartial......

 

[fmk_RoI]

Source (article is in Spanish)

Why waste time with a Spanish version when you can read it in English: http://uci.ch/pressreleases/uci-management-committee-agrees-key-decisions/

the 14 member Management Committee proposed the establishment of an Anti-doping Tribunal to deal with cases involving international athletes, instead of these disciplinary proceedings being delegated to National Federations.

The tribunal would be made up of judges specialised in anti-doping, fully independent of the UCI, with the aim to provide all top level athletes with the same consistent process and a clear, short timetable. This should ensure consistency and uniform quality in the decisions, significantly reduce the number of cases that go to CAS on appeal and lift the operational burden from the National Federations.

After consultation with National Federations, the tribunal should be ready to start operating in 2015.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

UCI has created an independent tribunal to decide on anti-doping cases rather than having the national federations rule on cases. Tribunal should be set to start in 2015. UCI claims this will ensure consistency among rulings, keep cases from dragging out, and reduce the number of appeals to CAS. Hmm. . . .

Source (article is in Spanish)

well, this is exactly what some of us (perhaps only me) have been asking for.
But how can we be sure the damn thing operates independently?

 

[keeponrollin]

well, this is exactly what some of us (perhaps only me) have been asking for.
But how can we be sure the damn thing operates independently?

I'm not sure how it makes the process more consistent, & swift exactly ?

Unless the UCI is going to pay for the same set of experts & judges to examine, & rule, on every case that arises; which would, I guess, be ruinously expensive for the few cases every year ?

Is there a half dig at the National Feds, by attributing the inconsistency to them

... and after they all supported him against that Malysian chap McQuaid

 

[fmk_RoI]

Is there a half dig at the National Feds, by attributing the inconsistency to them

... and after they all supported him against that Malysian chap McQuaid

Nat Feds have been promised double bubble. First, they no longer have to pay to prosecute some big fish dopers, saving them some considerable legal fees. Second, if the UCI isn't appealing to the CAS, they too will save legal fees (maybe - if the gain is greater than the cost of the panel) and Cookson has promised to direct such savings in legal fees to ... development projects with the nat feds/confeds.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'm not sure how it makes the process more consistent, & swift exactly ?

Unless the UCI is going to pay for the same set of experts & judges to examine, & rule, on every case that arises; which would, I guess, be ruinously expensive for the few cases every year ?

Is there a half dig at the National Feds, by attributing the inconsistency to them

... and after they all supported him against that Malysian chap McQuaid

Well, they will have to botch the job pretty badly to get the process any worse than today.

So yea I expect a faster, cheaper and more consistent process.

 

[glassmoon]

chapeau to this.
those national federations' rulings were jokes (mostly) and the CAS results were 99,9% opposite to them.
i think it's a good step in AD fight.

 

[Benotti69]

3 times tested positive and a former Dr Ibauguren rider?????

This is clean cycling to talk to juniors?

https://twitter.com/BrianCooksonUCI/status/515170384816402432/photo/1

 

[sniper]

...snipped...

that is one fine post.

Listen Juniors - to succeed in this game you need good gear and as much of it as you can get hold of - here's a man that can tell you all about it.

But now my ignorance. Who is the rider on the right and what is his connection with Dr I ?

it's Philippe Gilbert i think.

 

[D-Queued]

UCI has created an independent tribunal to decide on anti-doping cases rather than having the national federations rule on cases. Tribunal should be set to start in 2015. UCI claims this will ensure consistency among rulings, keep cases from dragging out, and reduce the number of appeals to CAS. Hmm. . . .

Source (article is in Spanish)

Agreed.

The juxtaposition of this announcement along with McQuaid's criticism of the UCI's handling of the Tour of Beijing, in the same week no less, severely undermines the title and thesis of this thread.

McQuaid's conflict of interest vis-a-vis the TdB was monstrous. And, under McQuaid and Hein, the UCI was a monstrosity.

There will no doubt be many things to complain about regarding Cookson in the years ahead, but he couldn't possibly be worse for cycling than McQuaid.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Agreed.

