Ok its settled then the 3rd shot will be the end of it.
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Wasn't the original shot judged at 95% efficacy?
The Japanese are still social-distancing and masking heavily to see their deaths fall to....zero? That takes some societal discipline.
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Isn't this because Japanese culture dictates you not be an individualist, rather you need to think of being just a part of society as a whole?
Personally I think they have the right idea, they had the whole mask-wearing drill down (especially in highly populated areas such as Tokyo) way before Covid-19 ever came along.
Okay then you better damn well have the smokers pay their own way:
Economic Trends in Tobacco
See data and statistical information on the economic facts about U.S. tobacco use and production.
www.cdc.gov
"Smoking-related illnesses in the United States costs more than $300 billion each year, including: More than $225 billion for direct medical care for adults. More than $156 billion in lost productivity, including 5.6 billion in lost productivity due to secondhand smoke exposure."
And the obese, many of them who contract Covid are flooding the hospitals, need to also pay their own way:
"The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illnesses are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States. Childhood obesity alone is responsible for $14 billion in direct medical costs."
You need to clear your head of the mind-controlling MSM power and realize this is a pandemic of the unhealthy, always was and always will be:
Most COVID-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions
A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.
www.nih.gov
And one of these four conditions is obesity!
How in the heck do you think I survived Covid, not once but twice mind you, without needing any medical intervention whatsoever? Do you think I'm some super human physical specimen at the ripe old age of 60? Lol. The reason is I'm in top physical condition, eat an organic whole foods diet, keep my vitamin D3 levels high & don't have any of those aforementioned preexisting conditions. This is called having a healthy immune system designed to effectively fight off viral & bacterial infections. This isn't a groundbreaking discovery. Lol.
I know several people in my circles, both young & old, that fought off bouts of Covid with flying colors also not needing any medical intervention whatsoever. Again, these are very healthy, physically active people, some of whom are competitive athletes. But you're not going to hear anything from the MSM about the millions of healthy people in this country who experienced only mild symptoms that self-resolved without medical intervention. It always the fearmongering stories of some unhealthy, overweight man or woman who left behind a family & all that. Or some elderly grandma or grandpa with multiple preexisting conditions that got exposed to & died from the virus that we're all suppose to weep in sadness.
The MSM has created a culture of fear with this virus instilling paranoia that everyone, regardless of age & health status, is at a high-risk of dying - hence the needing to jab up everyone in this country with an experimental vaccine. I see the fear all the time in people's eyes. In 60 yrs of life, I've never seem this much fear instilled on the American public by MSM. 100 times more than the 911 crisis! (the MSM must be trained in CIA in mind-controlled propaganda).
So, if you don't see that this is a pandemic of the unhealthy (and I don't think we can vaxx our way out of this - way too many unhealthy, sickly people in this country), then you're just being intellectually dishonest & there's no point in debating this any further.
Health is Personal and Medicine Must Be Personal Too ⋆ Brownstone Institute
Staying alive, healthy, and safe surely is a goal of all people. Now we need the public health establishment to let all the tools be freely chosen.
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A lying, dishonest government that expects us to trust them. LMOA
View: https://youtu.be/GYGO7IJktLU
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Great, there will be no more replies from you, then.Okay then you better damn well have the smokers pay their own way:
Economic Trends in Tobacco
See data and statistical information on the economic facts about U.S. tobacco use and production.
"Smoking-related illnesses in the United States costs more than $300 billion each year, including: More than $225 billion for direct medical care for adults. More than $156 billion in lost productivity, including 5.6 billion in lost productivity due to secondhand smoke exposure."
And the obese, many of them who contract Covid are flooding the hospitals, need to also pay their own way:
"The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illnesses are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States. Childhood obesity alone is responsible for $14 billion in direct medical costs."
You need to clear your head of the mind-controlling MSM power and realize this is a pandemic of the unhealthy, always was and always will be:
Most COVID-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions
A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.
And one of these four conditions is obesity!
How in the heck do you think I survived Covid, not once but twice mind you, without needing any medical intervention whatsoever? Do you think I'm some super human physical specimen at the ripe old age of 60? Lol. The reason is I'm in top physical condition, eat an organic whole foods diet, keep my vitamin D3 levels high & don't have any of those aforementioned preexisting conditions. This is called having a healthy immune system designed to effectively fight off viral & bacterial infections. This isn't a groundbreaking discovery. Lol.
