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The inbound planes from S-Africa to The Netherlands were stopped on the tarmac yesterday, and all passengers needed to be tested for covid-19. 61/600 turn out to be positive, but not yet clear for which variant. All of the 12+ aged passengers needed to take a fast covid-test before boarding, by the way.

Meanwhile, they believe that the case discovered in Belgium was the result of local transmission. There are also no direct flights between Belgium and S-Africa. More than 40 'suspect' cases are still being investigated in Belgium.

This is one hell of a virus...
We don't know a lot, more contagious doesn't have to mean more dangerous and we don't know if it bypasses the vaccine.
A lot is the typical media hysteria and fear porn that we already had one year ago when different mutations got discovered. Of course it's concerning, but the media will always go full panic mode (how many potential pandemics did we have this century before Covid 19? 4 or 5 at least)
 

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South Africa has a very low vax rate and from what @djpbaltimore said above this mutation might be driven with the failures in the HIV epidemic. From what I have heard that the covid therapeutics by merck and pfizer would work well here because they work on the machinery of replication not the spike protein along with other therapeutics like fluvoxamine. Those drugs reduce deaths by 90% as published in lancet. It fights the inflammatory response. The formal trials of therapeutics by Merck and Pfizer have reduced deaths to 0. The FDA will decide on Merck's drug this Tuesday and that means if favorable they would have that drug out there in around 2 weeks.
So why the panic by the media? Because they are misinformed and running to get out a story. Its sad and manipulative.
 
If you're "personally against mandating vaccination" then what are you doing about it? Are you pushing back against it? Reaching out to state & federal officials? Your Congressman & Senator? I have several relatives, friends & acquaintances who are all fully vaccinated and express the same disapproval of the vaccine mandates. I ask them the same question and many are indifferent not wanting to answer. A few have told me they don't feel comfortable getting involved but yet say they're angered by the mandates. And there must be millions of vaccinated Americans on both sides of the political spectrum who are against the mandates. But again - what are they doing about it?

Myself, my son & a few friends of mine recoverd & also with natural immunity have done all we can reaching out to local, state & federal officials as well as to our district Congressional leaders. I'm sure they're not going to take naturally-immune unvaccinated citizens very serious. Lol. This is especially true in light of the fact that the objective of the POTUS & Liberal leadership is to vaccinate every man, woman & child regardless of any other circumstances.

It's interesting that in 5th Circuit Appeals Court ruling the court said the mandates true purpose is not to enhance workplace safety but to instead ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.


It's not longer about public health but power & control, and a means to punish those who invoke informed consent & simply decline vaccination.

A good article on this subject by Kulldorff & Bhattacharya:

If you've read anything I've posted about this issue you will see where I stand on various businesses and the need for strategic testing and/or vaccination. It's not a one size fits all and good luck with your eternal, natural immunity. You assume many things about the political motivations, too.
 
Yeah, countries are stopping travelling again and experts are saying it's really concerning, but of course it's just people on a forum panicking...
However, if it should turn out to not be problematic or even helpful in pushing Delta aside, good for all of us.
The US has 40% unvaccinated.
My brother is one of them and he waited after 2 days of working around us to disclose that. He is not observing any protocols as he feels he is so healthy that if he gets it....it won't be that serious of an impact. We asked him to stay with the outside work.
 
South Africa has a very low vax rate and from what @djpbaltimore said above this mutation might be driven with the failures in the HIV epidemic. From what I have heard that the covid therapeutics by merck and pfizer would work well here because they work on the machinery of replication not the spike protein along with other therapeutics like fluvoxamine. Those drugs reduce deaths by 90% as published in lancet. It fights the inflammatory response. The formal trials of therapeutics by Merck and Pfizer have reduced deaths to 0. The FDA will decide on Merck's drug this Tuesday and that means if favorable they would have that drug out there in around 2 weeks.
So why the panic by the media? Because they are misinformed and running to get out a story. Its sad and manipulative.
Watching broadcast this morning by CNN, Fox, CBS , OAN all had a measured approach to analysis. No one, NO ONE was saying the virus is on our continent but wisely suggest it's a possibility. No panic on those networks.
Don't know where you get your news, but if it makes you sad and manipulated maybe check with multiple sources.
 
