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Alpe d'Huez

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aphronesis said:
And a wholly non-partisan take on the inadequacy of the US medical system to handle the issue
truthout.org

Coronavirus Will Spread Faster Because We Lack Universal Health Care

Under the U.S.’s for-profit health system, the epidemic is not being treated like the public emergency it is.
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Very informative article. I hope this doesn't get dinged for political reasons, but this is a real concern of mine too. With roughly a quarter of people in the US who either don't have insurance, or have some form of insurance, but can't afford to go to the doctor anyway, this could seriously compound things in a very negative way for the nation as a whole. .
 
Alpe d'Huez

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Five states in the US have now ordered all schools to be closed indefinitely.

Disney World, Disneyland, and Universal Studios have now closed in the US.

Both the NBA and MLB (pre-season) have suspended all games indefinitely. MLB is interesting because it's outdoors, in the sun (Arizona and Florida). The Masters golf tournament and the Players Championship have been suspended. NCAA games will be played without crowds, same with IndyCar. Again, outdoor events.

Broadway plays have all suspended operations, as have the Met and Carnegie Hall.

Carnival Cruises have suspended all ships

Twitter has closed it's offices, telling everyone to work from home.

Coachella, SXSW and E3 have all been suspended.

This is just what I could find in a few minutes.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Very informative article. I hope this doesn't get dinged for political reasons, but this is a real concern of mine too. With roughly a quarter of people in the US who either don't have insurance, or have some form of insurance, but can't afford to go to the doctor anyway, this could seriously compound things in a very negative way for the nation as a whole. .
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Informative yes. Non partisan? Not even close. Look at the author.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Five states in the US have now ordered all schools to be closed indefinitely.

Disney World, Disneyland, and Universal Studios have now closed in the US.

Both the NBA and MLB (pre-season) have suspended all games indefinitely. MLB is interesting because it's outdoors, in the sun (Arizona and Florida). The Masters golf tournament and the Players Championship have been suspended. NCAA games will be played without crowds, same with IndyCar. Again, outdoor events.

Broadway plays have all suspended operations, as have the Met and Carnegie Hall.

Carnival Cruises have suspended all ships

Twitter has closed it's offices, telling everyone to work from home.

Coachella, SXSW and E3 have all been suspended.

This is just what I could find in a few minutes.
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And the XFL! Talk about bad luck. They say they'll be back for 2021:

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Very informative article. I hope this doesn't get dinged for political reasons, but this is a real concern of mine too. With roughly a quarter of people in the US who either don't have insurance, or have some form of insurance, but can't afford to go to the doctor anyway, this could seriously compound things in a very negative way for the nation as a whole. .
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This. Take my employee insurance that a medical facility offers, the down payments range from $1500-$5000 on any medical visit either hospital or urgent care.
 
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Maryland has a special open enrollment period due to Coronavirus. I imagine this will be a common policy throughout the country as this progresses.
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Carnival Cruises have suspended all ships
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Just a small point of clarification. Carnival suspended sailings on their "princess" brand for rather obvious reasons. The rest of their fleet is operational. And amazingly enough, thousands of people are still taking cruises. But more ports are being closed. Spain and French Polynesia (Tahiti) are two recent countries that have temporarily banned these floating virus factories.
 
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djpbaltimore said:
Maryland has a special open enrollment period due to Coronavirus. I imagine this will be a common policy throughout the country as this progresses.
Just a small point of clarification. Carnival suspended sailings on their "princess" brand for rather obvious reasons. The rest of their fleet is operational. And amazingly enough, thousands of people are still taking cruises. But more ports are being closed. Spain and French Polynesia (Tahiti) are two recent countries that have temporarily banned these floating virus factories.
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Are universities shuttering for the remainder of the semester due to concerns that the dorms are virtually cruise ships? I haven't heard it mentioned but I can't imagine that it isn't a concern.