I know several people in my circles, both young & old, that fought off bouts of Covid with flying colors also not needing any medical intervention whatsoever. Again, these are very healthy, physically active people, some of whom are competitive athletes. But you're not going to hear anything from the MSM about the millions of healthy people in this country who experienced only mild symptoms that self-resolved without medical intervention. It always the fearmongering stories of some unhealthy, overweight man or woman who left behind a family & all that. Or some elderly grandma or grandpa with multiple preexisting conditions that got exposed to & died from the virus that we're all suppose to weep in sadness.
The MSM has created a culture of fear with this virus instilling paranoia that everyone, regardless of age & health status, is at a high-risk of dying - hence the needing to jab up everyone in this country with an experimental vaccine. I see the fear all the time in people's eyes. In 60 yrs of life, I've never seem this much fear instilled on the American public by MSM. 100 times more than the 911 crisis! (the MSM must be trained in CIA in mind-controlled propaganda).
So, if you don't see that this is a pandemic of the unhealthy (and I don't think we can vaxx our way out of this - way too many unhealthy, sickly people in this country), then you're just being intellectually dishonest & there's no point in debating this any further.
Health is Personal and Medicine Must Be Personal Too ⋆ Brownstone Institute
Staying alive, healthy, and safe surely is a goal of all people. Now we need the public health establishment to let all the tools be freely chosen.
I absolutely hate smoking. I lost both Parents and a Grandfather to lung cancer. None of them died quietly in their sleep.
We lost a healthy 48 year old sister in law to H1N1. She didn't drink alcohol, smoke or have weight issues. She was playing tennis out of town and felt like she had a bad flu virus and came home. She visited her doctor the next day who became alarmed at her blood oxygen value deficit and sent her to the hospital. She declined rapidly, was intubated and placed in a managed coma until they could fight off the fluids flooding her lungs. After a week they knew they needed to revive her or risk permanent brain damage. She didn't survive and her family, including her rabid Trump supporting husband all grieve to this day. He was smart enough to get vaccinated as he's had colon cancer. He smokes cigars, drinks and considers golf a sport. He's not overweight. His insurance that he invested in as a business owner paid for his treatment.
My insurance paid for the many treatments necessary over 30 years of bike racing and other activities. You didn't part with a nickel taking care of me.
My wife has lost two friends, both doctors and triathletes to Covid before there was a vaccine. Another friend, an organ transplant OR nurse contracted it and she is a triathlete, too. She has recurring bouts of low energy, brain fog, etc. Again; she got it before a vaccine became available.
A DOD commissioned vaccine was produced by a private research firm (not a drug company) for use by military and senior National government officials. It was used and by members of both parties of the US government and all branch levels. A handful that had taken this vaccine (the same available to all of us) continue to refuse to disclose their vaccine status or outright lie about it as they fund-raise on the backs of paranoid supporters. I assume MSM is a dog-whistle reference to media you don't embrace and no, they have no basis to report about it. Nor does the alternate media.
What I noted up thread about conditions that afflict folks genetically doesn't qualify them a trip to the morgue any more than very healthy folks that contract a disease. While we indeed cannot "vaxx" our way out of this the marketing of a MSM hoax and the political division related to it won't help it either.
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It very well could - it's all about power & control now:
BREAKING NEWS: AUSTRIA GOVT DECLARES FORCED INJECTIONS! UNVACCINATED WILL BE JAILED! MORE COUNTRIES TO FOLLOW
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Forced vaccinations....you really think that's happening? I thought the debate was done?It very well could - it's all about power & control now:
BREAKING NEWS: AUSTRIA GOVT DECLARES FORCED INJECTIONS! UNVACCINATED WILL BE JAILED! MORE COUNTRIES TO FOLLOW
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Many are wearing masks in Japan but its not legally mandated, and you see people in areas of Japan not wearing them. Social distancing is Impossible on the train's to and from work.
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It was never the entire population wearing masks prior to Covid and it still is not the case today. No government mandates and esentially pre covid they were worn when someone was sick with cold or allergies. Also some cases where someone had a compromised immune system.
If the 48 year old sister in law had the vax then everything would have been fine?