Watching broadcast this morning by CNN, Fox, CBS , OAN all had a measured approach to analysis. No one, NO ONE was saying the virus is on our continent but wisely suggest it's a possibility. No panic on those networks.
Don't know where you get your news, but if it makes you sad and manipulated maybe check with multiple sources.
Agreed. CNN was pretty measured about it from what I saw. But the real test will be when the antibody evasion studies get released. Those are going have a lot of potential to induce unnecessary panic coverage.

For what it's worth (seems very early to make solid conclusions):
One of the best sources for vaccine info too. Heard the majority of cases were unvaccinated, but that may not mean much given the low rates in the country.
 
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So what does that look like, bunch of foreign nationals in hospitals outside their home country, and at admission want to be medievaced to another country?
South Africans @10% infected landing in the Netherlands? One plane..think about JFK,La Guardia and Newark,Boston,Miami during Christmas crunch..
I am really curious to see how the data is used..so a flight from S.Africa to the Netherlands has @10% positive test result..what does that mean for the West?not saying anything bad about Netherlands but I am thinking that airports in Germany and France are busier, what is there testing policy? And what does open borders look like? I had many experiences were it was cheaper to fly and drive from Frankfort and I was going to Belgium..and in Belgium it's fairly common for the ferry going to Dover to be close to full depending on the time of year..don't see how you contain anything, anyone easily.
Will wait and see how the US and Canada react to a random plane coming up @10% positive..don't see them waiting too long and in the United States..@900 point stock market dive usually gets government attention..
 
Looking at Covid-19 holistically since the pandemic began I would agree. But on the Omicron variant if it results in MILD disease, WITHOUT prominent symptoms then I think that's very good news and we need to calm down.
That would probably be the best case scenary, a variant that is really contagious, but only results in mild syndromes.
 

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Watching broadcast this morning by CNN, Fox, CBS , OAN all had a measured approach to analysis. No one, NO ONE was saying the virus is on our continent but wisely suggest it's a possibility. No panic on those networks.
Don't know where you get your news, but if it makes you sad and manipulated maybe check with multiple sources.
When the news play a story over and over along with print media over and over. As if its on a loop with no new facts then its panic sensationalized story telling.
None of the Sources you put in your post are that great with the exception of CBS. No one mentioned sad and manipulated until you brought it up in your post. As you said before - You are like the other gas huffer around here.
 
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Watching broadcast this morning by CNN, Fox, CBS , OAN all had a measured approach to analysis. No one, NO ONE was saying the virus is on our continent but wisely suggest it's a possibility. No panic on those networks.
Don't know where you get your news, but if it makes you sad and manipulated maybe check with multiple sources.
Even the local news isn't going chicken little yet.
 
I am really curious to see how the data is used..so a flight from S.Africa to the Netherlands has @10% positive test result..what does that mean for the West?not saying anything bad about Netherlands but I am thinking that airports in Germany and France are busier, what is there testing policy?
usually there is none. When you enter Germany by plane, you need to show proof that you are either vaccinated, recovered or/and tested, and then you move on.

If the area you come from is classified as "high risk" or "country affected by coronavirus variants", you then need to quarantine (at home) for 5-14 days - but there is no mandatory testing on German ground. Most other European countries have similar rules. So I think there is no doubt that the new variant will be everywhere already.
 
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If you've read anything I've posted about this issue you will see where I stand on various businesses and the need for strategic testing and/or vaccination. It's not a one size fits all and good luck with your eternal, natural immunity. You assume many things about the political motivations, too.
It shouldn't be "one size fits all" but it is when the vaxx czar clearly wants to vaccinate every man, woman & child in this country regardless of any other circumstances. Lol.

