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In a State such as Mississippi its a large difference. Only 30% of blacks took the vaccine - the states population is 40% black. That makes a difference when you see who is in the hospital with covid. The majority is black unvaxed. Sad situation for sure but that was their choice.
I don't see where you are getting that data. The charts I linked to show that 38% of the population of MS is black and they account for 38% of the vaccinations. The percent vaccination of Whites in the state is actually marginally lower (42% vs 41%).
 
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Today DeSantis tried to stem the political tide building against his presidential ambitions by blaming Biden for not "stopping Covid" while his state has the highest rate of infection/death since the crisis began. His solution is: use monoclonal antibodies to ease symptoms during hospitalization rather than encourage vaccination and masks for prevention. Florida hospitals are nearly full and the use of anti-bodies are likely part of treatment but the nonsense of the argument is way too simplistic to convince his voters, IMO. Hopefully these feeble efforts are signaling the end of extreme politicization of the issue nationwide. Again, you can't account for the mindset of Floridian and Texan voters, though.
 
Florida is also facing an oxygen crunch that is starting to strain the system. A few cities like Orlando have been diverting Oxygen used to treat their drinking water to hospitals to keep the sick and mostly unvaxxed patients alive. Delta really has changed the game. Too many people have been slow to recognize this. An interesting question is whether that is partially due to all the people/ media who have cried wolf about so many of the previous variants. Now that a wolf has truly been sighted, the warning seems to be falling on deaf ears.
 

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I don't see where you are getting that data. The charts I linked to show that 38% of the population of MS is black and they account for 38% of the vaccinations. The percent vaccination of Whites in the state is actually marginally lower (42% vs 41%).

You got some of the data correct. But the white vax rate makes up 57% of the state.


I need to find the demo majority of the hospitalized but it is a majority of blacks.

You try to make it read like 38% of the pop is black and they are all vaxed. 38.something is why I used 40%
 

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FDA approval would not come with any carte' blanche liability waiver. The real world and insurance risks will begin to drive policy for those that avoid vaccination and the few that have legitimate concerns about their risk should get some latitude. Unfortunately employers will be forced to have policies that don't give them much room I would expect.
The recent death count of naysayers and surge in Florida is beginning to change popular perception and it will, as it should; wreck some political opportunist careers in the process. If the governors of Texas and Florida gain re election that will say much about the regional politics and probably the media that influences them. There doesn't seem to be much science still in the arguments anymore.
And is Australia really the sh*t show with demonstrations and 27% vaccination rate? There has to be some serious political/media mindset that allows for that. I smell Rupert Murdoch.
Politics.
Sure they will re elect them. They will come through this just fine. Don't worry get your vax stop crying about other states.
 
Politics.
Sure they will re elect them. They will come through this just fine. Don't worry get your vax stop crying about other states.
Not crying for the fools that get sick. Another Fall, Winter and Spring of covid complications will wreck many lives beyond health considerations. Economically the supply chain is already weak and broken in some sectors. If you've tried to by a car lately you'd know that everything from PVC catalysts to specific metals for chip boards are stalling delivery and production. Lumber products that haven't been allowed in the US from Canada have home prices way beyond natural inflation rises and that kind of impact will hit on many market sectors. Each state or province isn't an island for economic impacts so, when you can't get your cushy tushy wipe because there's a scarcity of pulpwood you will be the one that will need to stop tearing up. Pretend you're a kid in the woods and wipe your a*s with a leaf.
 
It has just been announced that because of the high level of vaccination here in Denmark, in two weeks (Sep 10th) the 'emergency' is over. Covid will no longer be treated as a special illness, so all (emergency) restriction will be gone (that is, the epidemic law will no longer be in effect).

The 18 months emergency is over, we are at least officially back to normal. Now we are at the exit, and we will live with it as an endemic illness from here on.
 
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Not crying for the fools that get sick. Another Fall, Winter and Spring of covid complications will wreck many lives beyond health considerations. Economically the supply chain is already weak and broken in some sectors. If you've tried to by a car lately you'd know that everything from PVC catalysts to specific metals for chip boards are stalling delivery and production. Lumber products that haven't been allowed in the US from Canada have home prices way beyond natural inflation rises and that kind of impact will hit on many market sectors. Each state or province isn't an island for economic impacts so, when you can't get your cushy tushy wipe because there's a scarcity of pulpwood you will be the one that will need to stop tearing up. Pretend you're a kid in the woods and wipe your a*s with a leaf.
This.
It is not only about their "choice". Economic is broken. Money pumped in economies starts inflation spiral. It is unreal how fast prices grow in some sectors in wealthy part of the world. Other aspect is when umvaccinated overload healthcare system people dont get their regular treatment for other diseases. Lot of unnecessary deaths from cancer and other diesaese. :(
 