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COVID-19 Mortality Risk Correlates Inversely with Vitamin D3 Status, and a Mortality Rate Close to Zero Could Theoretically Be Achieved at 50 ng/mL 25(OH)D3: Results of a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis
Background: Much research shows that blood calcidiol (25(OH)D3) levels correlate strongly with SARS-CoV-2 infection severity. There is open discussion regarding whether low D3 is caused by the infection or if deficiency negatively affects immune defense. The aim of this study was to collect...www.mdpi.com
That's an interesting one.
I'm wondering, why checking vitamin D level isn't obligatory (at least where I live). Considering that most people have deficiency (median level in the study I quoted was 23 ng/ml (!), while the optimal is 40-60 and some other sources say it should be at least 60-80), it correlates that strongly with covid mortality and it's also cheap and widely available.
How many of you (and your relatives) have had your vitamin D level checked lately?
Every time I have yearly labs drawn, but that's because I'm naturally low in Vit D and have been on prescription Vit D for years now.
I got my booster at Publix and they didn't even ask why you were getting it. They didn't care. They do more walk-ins than appointments for the booster.
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And what dosage of vit D you take and what's your current (or last checked) level of it in the blood?
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1.25MG once a week (dosages). That puts it on the very low side of what is considered "normal" or ok or whatever they call it. Don't remember the exact level though.
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Yes, it's mask city over here in Tokyo. The numbers are really low - under 30 new cases per day in recent weeks, and low nationwide numbers. Things have only really started opening up again recently, so we'll see if numbers start to rise again in the next month or so. Hopefully not, my live music work is just starting to come back!
Boosters begin here next month, supposedly needing 8 month since 2nd dose to get one, but it's possible 6 months might become the norm.
Boosters begin here next month, supposedly needing 8 month since 2nd dose to get one, but it's possible 6 months might become the norm.
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The linked article is rubbish that isn’t happening in Australia.
However maybe I missed the debate up thread but telling people they can’t have a job because they are not vaccinated IS effectively forced vaccination? We can’t even enter a club now without showing proof of vaccination.
In Australia where the fully vaccinated rate is now over 80% we just had mass protests over this issue. One local politician even labelled the protesters as “extremists” when it was clear the overwhelming majority were normal law abiding people. Many will be small business owners whose livelihoods and retirement plans have been thrown into disarray through no fault of their own.
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In Austria there will now indeed be a vaxx obligation, and in Germany there is a debate about it. The German speaking countries have a lower vaccination rate than many other European countries like Spain or Denmark, presumably for three reasons: high rate of Waldorf/ Anthroposophie-lovers, different organization of vaccination (in Spain for instance you just got your appointment without needing to care for it yourself) and at least in Germany the political far right chose this as a topic of "are you against the state, the system, authority and just everything - protest by not getting vaccinated".
One thing I didn't consider is that I know almost nothing about Jr., so maybe his immune system isn't great. I still wonder if age plays a role in SC2 immunity though.
I have no issue with countries/states banning the unvaccinated from bars/restaurants etc BUT i draw the line at stopping people from working - Give them extra conditions like twice weekly PCR tests at their expense etc - To stop people working, especially in highly vaccinated places is madness.
Of course not, the good chancellor of Austria is merely just asking the unvaccinated to kindly consider taking the vaccine - no pressure, no coercion, no consequences for declining.
And I suppose all these people protesting & rioting in countries throughout Europe are just a little upset over the idea that their government leaders are just suggesting the the unvaccinated considering vaccination. LOL
Protests and Rage Against Lockdowns and Mandates All Over the World ⋆ Brownstone Institute
As deadlines loom for mandatory vaccines, and more lockdowns come to many countries of the world, people have taken to the streets in protest
brownstone.org
"Oklahoma bill would hold employers liable for vaccine injuries caused by their mandates."
www.lifesitenews.com
Oklahoma bill would hold employers liable for vaccine injuries caused by their mandates - LifeSite
'If an employee is required to receive the vaccine or some other medical treatment as a condition of employment and it causes that person harm, our citizens need to know they’ll have some recourse that will provide them with meaningful relief,' said State Sen. Rob Standridge.
www.lifesitenews.com
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Don't let my passionate concern for my family cloud your skepticism. H1N1 was the very effective predecessor to C19. There was no vaccine and no apparent need for concern; until people suffered very strong fatal outcome statistics. Fortunately for the greater population; it didn't have the spread characteristics of C19 or we would be looking at a more horrendous outcome.