The juxtaposition of this announcement along with McQuaid's criticism of the UCI's handling of the Tour of Beijing, in the same week no less, severely undermines the title and thesis of this thread.

McQuaid's conflict of interest vis-a-vis the TdB was monstrous. And, under McQuaid and Hein, the UCI was a monstrosity.

There will no doubt be many things to complain about regarding Cookson in the years ahead, but he couldn't possibly be worse for cycling than McQuaid.

Dave.

uci still is a monstrosity as far as antidoping is concerned. not independent, very biased, with huge conflicts of interest.
more need than ever to make antidoping independent, but cookson is concerned about other things and falsely claims it already is independent taking everybody by the nose.
ever since his appointment cookson is busy missing the best opportunity ever to clean up cycling.
sky and cookson, two hands on one belly, like usps and verbruggen.
imo the fact that cookson happens after mcquaid makes cookson look worse than mcquaid, because cookson was handed (and then blew) a golden opportunity to not make the same mistakes as mcquaid. Mcquaid didn't have that learning moment.
when usps was uncovered, there was a window of opportunity for clean cycling. sky/BC/cookson closed that window.

 

[Benotti69]

Great post. Pointing to how Cookson is the cut from the same cloth as his prevvious incarnations.

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But now my ignorance. Who is the rider on the right and what is his connection with Dr I ?

...

That is Phil Gilbert who had his best ever season in 2011 where he destroyed the peloton at will while Dr Ibauguren was the Lotto team doctor.

 

[D-Queued]

uci still is a monstrosity as far as antidoping is concerned. not independent, very biased, with huge conflicts of interest.
more need than ever to make antidoping independent, but cookson is concerned about other things and falsely claims it already is independent taking everybody by the nose.
ever since his appointment cookson is busy missing the best opportunity ever to clean up cycling.
sky and cookson, two hands on one belly, like usps and verbruggen.
imo the fact that cookson happens after mcquaid makes cookson look worse than mcquaid, because cookson was handed (and then blew) a golden opportunity to not make the same mistakes as mcquaid. Mcquaid didn't have that learning moment.
when usps was uncovered, there was a window of opportunity for clean cycling. sky/BC/cookson closed that window.

Yes, the UCI like other ISO's has an inherent conflict of interest.

However, so do the NSO's and National ADA's. As we witnessed in the case of Contador, for example, there can be an incredible amount of political manipulation, all the way up the political ladder, to try and make a dirty athlete clean.

This latest move to try and create an independent judging panel would appear to be the only (!) logical option when the playing field is so uneven and with such inherent conflict of interest.

We do need to be concerned about its implementation, as the last thing the sport needs is another way for dopers to get off. But, could there be a better option?

CAS works, but it works as a final option. We need something pre-CAS that works on a consistent basis. Something that is independent of the organizations that are most likely to be conflicted.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

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This latest move to try and create an independent judging panel would appear to be the only (!) logical option when the playing field is so uneven and with such inherent conflict of interest.

We do need to be concerned about its implementation, as the last thing the sport needs is another way for dopers to get off. But, could there be a better option?

that judging panel is a good thing, for sure, but it has no bearing (as far as i can tell) on the quality of antidoping testing itself.
it does, i guess, increase the chances of fairer punishment, but that is a futile development as long as the protected dopers remain protected and don't have to fear getting caught in the first place.

so again, cookson is making a change with which he can show off, but that doesn't actually contribute to a cleaner sport.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This latest move to try and create an independent judging panel would appear to be the only (!) logical option when the playing field is so uneven and with such inherent conflict of interest.

We do need to be concerned about its implementation, as the last thing the sport needs is another way for dopers to get off. But, could there be a better option?

It is another way for dopers to get off, or if you are Kreuziger, you are doomed.

CAS works, but it works as a final option. We need something pre-CAS that works on a consistent basis. Something that is independent of the organizations that are most likely to be conflicted.

Dave.