Not crying for the fools that get sick. Another Fall, Winter and Spring of covid complications will wreck many lives beyond health considerations. Economically the supply chain is already weak and broken in some sectors. If you've tried to by a car lately you'd know that everything from PVC catalysts to specific metals for chip boards are stalling delivery and production. Lumber products that haven't been allowed in the US from Canada have home prices way beyond natural inflation rises and that kind of impact will hit on many market sectors. Each state or province isn't an island for economic impacts so, when you can't get your cushy tushy wipe because there's a scarcity of pulpwood you will be the one that will need to stop tearing up. Pretend you're a kid in the woods and wipe your a*s with a leaf.
Australia was complacent with vaccinations after the earlier lockdown strategies worked. Delta changed that as it has in many countries. Australia's rate of vaccinations is rising rapidly especially with the two largest cities in the country currently under siege and state borders closed again. Protests are happening in many countries even in well vaccinated countries like Israel. Australia has just announced that all children over the age of 12 will be offered vaccinations and I guess the naysayers will be doing online learning.
 
Australia was complacent with vaccinations after the earlier lockdown strategies worked. Delta changed that as it has in many countries. Australia's rate of vaccinations is rising rapidly especially with the two largest cities in the country currently under siege and state borders closed again. Protests are happening in many countries even in well vaccinated countries like Israel. Australia has just announced that all children over the age of 12 will be offered vaccinations and I guess the naysayers will be doing online learning.
Will be interesting to see what percentage gets vaccinated. I saw a figure this morning about the rates in the US and the 12-15 age group lagged far behind with only about ~30% uptake. 16-18 weren't much better. Those groups were approved last, but even with such high availability of vaccine and the beginning of the school year, the increases were plateauing. So, I doubt it is going to get much higher. Schools are going to be a cluster****.
 
Hopefully these feeble efforts are signaling the end of extreme politicization of the issue nationwide. Again, you can't account for the mindset of Floridian and Texan voters, though.
Can't be all that bad or tens of thousands of people wouldn't be moving to Florida from the Big Apple. Lol.

 
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"Japan Suspends 1.6 Million Doses of Moderna Vaccine After Reports of Contamination."


"The country's health ministry said "foreign materials" were found in at least 390 doses - or 39 vials - of the Moderna vaccine, coming from eight vaccination sites, according to The Asahi Shimbun."

"A ministry official was reported by Nikkei Asia as saying, it's a substance that reacts to magnets...it could be metal."


A 7 billion dollar pharmaceutical company with state of the art manufacturing facilities and something like this happens? The "conspiracy theorists" are going to have a field day with this. Lol.
 
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Pfizer vaccine recipients seven times more likely to get symptomatic Delta than recoverers - Israeli data

Bloomberg reports that early data from Israel shows that people who recovered from Covid may face a significantly lower risk from the Delta Covid variant than those fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech jab.

The groundbreaking findings – which could influence public health policies around the globe – from the largest real-world study comparing natural immunity gained from earlier infection with the protection provided by one of the most effective jabs showed that reinfections were much less common among those who had caught Covid.

The data, posted as a preprint article on medRxiv, has not yet been reviewed by other researchers, and therefore should be treated with some caution. The results contrast with earlier studies suggesting immunisation offered better protection than prior infection, though those studies did not assess the Delta variant, Bloomberg reported.

However, the results were stark. People given both doses of Pfizer-BioNTech were almost six times more likely to contract Delta and seven-fold more likely to have symptomatic disease than those who had previously recovered.

“This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalisation due to the delta variant,” the researchers said.

Protection from an earlier infection also wanes significantly with time, the analysis suggested.

The study will raise serious questions over the decision of the US Food and Drug Administration to award the Pfizer jab full approval this week.

It comes after a Science Magazine report last week suggested breakthrough infections were far more common than the term suggests, with 60% of hospitalised patients with Covid in Israel fully vaccinated despite 78% of those 12 and older in the country being fully vaccinated.


The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die. But Israel’s experience is forcing the booster issue on to the radar for other nations, suggesting as it does that even the best vaccinated countries will face a Delta surge.

Now, the effects of waning immunity may be beginning to show in Israelis vaccinated in early winter; a preprint published last month by physician Tal Patalon and colleagues at KSM, the research arm of MHS, found that protection from Covid-19 infection during June and July dropped in proportion to the length of time since an individual was vaccinated. People vaccinated in January had a 2.26 times greater risk for a breakthrough infection than those vaccinated in April. (Potential confounders include the fact that the very oldest Israelis, with the weakest immune systems, were vaccinated first.
 
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Can't be all that bad or tens of thousands of people wouldn't be moving to Florida from the Big Apple. Lol.