Her politics would have allowed her vaccination for that risk, since it didn't hit the conservative & resistance/fundraising political radar as an issue and "Libs/Socialists" paid it little mind. She might have resisted the C19 vaccine but her equally conservative husband is in the food services business and he realized early that the wave of sick employees was bad for business. When it cost him money he took the Vaxx, as you would say. Common sense overrode his political passion on that issue. She had passed away late 2019.
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In general I'm really against making vaccinations mandatory. And I didn't think they would happen. But I have to admit that at the moment I don't see any real, possible alternatives for a country like ours. There just aren't enough people vaccinated. So the hospitals will be overrun in more or less time, but it will happen. Then there are only two possibilities: you have to deny people life-saving treatment, whether they need it because of Covid or heart attacks or accidents, because the hospitals are simply full. Or you have another lockdown - we are already starting that again, clubs and pubs have to close, christmas markets are cancelled, etc. The next step will be another real lockdown, that, in my eyes, is pure madness, when we do have vaccinations who, if every adult was vaccinated, would make sure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
Our legislation doesn't allow for denying people treatment in hospitals because they are unvaccinated and I think a much bigger change of it would be needed than for a vaccination obligation.
So, just looking at it from a pragmatic side: what are our other options? Either much, much bigger ICUs would help, but it would take years (apart from the money) to make that happen (in Germany probably decades...
)Or you say okay, then we just have a triage and the doctors decide who's going to get treatment and who won't, or if the ICUs are full and you have an accident, well bad luck for you.
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I took just a moment to read the facts of the article: Mandates for working environments are not the same as forced vaccinations, are they? The main play of the piece is to suggest MSM, as it's been labelled; doesn't report the issue or doesn't represent the medical consequences of folks getting C19 after vaccination. Both issues are a play at creating a news issue franchise, IMO.Of course not, the good chancellor of Austria is merely just asking the unvaccinated to kindly consider taking the vaccine - no pressure, no coercion, no consequences for declining.
And I suppose all these people protesting & rioting in countries throughout Europe are just a little upset over the idea that their government leaders are just suggesting the the unvaccinated considering vaccination. LOL
Protests and Rage Against Lockdowns and Mandates All Over the World ⋆ Brownstone Institute
As deadlines loom for mandatory vaccines, and more lockdowns come to many countries of the world, people have taken to the streets in protest
I am personally against mandating vaccination. I do, however; allow that businesses and governments can judge conditions that prove high-risk and pursue lockdowns and quarantines as needed. The suggestion that's it's some kind of international power play is being accepted by a very skeptical and naive percentage of people. They are also prey to snake oil salespeople hawking vitamins and other treatments that have little to no efficacy. Worse: they know they're pandering to fears but they like to profit.
In general I'm really against making vaccinations mandatory. And I didn't think they would happen. But I have to admit that at the moment I don't see any real, possible alternatives for a country like ours. There just aren't enough people vaccinated. So the hospitals will be overrun in more or less time, but it will happen. Then there are only two possibilities: you have to deny people life-saving treatment, whether they need it because of Covid or heart attacks or accidents, because the hospitals are simply full. Or you have another lockdown - we are already starting that again, clubs and pubs have to close, christmas markets are cancelled, etc. The next step will be another real lockdown, that, in my eyes, is pure madness, when we do have vaccinations who, if every adult was vaccinated, would make sure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
Our legislation doesn't allow for denying people treatment in hospitals because they are unvaccinated and I think a much bigger change of it would be needed than for a vaccination obligation.
So, just looking at it from a pragmatic side: what are our other options? Either much, much bigger ICUs would help, but it would take years (apart from the money) to make that happen (in Germany probably decades...
Or you say okay, then we just have a triage and the doctors decide who's going to get treatment and who won't, or if the ICUs are full and you have an accident, well bad luck for you.
Hospital admission is 'part and parcel' of having an unvaccinated cohort - But where do people most often catch COVID - In home environments and out of work environments - Unvaccinated people ( with the precautions I listed in my previous post ) pose little or no risk to the vaccinated in a work place - It makes no sense to stop people from working.
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