Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[djpbaltimore]

yeah, it's all in that document linked above. 18845485 16+ fully vaccinated + 910352 aged 12-15 equals 76,9% of the population.

Of course you can argue that it makes sense to only take those eligable into account. But as no other country but Australia seems to do that, the number used for international comparison should still be the one for the full population, I'd say.

Thank you. Those are the numbers I was finding. That is why I found the comparison with Maryland interesting. We have 70% vaccination rate as a proportion of the whole population with much higher past infection immunity than Australia and that has not stopped the current outbreak which is a combination delta/ omicron.

I was going off the Hopkins data and I posted the links along with my opinion on them. You had data from the state that showed different information. Is it about being right and wrong?

Now above 2500 hospitalizations.

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-transmission-soars-over-185700898.html

 

[Cookster15]

Dr Nick Coatsworth says 2022 will end the Covid pandemic

It has been a rough couple of years, but the light at the end of the pandemic tunnel is already upon us according to Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer Dr Nick Coatsworth.

www.news.com.au

 

[djpbaltimore]

My favorite genre of this pandemic is when medical experts take credit for the virus becoming endemic. Look at how we are successfully making covid19 endemic....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476618243628572675

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/mhaonline/status/1476618243628572675

 

[Ultrairon]

Thank you. Those are the numbers I was finding. That is why I found the comparison with Maryland interesting. We have 70% vaccination rate as a proportion of the whole population with much higher past infection immunity than Australia and that has not stopped the current outbreak which is a combination delta/ omicron.


Now above 2500 hospitalizations.

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-19-transmission-soars-over-185700898.html

I'm not going to give you a thumbs up for posting the number of hospitalizations.
Some here are. If you look at the case numbers and then the hospitalizations the percentages prove out that omnicron is much less virulent. Just because the federal government is not prepared in the USA is not the populations fault.

 

[Cookster15]

I'm not going to give you a thumbs up for posting the number of hospitalizations.
Some here are. If you look at the case numbers and then the hospitalizations the percentages prove out that omnicron is much less virulent. Just because the federal government is not prepared in the USA is not the populations fault.

The article I posted above confirms the same on omicron from the other side of the world. The expert also says the strain on health workers should be less then seen with delta despite many more cases. Omicron has seen some rise in hospitalisations but minimal rise in ICU admissions. Of course this is so far. But the signs are promising,

 

[jmdirt]

The article I posted above confirms the same on omicron from the other side of the world. The expert also says the strain on health workers should be less then seen with delta despite many more cases. Omicron has seen some rise in hospitalisations but minimal rise in ICU admissions. Of course this is so far. But the signs are promising,

If the number of SC2 patients is higher, how can the strain on healthcare workers be less?

 

[jmdirt]

Dr Nick Coatsworth says 2022 will end the Covid pandemic

It has been a rough couple of years, but the light at the end of the pandemic tunnel is already upon us according to Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer Dr Nick Coatsworth.

www.news.com.au

I'm taking him at his word but if this is true that would certainly help the healthcare system, BUT for healthcare workers its still another daunting day in the trenches even if the bodies are changing more rapidly. Less death will hopefully help their mental/emotional status a bit.

From the link: "Another key point he made was that evidence suggested the amount of time people were spending in hospital was halved with the Omicron variant, meaning the capacity of hospitals had effectively doubled."

 

[yaco]

We are in the middle of a pandemic so it's only natural there will be a greater strain on hospital resources . Some industries such as pathology/distribution centres have been extremely busy, while others like hospitality and tourism have nearly been decimated - This is the nature of pandemics - I actually feel sympathy for all those who experience an increased workload during the pandemic.

 

[Cookster15]

If the number of SC2 patients is higher, how can the strain on healthcare workers be less?

