Do you know what else could've been done to save lives you clueless toady?“Faster administration could save lives right now, which means we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good,” he said.
Which is why it is dumb as dirt not to invite subsequent tiers to get vaccinated. This is pure incompetence on display. In the mind of Cuomo and Newsom it’s better to keep the vaccine in the freezer than to break the PC equity protocol.We don't have nearly enough vaccine to give to everybody who wants it.
As it stands, with the idiots in charge today, we have more vaccine than we can use.Until we do, not much is going to change.
One anecdotal story deserves another. A mid-size community hospital here in Cali was allotted 800 vaccines. They could only get about 600 front-line workers to vaccinate. They had 200 doses they quite literally had to give away before the shelf life limits ruined them. There’s at least two skilled nursing facilities within walking distance of the hospital. But, ya know, rules and stuff.I just don't think people like you realize how hard it is to actually get a vaccine for front line health care workers.
That is not a good idea. You would end up with the Florida situation. Chaos and grift. And how are they doing with their vaccination? Lower than NY. They have administered a little under 30%.Which is why it is dumb as dirt not to invite subsequent tiers to get vaccinated. This is pure incompetence on display. In the mind of Cuomo and Newsom it’s better to keep the vaccine in the freezer than to break the PC equity protocol.
Yes Slovakia did. We eased restriction after testing and then put restrictions after numbers hit the roof again. So it was pointless after all. In this form we did it.I though Slovakia tested all their population in Oct/Nov, and then put in place restrictions/lockdowns in response.
Theoretically you should be doing better after going through this process - Look at England who've had locldowns/restrictions for 2 months - Normally after a week or two you reach the peak level of infections and then the numbers come down BUT yet the figures are increasing at an astonishing rate - Something doesn't add up.Yes Slovakia did. We eased restriction after testing and then put restrictions after numbers hit the roof again. So it was pointless after all. In this form we did it.
Definitely a fun read from a pure speculation point of view that conspiracy theorists would love. Fact of the matter is this: proponents of the lab leak theory depend on the idea of the coronavirus leaping from animals to humans as being improbable – which it’s not. In 2018, the same Shi Zhengli published a paper that reported the results of a serological study conducted of 218 residents in four villages in Yunnan. These villages were located near caves where Shi and her colleagues had sampled bat coronaviruses closely related to SARS-CoV-1. They discovered that six people, or about 2.7 percent of the sample, had antibodies for these coronaviruses, which suggests they had previously been infected.This is a very long article exploring the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in Wuhan. The author cites, but does not really discuss, the seminal Nature Med paper that concluded that the virus was not intentionally designed in a lab. He instead emphasizes the interest of some researchers in designing a virus capable of causing a pandemic, not as an agent of bio-terrorism or warfare, but so that we would be prepared to deal with such a virus if/when it emerged naturally. He finds the existence of a level-4 lab in Wuhan too much of a coincidence, and notes that the bat virus with highest sequence homology to SARS-CoV-2 was brought to Wuhan years earlier from a mine shaft, where it was found after several workers shoveling bat guano died from breathing the dust.
While it's a good account of the research being carried out on infectious viruses, and the conflicts over whether the potential benefits in understanding how to treat a new viral design outweigh the risks of just such a lab accident, this is bound to stoke the conspiracy theorists, which I can already see in the first comments. The author's scenario might be described as a hybrid between the standard intentionally designed virus, and the purely accidental theory. The author believes the virus was intentionally designed, just not for nefarious purposes, and since it's proposed to have been designed from a naturally-occurring virus, one of the arguments made in the Nature Med paper--that intentional design would have made use of a different viral backbone--is avoided. However, another argument vs. intentional design--that the spike protein would have been designed differently--would seem to apply to this scenario, as does the furin cleavage site.
The sad thing is that we may very well never know the origins of the virus, as we have not yet found it, or a very close relative that could have easily mutated to SARS-C0V-2, in any animal species. 8472 may jump in here indignantly, but China really hasn't helped by so far delaying if not refusing admission of an investigative team. If China wants to know the origin of the virus, they're sure hiding their intentions from the rest of us.
Same here. I have two nieces who are nurses, and a good friend who is Fire/EMS. Both nieces only had tender shoulders (one niece already got her second), and my friend just got his Wednesday hasn't had anything unexpected happen as of last night.A close family member of mine already got vaccinated for the first time on the 30th (she's a nurse) and so far zero side effects.
Gottlieb doesn't think the vaccines will be that effective and next fall & winter will look like a bad flu season with Covid. He believes masks, social distancing and other restrictions probably still need to be in place:
Yes it is.
- “Right now, every shot in an arm is a win,” the former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Monday.
Sure. Way better to drag out the vaccination process than have people who wish to be vaccinated wait in line.That is not a good idea. You would end up with the Florida situation.
So then Gottlieb is wrong in your view. PC run amok.And now we are getting to the point where people are getting ready for dose #2 on schedule. If you want to keep vaccinating new people, you better make sure you have a good reserve to jab the returnees. Otherwise you are counting on just-in-time distribution with nascent supply lines, from people who have consistently under-delivered on their promises.
