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UK officially sequenced omicron cases are way behind the actual figure, which was estimated at around 70-80% of all new cases last time I looked. Anecdotally it seems London especially is swamped with it at the moment, everyone I know there either has it or knows several people with it. Hospitalisations in London are rising quite fast but it's believed a lot of these are hospitalised 'with' covid not 'for' covid, as patients on ventilation haven't increased at all. Delta cases supposedly falling quite quickly now, but I imagine most deaths currently are delta.
What does that mean?
 
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UK officially sequenced omicron cases are way behind the actual figure, which was estimated at around 70-80% of all new cases last time I looked. Anecdotally it seems London especially is swamped with it at the moment, everyone I know there either has it or knows several people with it. Hospitalisations in London are rising quite fast but it's believed a lot of these are hospitalised 'with' covid not 'for' covid, as patients on ventilation haven't increased at all. Delta cases supposedly falling quite quickly now, but I imagine most deaths currently are delta.

Not seeing much increase in this data?

UK: Daily new hospital admissions for COVID-19 (ourworldindata.org)
 
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Good T cell response against Omicron from both vaccinated & previously infected:


Study significance

"The study findings reveal that the majority of T cell epitopes targeted in vaccinated or previously infected individuals remain unaffected by omicron mutations. Thus, it can be expected that pre-existing T cell immunity will have a robust impact against the newly emerged omicron variant."

"Overall, the study highlights the significance of robust T cell responses in preventing severe omicron infections, despite increased infectivity and antibody escape ability of the variant."
 
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Some good news.
The Food and Drug Administration authorized the first oral antiviral treatment for COVID-19, Pfizer's Paxlovid drug.

Head of the USA CDC says 70% and up to 90% of cases is omnicron. There was a story somewhere that said 1 death has been attributed to the omnicron variant.
 
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Yeah in UK overall it's pretty flat as the London area is about a week further along the wave than other regions. But if you look at the London only figures on the gov website you see hospitalisations are increasing fast, which looks pretty scary until you scroll further down and see ventilated patients haven't increased at all.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsRegion&areaName=London

Also this article just published basically confirms this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ower-with-omicron-than-delta-uk-data-suggests
 
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Yeah in UK overall it's pretty flat as the London area is about a week further along the wave than other regions. But if you look at the London only figures on the gov website you see hospitalisations are increasing fast, which looks pretty scary until you scroll further down and see ventilated patients haven't increased at all.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsRegion&areaName=London

Also this article just published basically confirms this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ower-with-omicron-than-delta-uk-data-suggests
Yes, most of the early data suggests omicron is significantly less virulent than delta. But it is still early days and governments are erring on the side of caution until we know for sure. In my country, yesterday QR code check-ins in all hospitality and retail settings were re-introduced. I hope it is only for a short time.
 
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Yes, most of the early data suggests omicron is significantly less virulent than delta. But it is still early days and governments are erring on the side of caution until we know for sure. In my country, yesterday QR code check-ins in all hospitality and retail settings were re-introduced. I hope it is only for a short time.
Sorry to read they are bringing back QR code check-ins. I hope like you and for you that its only a short time.
The early data looks encouraging also I do think the South African data and info was really good news.
 
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Where you getting that from? Nobody here is saying that.
The UK had 40-50k delta cases a day for months. Delta didn't just disappear.
UK officially sequenced omicron cases are way behind the actual figure, which was estimated at around 70-80% of all new cases last time I looked. Anecdotally it seems London especially is swamped with it at the moment, everyone I know there either has it or knows several people with it. Hospitalisations in London are rising quite fast but it's believed a lot of these are hospitalised 'with' covid not 'for' covid, as patients on ventilation haven't increased at all. Delta cases supposedly falling quite quickly now, but I imagine most deaths currently are delta.
The people are hospitalized with covid but not for covid? Didn't we play this game already all last year with covid deaths? I seriously doubt delta cases are going down that much.
 
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Yes, most of the early data suggests omicron is significantly less virulent than delta. But it is still early days and governments are erring on the side of caution until we know for sure. In my country, yesterday QR code check-ins in all hospitality and retail settings were re-introduced. I hope it is only for a short time.

Masks being reintroduced to all indoor settings now also (apart from in personal homes). Happy Holidays :(
 

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The UK had 40-50k delta cases a day for months. Delta didn't just disappear.
The people are hospitalized with covid but not for covid? Didn't we play this game already all last year with covid deaths? I seriously doubt delta cases are going down that much.
In the USA the CDC says omnicron is the dominate varriant. Why would the UK be different?

Every hospital regardless of issue requires a test before admission. They could be coming in for a finger surgery or appendectomy. They are required to test and then its a positive for covid. They did not show up to the hospital with covid symptoms and in many cases will never show symptoms. Yet they are admitted into the hospital for the procedure they showed up with and are now a covid patient.

 
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The beuracrats want you to wear a mask in your own home. If they could they would require it and punish those who do not comply. Meanwhile the tv doctors continue to spread garbage via the media.
The only solace I would get from that would be if the bureaucrats themselves are forced to wear these claustrophobic devices in their own homes. The pandemic has created a media and politician led gravy train and they are milking it for all its worth before it inevitably fades. Example, focusing on rising case counts due to delta/omicron rather than hospitalizations. TV doctors are part of this but if the media wants to pay me big bucks to share my professional opinion I'm not saying no.

p.s. Another day of data and the UK is strongly suggesting omicron is massively less virulent. Still no sign of increasing deaths or hospitalizations after the massive spike in cases. The spike started around Dec 15, the below data is to Dec 22. Still a little early to draw conclusions but I am optimistic, hopefully the TV doctors and health bureaucrats are working on their I got it wrong spiels.

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

UK: Daily new hospital admissions for COVID-19 (ourworldindata.org)
 
Interesting. If it does work well it could be using as a booster shot in the future.
I had mentioned before that private facilities had been authorized to accelerate military C19 vaccines that had been made available very early on in the US. Key players in government had access and most took the opportunity. This would seem to be along the same research track that doesn't necessarily go to the CDC or private side until proven.
 
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Maybe ranagazoo was just making a flyby and won't be back to answer what they meant?

Yaco and Ultrairon pretty much summed it up already, people testing positive while hospitalised for a different issue. The main indicator is that London covid hospitalisations have been going up for 8 or 9 days but the patients on ventilation number hasn't risen at all. Usually these two values follow the same trends within a day or two of each other but not this time. Also reported that average time spend in hospital is loads shorter
 
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