From the article:

“However, he said that with a highly-vaccinated population and a milder variant, the impact on the health system is going to be far lower than that of previous strains”

 

[Cookster15]

From the link: "Another key point he made was that evidence suggested the amount of time people were spending in hospital was halved with the Omicron variant, meaning the capacity of hospitals had effectively doubled."

He is saying the Omicron variant is far less virulent. Hospital capacities certainly haven’t suddenly increased.

 

[movingtarget]

Britain got it wrong on Covid: long lockdown did more harm than good, says scientist

A new book outlines the mistakes and missteps that made UK pandemic worse

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jagartrott]

You need to use another tracker - Figures today have Australia at 90.4% fully vaccinated -Places like Australia, Portugal, Singapore and Canada are places to follow because of their high VAXX rates.

I'd advise to also follow Denmark. Highly vaccinated country, but also good hospital capacity, and among the 'frontrunners' regarding the omicron outbreak. Portugal has low hospital capacity, so their hospital admission numbers can be deceiving (as they will be stricter in selection). Singapore has a totally different climate, and Australia is in their summer - which may make comparisons to mid-latitude winter areas more difficult.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I'm not going to give you a thumbs up for posting the number of hospitalizations.
Some here are. If you look at the case numbers and then the hospitalizations the percentages prove out that omnicron is much less virulent. Just because the federal government is not prepared in the USA is not the populations fault.

Who is talking about the govt? I am pointing out Maryland because it is a high vaccinated state with surging omicron. Still a lot of residual delta too, but I don't see how you can have an omicron surge without delta surging in tandem if most mitigation strategies are removed. Places like Australia haven't vaccinated enough to prevent big outbreaks. What you do about it is discussion for a different forum.

 

[yaco]

Australia is at an interesting phase - averaging +30,000 cases per day which gives around 200,000 cases per week - According to the experts the true figure is 5 times that amount which equates to a million cases per week - Continue this projection and they will get through a good part of the 24 million population - Last two days 65,000 cases = 12 deaths.

 

[jmdirt]

He is saying the Omicron variant is far less virulent. Hospital capacities certainly haven’t suddenly increased.

What? Were did I say that hospital capacity is increasing? All I said was that if HIS statement is correct that could help the healthcare system.

 

[jmdirt]

From the article:

“However, he said that with a highly-vaccinated population and a milder variant, the impact on the health system is going to be far lower than that of previous strains”

Hospitalization numbers are at the highest point ever in many places so that is not lower impact.

EDIT: This is from your quote above: " Omicron has seen some rise in hospitalizations..."

 

[Cookster15]

What? Were did I say that hospital capacity is increasing? All I said was that if HIS statement is correct that could help the healthcare system.

I guess I misunderstood you.

 

[Cookster15]

Hospitalization numbers are at the highest point ever in many places so that is not lower impact.

EDIT: This is from your quote above: " Omicron has seen some rise in hospitalizations..."

The quote I posted also says omicron is a) less virulent and b) vaccination is helping. He suggests that both factors will reduce load on health systems and that we can be optimistic despite high case counts in the short term.

On the first point this is still being researched but I believe to be true. On the 2nd that is self evident. Both will reduce hospitalisations.

But what I am reading from posters here including yourself is pessimism or as I like to call it -‘ glass half empty’. I, like the expert quoted see a ‘glass half full’ which should be cause for optimism after all we have been through.

 

[Cookster15]

Australia's Omicron crisis could soon end after 37,000 daily cases

Federal health officials are quietly hopeful the worst of Australia's Omicron wave could be over within weeks with modelling from South Africa showing promising signs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Cookster15]

Australia is at an interesting phase - averaging +30,000 cases per day which gives around 200,000 cases per week

Yes the case counts are scary but ICU admissions are flat or even slightly declined depending which state.

But looking at case counts around the world the omicron case explosion isn’t just happening in Australia either.

 

[jmdirt]

The quote I posted also says omicron is a) less virulent and b) vaccination is helping. He suggests that both factors will reduce load on health systems and that we can be optimistic despite high case counts in the short term.