Common sense in government is more scarce than the vaccine.It is obvious that people should use their common sense to vaccinate instead of flushing vaccine
Just to be forewarned. People should expect to see a bigger response to the booster shot when you re-activate the memory cells from the first dose. I hesitate to call it an adverse response because it is the correct immune cells becoming activated. The process might feel like you are a little sick. I am really worried about how these effects get reported and circulated on such bastions of reason as...facebook/ twitter/ youtube. Alex Berenson's is pinning a tweet that 11 people have been killed by the vaccine. But, don't you dare call him an anti-vaxxer. He is just 'asking questions about vaccine safety'. Smooth sailing from here no doubt....Same here. I have two nieces who are nurses, and a good friend who is Fire/EMS. Both nieces only had tender shoulders (one niece already got her second), and my friend just got his Wednesday hasn't had anything adverse as of last night.
The national plan is to leave it up to the states. Each state devises its own tiering and allocation. They can prioritize anybody they want. They can micromanage it or be laissez faire.It seems as though the USA doesn't have a national plan for the roll out of the vaccine to be administered by the states - It appears to be done on an ad-hoc basis.
Why do you always assume that we are terrified? Caution does not equate to terror. Am I terrified of biking if I wear a helmet? Nor do I demand a 100% protection guarantee. I do expect people in charge to implement common sense mitigation strategies that align with scientific consensus.Gottlieb doesn't think the vaccines will be that effective and next fall & winter will look like a bad flu season with Covid. He believes masks, social distancing and other restrictions probably still need to be in place:
I feel sorry for all terrified people who have put so much trust, faith & belief in the Covid vaccines to save the day. The same people who demand that their government give them 100% guarantee protection against this respiratory virus.
I can definitely understand Pfizer making the decision now to vaccinate all their employees at the plant. I would definitely categorize them as critical personnel.The EU is buying up half of the vaccines Pfizer is producing in 2021...
Also, EMA has approved getting 6 doses from the 5 dose Pfizer/BioNTech containers. Apparently, you can get 7 doses out if you are able to dose very precisely. This is only possible with 'the best' needles/syringes, which Belgium for instance seems to have acquired. However, there is global competition for this type of needles, so they don't think our stocks will last very long. Also, the 2500 employees at the Pfizer plant in Belgium will also receive the vaccine now, to make sure production is guarenteed. Finally, several Belgian labs processing covid tests have been victim of hacking, which in some cases put all of their computers 'out of business'. They fear that cyber-criminals may later also target the vaccine distribution centres, which would of course seriously f**k things up.
There was just a report from a hospital in Northern California in which a freezer stopped working and they basically had 2 hours once they found out what happened to administer 800 doses before they went bad. (I don't remember if it was Pfizer or Moderna). They first offered it to any one in the hospital, then first responders (EMTs and fire dept) and the workers at the prison (something about not enough time to get consent of the prisoners) and then set up 2 or 3 locations and put word out to the general public and were able to administer all 800 doses and give cards for apts for the second dose. They just proved you CAN do mass vaccinations more quickly than what is currently happening.The thing is of course, the rich nations are buying up all of the good stuff, so where does that leave the rest? The solidarity talk is all good and well, but solidarity seems to be on the table only after 'we' have what we need.
That said, since the Pfizer vaccine, and to an extent also the Moderna one is very difficult to transport, store and correctly administer, poorer nations would probably struggle with those anyway. They would depend on the Chinese ones, the Oxford one and perhaps the J&J one anyway.
The Daily Mail? Really...seems like opinion piece more than reporting. And Alex Azar? That whole Ship of Tools will be moved out of the picture very quickly.One simply can’t make this stuff up.
NYC Begs Gov. Cuomo To Let It Start Vaccinating Seniors: 'We've Got To Save Lives'
The Daily Mail reported New York City has dished out only 149,000 of its allotted 487,000 vaccine doses, and that is over a three-week period.
“If you had a world where everyone said ‘I 100 percent want the vaccine’ … then the governor’s theory would make a lot of sense. But on the ground it’s different. We’re at the frontline, here’s what we’re seeing. A lot of people aren’t ready to take the vaccine in category 1A,” he said.
The governor reportedly isn’t budging, though — which means that in this Democrat-on-Democrat dispute, Cuomo has made de Blasio the reasonable one. That’s all the more reason to crown him the worst governor in the country — a field populated by half-wits.
Meanwhile, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said Wednesday that the government will allow more drugstores to start giving vaccinations to speed up the process. If health workers aren’t lining up fast enough, he said, it is OK to expand eligibility to lower-priority groups.
“We need to not be overly prescriptive in that, especially as we see governors who are leaving vaccines sitting in freezers rather than getting it out into people’s arms,” he said.
all of the states are doing the best that they can. The 2 current vaccines are semi complicated. Because of tort actions, before you get the vaccine you need to fill out a couple of forms saying basically that the vaccine is being given under emergency circumstances and that you accept that.It seems as though the USA doesn't have a national plan for the roll out of the vaccine to be administered by the states - It appears to be done on an ad-hoc basis.
Don’t be lazy. Go look at the numbers for yourself. Cuomo is a complete disaster. But then we already knew that.The Daily Mail? Really...seems like opinion piece more than reporting. And Alex Azar? That whole Ship of Tools will be moved out of the picture very quickly.
What in the actual F? “The best they can?” That’s the standard now? That just suddenly came to you out of left field, did it?all of the states are doing the best that they can.
This is 100% absolutely untrue.there is no physical reason that vaccines cannot be given 24\7 ..money and staffing are preventing that.