On another note, my wife has an employee that is about to go on a spring break cruise with her family. They paid for it months ago, travel insurance doesn't cover it and she doesn't care that she was told she would have to self quarantine for 14 days upon return. I'm not panicking at all about this, but I sure as heck wouldn't go get on a boat with 3k people.
 
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Let's talk about me (many/most are likely similar): Most days I am in direct/indirect contact with about 600 people at work who are in contact with their spouses/sig others who are also in contact with 100s of other people, and their kids (lots of JLDS so lots of kids). Once C19 reaches the Boise area (I know its probably here) my immune system better be ready! I have a feeling that my job is going to be work from home as soon as the first positive is confirmed.

EDIT: The article posted by Aphro is correct, the number one priority of public health should be public health. Since the first three priorities of USA public health are profit, public health as a whole is poor. That's really all that I can say without breaking the rules, but most of you know the rest of the story.
 
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GVFTA said:
Are universities shuttering for the remainder of the semester due to concerns that the dorms are virtually cruise ships? I haven't heard it mentioned but I can't imagine that it isn't a concern.

On another note, my wife has an employee that is about to go on a spring break cruise with her family. They paid for it months ago, travel insurance doesn't cover it and she doesn't care that she was told she would have to self quarantine for 14 days upon return. I'm not panicking at all about this, but I sure as heck wouldn't go get on a boat with 3k people.
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That seems to be part of the calculus. Face to face instruction is shifting to virtual classrooms across the country to limit daily interactions. We don't really have traditional dorms here, but I have read that places like Harvard are giving people the boot with short notice. If the dorms weren't also a big problem, there would be no need to vacate while taking online courses.

The biggest ships now have capacity for 5500 people with another 2000 crew. Dorms actually might be more communal than cruises, so they are problematic in the same way. A lot of similarities, but at least they stay in the same place. After Katrina, my sister stayed on a cruise ship rented by Tulane to serve as emergency student housing.
 
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Today NASCAR and Indy Car cancelled/suspended racing.

The North Carolina college system (which include UNC and NC State) shut down. Duke also shut down and Duke is one of the main catalysts for the cancellation of both the ACC tournament and NCAA tournament and they withdrew from both stating that the University is closed and thus all players must return home and thus cannot participate in games. In NC schools closing are being left up to local governments. Our governor hasn't even put restrictions on gatherings yet and SC's governor said there is no reason to close schools. On the other hand, Ohio's governor closes schools earlier this week and asked companies to allow as many to work at home as possible. At that point there were around 5-7 known cases in Ohio. Their governor did say he suspects the actual number of cases in Ohio to be closer to 100,000 currently, but there's no way to know because there aren't enough tests available. NY's governor has said there's no way to know how many New Yorkers currently have it let alone how many have already had it and recovered from it.
 
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Considering that closing public schools has been a topic of discussion, here is what the CDC has determined in regard to COVID19. Their main conclusions.
Available modeling data indicate that early, short to medium closures do not impact the epi curve of COVID-19 or available health care measures (e.g., hospitalizations). There may be some impact of much longer closures (8 weeks, 20 weeks) further into community spread, but that modelling also shows that other mitigation efforts (e.g., handwashing, home isolation) have more impact on both spread of disease and health care measures. I
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/considerations-for-school-closure.pdf
 
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Nirvana said:
Closing the borders if people can stil spread the virus inside is of no use, like USA banning flights with the infection out of control in their country.
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Yes, but a lot of measures have been taken to put a huge limitation on people spreading the virus inside the country as well.

We can still go outside, but schools are closed, we're not allowed to congregate more than 100 people, and we're encouraged to just stay at home.

And if you just have the slightest bit of the sniffles, you must go home and self-quarantine for 14 days.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Very informative article. I hope this doesn't get dinged for political reasons, but this is a real concern of mine too. With roughly a quarter of people in the US who either don't have insurance, or have some form of insurance, but can't afford to go to the doctor anyway, this could seriously compound things in a very negative way for the nation as a whole. .
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It will be interesting to see if this “crisis” engenders a restructuring of the medical industry or if policy and sentiment go separate directions as is often the case.
 
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