On the first point this is still being researched but I believe to be true. On the 2nd that is self evident. Both will reduce hospitalisations.

But what I am reading from posters here including yourself is pessimism or as I like to call it -‘ glass half empty’. I, like the expert quoted see a ‘glass half full’ which should be cause for optimism after all we have been through.

I already admitted to being a pessimistic realist, but who hopes things get better as soon as possible. The realist part of me can't see any way to optimism when hospital numbers in many places are going up...how can that be a glass half full? Last June/July, I was very optimistic, glass nearly full. Plus, the pessimist in me expects a post holiday surge in many places. Less serious disease is good no matter if its from immunity (vax or other), or because O is less virulent, but if it still leads to increased hospital numbers that is bad, but if there are less deaths that is good. Its not that I can't see both sides.

 

[Unchained]

Federal testing supply in the USA is a absolute embarrassment. Fed gov did not invest in any testing from Jan to Sep 2021. What a waste of time and money.
I can go online and buy from biovaxnow. The fed dropped the ball once again on testing.

This is the absolute best post every, I agree with it 100%. But irony throughout,you posted previously that testing was like some kind of medical confetti, everywhere,could not avoid stepping on a free available,fast turn around test..fast,free,accurate,available testing wasn't available 2 years ago as it was promised, and full ground hog day,still not available.

Few funny tweets about Antonio Brown running off the field because he was late for his Covid vaccine appointment!!

The world is readying itself for Covid protests. Here in the United States,leaders saying out loud, that the country should be divided into believe in the vaccine and virus and another separate country Ununited States where history is written as to the make believe nature of the last 2 years.

I saw videos of Amsterdam protests..minor league, we will show the world the Super Bowl of Covid protests

 

[Cookster15]

I already admitted to being a pessimistic realist, but who hopes things get better as soon as possible. The realist part of me can't see any way to optimism when hospital numbers in many places are going up...how can that be a glass half full? Last June/July, I was very optimistic, glass nearly full. Plus, the pessimist in me expects a post holiday surge in many places. Less serious disease is good no matter if its from immunity (vax or other), or because O is less virulent, but if it still leads to increased hospital numbers that is bad, but if there are less deaths that is good. Its not that I can't see both sides.

Yes I know you’ve told me you are a pessimist . All I have been doing is trying to inject some balance here based upon what we are seeing in Australia and confirmed by people who should know.

I think we should hold fort on our conclusions until more data confirms the impact as I think it’s “early days”. I remain optimistic the impact on health systems will start to wane. In some metrics eg ICU admissions it already is despite the scary case counts.

 

[Ultrairon]

Yes I know you’ve told me you are a pessimist . All I have been doing is trying to inject some balance here based upon what we are seeing in Australia and confirmed by people who should know.

I think we should hold fort on our conclusions until more data confirms the impact as I think it’s “early days”. I remain optimistic the impact on health systems will start to wane. In some metrics eg ICU admissions it already is despite the scary case counts.

Is it early though? All we have to do is go to the source of the omnicron variant to find the answer. Yet many refuse to even acknowledge what went on there.

I am sure the doctors that said this are just incompetent and not to be trusted. If only fauci the tv doctor would say these things.
Omicron Cases Are Hitting Highs, But New Data Puts End in Sight (msn.com)

Clinical Severity of COVID-19 Patients Admitted to Hospitals in Gauteng, South Africa During the Omicron-Dominant Fourth Wave by Waasila Jassat, Salim Abdool Karim, Caroline Mudara, Richard Welch, Lovelyn Ozougwu, Michelle Groome, Nevashan Govender, Anne von Gottberg, Nicole Wolter, DATCOV Author Group, Lucille Blumberg, Cheryl Cohen :: SSRN

 

[Keram]

How it is possible that hospital admissons are high but ICU cases are flat? Is it about infections in hospitals more than previous waves?