I'm not assuming "many things" about the political motivations. C'mon man - aren't you a baby boomer like me? We've been around awhile & you shouldn't be oblivious to the motivation of Liberal leadership with the power & control they want over people with the vaccine mandates.

Take that dictator from NYC who implemented the "Key to NYC" vaccine passport that allows only the vaccinated to participate in society (indoor dining, sporting events, concerts, theater, museums, gyms, rec centers, etc). If it's really about public health & not politics, the mayor would have allowed a negative test & recently recovered to be exempted. But instead by allowing only the vaccinated, he clearly is punishing the unvaccinated for declining the vaccine. Same type of passport system in San Fran. And LA has that crazy system with their citywide mandate that specifies if you're unvaccinated, you not only need a negative test but you have to apply for a religious exemption from the particular business you want to patronize! Lol.

This is authoritarianism with these municipalities. It's not about public health but simply punishing the unvaccinated...period. You won't find any of this BS in the Red states. For example, Florida has never had any mask mandates, vaccine mandates or any ridiculous vaccine passports - Informed Consent & the right to decline a medical procedure/intervention is honored! If you can't see this, then you're just not being honest.

 
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Good article on the obesity pandemic & Covid:


"Dariush Mozaffarian, dean of the Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy, and a cardiologist, knew the United States was in trouble. He has spent a career watching Americans gain weight — nearly three quarters of us are now overweight or obese — and he knew that we needed to eat more unprocessed foods, and exercise regularly."

"But his message mostly went unheard."

"In fact, his own recent research, he says, suggests that “64% of all the hospitalizations from COVID could have been prevented, if we had a metabolically healthy population, without the rates of obesity and diabetes and hypertension that we have now.”

"Just take a minute to let that sink in."

"Remember months of overcrowded hospitals? TV footage of packed ICUs, overworked medical staff, patients who couldn’t have their loved ones come visit them."

"Now imagine that two out of every three patients could have avoided being hospitalized."

"And Mozaffarian suspects that the death rate could have been similarly reduced."
 
It shouldn't be "one size fits all" but it is when the vaxx czar clearly wants to vaccinate every man, woman & child in this country regardless of any other circumstances. Lol.

I'm not assuming "many things" about the political motivations. C'mon man - aren't you a baby boomer like me? We've been around awhile & you shouldn't be oblivious to the motivation of Liberal leadership with the power & control they want over people with the vaccine mandates.

Take that dictator from NYC who implemented the "Key to NYC" vaccine passport that allows only the vaccinated to participate in society (indoor dining, sporting events, concerts, theater, museums, gyms, rec centers, etc). If it's really about public health & not politics, the mayor would have allowed a negative test & recently recovered to be exempted. But instead by allowing only the vaccinated, he clearly is punishing the unvaccinated for declining the vaccine. Same type of passport system n San Fran. And LA has that crazy system with their passport where if you're unvaccinated, you not only need a negative test but you have to apply for a religious exemption from the particular business you want to patronize! Lol.

This is authoritarianism with these municipalities. It's not about public health but simply punishing the unvaccinated...period. You won't find any this BS in the Red states. For example, Florida has never had any mask mandates, vaccine mandates or any ridiculous vaccine passports - informed consent & the right to decline a medical procedure/intervention is honored! If you can't see this, then you're just not being honest.

My, do you ever look outside your country? There are dozens of countries around the world with totally different kind of political leadership who have a lot stricter rules than the US, pretty much every country wants as much of their population to be vaccinated. It's just incredible how political this topic must be in the US and how you keep on framing this as a question of liberals or republicans. You can look at this from several angles and maybe in the end it will turn out that vaccinations weren't as helpful as hoped for, but this sounds like the US is the world and it's all about left-right. That's, sorry, bs. If you really believe the call for masks and vaccinations is a plot of your government to control you, help Dan Brown write his next thriller instead of spreading these views online.
 

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