When I lived there most of the Snowbird transplants were from New York and Pennsylvania (in the 70s). Trying to find a warm spot happens to old people....
 

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Not crying for the fools that get sick. Another Fall, Winter and Spring of covid complications will wreck many lives beyond health considerations. Economically the supply chain is already weak and broken in some sectors. If you've tried to by a car lately you'd know that everything from PVC catalysts to specific metals for chip boards are stalling delivery and production. Lumber products that haven't been allowed in the US from Canada have home prices way beyond natural inflation rises and that kind of impact will hit on many market sectors. Each state or province isn't an island for economic impacts so, when you can't get your cushy tushy wipe because there's a scarcity of pulpwood you will be the one that will need to stop tearing up. Pretend you're a kid in the woods and wipe your a*s with a leaf.
I'm good, you keep looking for those cushy tush wipes though. Get the vax and stop crying.
 
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some numbers about the vaccination/infection ratio in Germany, based on the data from the past month

View: https://twitter.com/quarkswdr/status/1431273005372645381


In German of course, but I guess it's self-explanatory. Just liked the way it was visualized

Graphs are usually fairly self explanatory. The rest of it, I just followed the link to Twitter and used the wonderful translate button plus read a few more of the tweets in the thread. Interesting and useful information. Also confirms what I've thought about this. Just glad to see some actual data for it. Thank you.
 
Several local folks claiming not to be sheep were on the news explaining why they are taking sheep parasite treatment instead of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, hmm. :rolleyes:
Because Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham said it was OK. Besides: the labelling for Ivermectin says it's for horses and cows so my closely held image of not-a-sheep are preserved.
That, and the FDA said not to use it so we is goin' to do it because they are the Devil.
 
An interesting experiment is going on in Belgium. As you may know, this is a complex country. Who is responsible for what is partly federal, partly down to the regions. The mentality of people, their sources of information, and the population's cultural background is also different in the different parts.

As a result, the vaccine rates vary quite a bit.

In Flanders, the vaccine take-up is very high. 90% of adults have been vaccinated (88.5% fully), and over 75% of 12-17 year olds. In Wallonia and the German-speaking region, this is slightly lower (more or less comparable to the average in W-Europe), but in Brussels, it's quite low: only about 60% of adults have been vaccinated, and among the 12-17 year olds, only slightly over 20%.

The result of that is that not only is the incidence of hospitalization much higher in Brussels (and about 95% of those are unvaccinated), the loosening of the measures has also been different. In Flanders, almost everything will be allowed again next month, and children will not be required to wear face masks once schools restart (Sept 1st), but in Brussels, pubs still need to close earlier, and face masks will remain compulsory in the classroom.

Incidentally, Flanders is coloured 'orange' on the European covid risk map (medium risk), while Brussels is coloured dark red (the 'worst'). Also, almost 50% of infections in Brussels is caused by people returning from holidays. Of people returning from Morocco (and there are many of them, many have their roots there) - over 10% are returning covid-positive - which is quite amazing.

Let's see how this evolves further.
 
Thanks for the update, Jagartrott. (Håber du snart bliver frisk)

Yesterday the newest status rapport was published: https://www.sst.dk/-/media/Udgivels...apport/22_-statusraport-data-per-23_-aug.ashx

The distribution is more uniform here in Denmark:
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It's worth noting that among the age groups under 40 years old, the 16-19 y.o. have the highest vaccine rate and the 12-15 y.o. the lowest vaccine rate.

As contagion is mostly between unvaccinated, it has shifted over the last couple of weeks from being driven by people in their 20s, to now being mostly among kids under 15 y.o. As the overall number of cases have been stable, the more vaccinated groups continue to have fewer cases even if most of the restrictions have gone away.

Once most of the kids have acquired natural immunity, I think Delta will slumber before striking again in smaller outbreaks among the unvaccinated come late fall and winter.
 
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A bit more background about Brussels: Belgium in general is very multicultural, but Brussels is the most diverse of them all. Lots of people related to EU and NATO obviously (but they are bound to be vaccinated), but also a lot of migrants from Africa, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. They often get their news from their own network, and quite persistent fake news is doing the rounds there (like: equatorial Africans are immune to covid). There are a lot of barriers to get them vaccinated. While in Flanders, we received an invitation by mail (and regular mail) to get our shots at a regional center, in Brussels, they also have to employ 'alternative' means - vaccination buses, now also vaccination in shops, near schools, etc. Everything they can to increase the % of people vaccinated.

The hospital IC units are in most Brussels hospitals around 50% capacity with covid-patients, while in Flanders, there are many hospitals with no covid-patients. Vaccination works, clearly.

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Heh. Yeah, I was tired and without inspiration when signing up here.
 

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