You know where those panels come from right? Lawers that work for IOC sports federations. Maybe things are a little more primitive in the Czech Republic? In that case it's any person the national olympic committee trusts works.

The UCI doesn't like it when local federations ruin their plans. Now, suddenly, Swiss law crosses borders. I'm not certain, but this should not be WADA compliant in the least.

Though, I could see it being a great money-maker for the UCI.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This new panel should work as smoothly as the Zorzoli TUE committee, yeah?

It's essentially a guarantee that any cases will be kept under wraps until and only when the UCI deems them newsworthy.

On the one hand I prefer the removal of the local fed from the process due to CoI, but putting the onus on UCI to manage it is replacing one CoI with another, surely - unless I am missing something?

If we had assurances of openness and transparency then I would applaud the move, but Cookie is Mr Opaque, if the positive test suspension process is any indication.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Freddy nails the hammer again. Down hard.

Cookson: ''Hey, Eddie, why did you sent your son and Lance to Ferrari?''
Eddie: ''Well, uh, he was the best around for saddlesores, you know.'' wink wink.
Cookson: ''Okay, that saddles it then. Come here, lets do a multi-selfie-group-hug''

 

[fmk_RoI]

Circ

Cookson making it clear:

"I’ve read some things on the internet recently that are completely wrong. The Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation is now completely independent of the UCI. It is still based in our building, on the other side of the velodrome, for practical reasons, but it has an independent board now. I’m not a member of that board. You may recall that my predecessor was actually the president of the CADF’s board. We’ve moved on from that situation. We still provide them with funding, as do others, but we do not interfere with their daily running: we don’t recommend that they test or not test any team or individual. Their processes are entirely independent of the UCI and I don’t interfere with them."

What he was saying before he got elected:

"Crucially we must ensure that anti-doping is wholly and genuinely independent of the UCI. At present it is independent in name only, located at UCI headquarters, down the corridor from the President’s office, with all cases managed by the UCI legal department. This is not independence. If elected President I will rapidly establish a completely independent anti-doping unit in cooperation with WADA, managed and governed outside of the UCI, so that people can have absolute confidence in our sport. It would be physically and politically separate from the UCI, responsible for all aspects of anti-doping, and report to a board totally independent from the UCI."

 

[sniper]

Cookson making it clear:

What he was saying before he got elected:

edit: as red flanders says (below), good find.
so it's still all but independent.
cookson is their boss.
cookson funds them, they report back to cookson.

 

[red_flanders]

Cookson making it clear:



What he was saying before he got elected:

Nice observation and find. I hadn't really bought into the "Cookson is the same" mantra, but that is an eye-opener.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Nice observation and find. I hadn't really bought into the "Cookson is the same" mantra, but that is an eye-opener.

I was waiting to for actions under his control and this last salvo makes it clear it's the same old UCI.

The comments were especially depressing.

 

[Benotti69]

I was waiting to for actions under his control and this last salvo makes it clear it's the same old UCI.

The comments were especially depressing.

Why did you expect any different? I certainly didn't. Look at his history, he is old school through and through.

there will no anti doping revolution, it would probably kill the sport and too many in the sport have invested in it to let that happen.

Remember when JV wanted to start a new cycling league (with Bruyneel), along the lines of NFL away from UCI, well if Cookson comes down hard on doping the big teams leave and the federations dont want that.

Nope Cookson is trying to set cycling up like Tennis or Football where there are very few doping positives.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why did you expect any different?

As an anonymous Internet w@nker with nothing at stake, he deserved a chance. That's over.

 

[MarkvW]

As an anonymous Internet w@nker with nothing at stake, he deserved a chance. That's over.

Until the next election.... Then people will look to the next president (the guy who is elected by the federations) as the guy who is going to make a change--another guy who "deserves a chance."

But there will always be people who'll tell you that cycling's "cleaner" and that most pro riders don't do oxygen vector doping anymore. Anything to keep the illusory bubble going long enough to make a buck.

 

[Avoriaz]

UCI failed to submit paperwork for 2020 para cycling Olympic inclusion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/29488873