Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[Koronin]

crazy the numbers of questions not asked or answered.
how many Americans have been tested? 25% of the population..50%. Any number less is scary?
what is happening to the FDA staffing and budget? America was only inspecting a tiny fraction of the food,drugs consumed by Americans..obviously drastic increase in food inspection needed. No time to waste.
have 20% of the U.S. have access to gloves masks and hand sanitizer?
Are the people advising top U.S. Officials that said everything was under control of contained still in the employ of the US?
Do we have a plan to ensure long term that @40% of children are fed at home instead of school?
Is there any national legislation to ensure that all our schools,all are children have access to a school nurse?
we see now that front line is early identification of who is ill.

Numbers tested is still less than 1% of the population. Remember the population of the country is over 326 million and number tested is (as far as I know from reports I've seen) less than than 500,000. To get to 25% of the US population you'd have had to have tested over 80 million people at this point.

 

[Koronin]

Here's an interesting article:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241520921.html

 

[aphronesis]

Numbers tested is still less than 1% of the population. Remember the population of the country is over 326 million and number tested is (as far as I know from reports I've seen) less than than 500,000. To get to 25% of the US population you'd have had to have tested over 80 million people at this point.

That’s one of the generally unstated reasons for containment (aside from resource strain), there’s the need to get a metric

 

[Koronin]

That’s one of the generally unstated reasons for containment (aside from resource strain), there’s the need to get a metric

There's a county in Colorado is trying antibody testing in an attempt to find out who has had it. A county of 8,000 should be a decent test case for that I would think (hope).

 

[aphronesis]

Yeah, I saw. That will enable them to work out their product in real time, do some articulation of the virus, and then expand on that expertise going forward with new ones.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I used the term 'dark arts' earlier. But the chloroquine study is leaning more toward outright fraud after learning more details. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is too naive. We'll see what the randomized clinical trials show.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242889208651448322

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/schneiderleonid/status/1242889208651448322

 

[aphronesis]

You saw the couple in Arizona who ingested fishtank “filler”? Good stuff. It might be awhile before things coalesce.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

You saw the couple in Arizona who ingested fishtank “filler”? Good stuff. It might be awhile before things coalesce.

Ja, while not directed at me specifically as an ardent keeper of fish in the past I don't think this was a particularly bright idea on the parts of the humans.

 

[nevele neves]

...the seasonal flu doesn't crash hospitals and the health care facilities of entire countries. It isn't that hospitals are overwhelmed because too many people are coming...it's that the people who need acute care are overwhelming the hospitals...the flu doesn't do that.

I did not write it note the quotes. But it does point out some of the flaws that are going on. I'm certain you can figure that out.

 

[nevele neves]

Where are you getting that number from?

Jesus Christ. Did anyone see the quotes? I am uncertain where they got the number but just after that or should I say not long after that this site had it up above 1000 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

[nevele neves]

I don't eat swine.

 

[jmdirt]

Jesus Christ. Did anyone see the quotes? I am uncertain where they got the number but just after that or should I say not long after that this site had it up above 1000 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Wait, you got th numbers from Jesus Christ?! Its might be end times huh?!

 

[jmdirt]

Well that's kind of a silly argument considering if you hop back to December you could say the same for every animal at a wet market. I've read (too long ago to remember specifics) that many of the 'common' virus and bacteria that make us sick now came from cattle, goats, sheep...they might not have shut down the globe but that's also an tough argument because even 50 years ago C19 likely wouldn't have even gotten out of China.

Is there any proof that C19 came from a bat? I saw pictures of live birds crapping on raw meat at a wet market, how about that?

EDIT: it looks like dj already posted that.

The first cases were tied to seafood market workers who ate Pangolin (that might have been bitten by a bat) so that kinda kills the "stop eating bats" chants. But that's only a hypothesis at best. How would they really know (especially at this point)? Maybe their fish were bitten by bats?

 

[nevele neves]

I used the term 'dark arts' earlier. But the chloroquine study is leaning more toward outright fraud after learning more details. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is too naive. We'll see what the randomized clinical trials show.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242889208651448322

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/schneiderleonid/status/1242889208651448322

interesting. So the French doctor and the NYC hospital was lying?

 

[nevele neves]

Wait, you got th numbers from Jesus Christ?! Its might be end times huh?!

whatever maybe go ride a bike I guess except in Chicago that is banned.

 

[nevele neves]

I used the term 'dark arts' earlier. But the chloroquine study is leaning more toward outright fraud after learning more details. Giving them the benefit of the doubt is too naive. We'll see what the randomized clinical trials show.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1242889208651448322

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/schneiderleonid/status/1242889208651448322

while sitting in Mendoza I'm not going to twitter for any medical info. I also don't go to the president of the USA.
Why not just wait for these?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resu...=hydroxychloroquine&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=

"At least 13 clinical trials around the world are in progress or have been announced, giving researchers the opportunity to try to evaluate its effects on patients with the virus.

The research is still in very early stages. Far more studies would need to be done before it could even be deemed effective, let alone widely prescribed to patients."

 

[jmdirt]

whatever maybe go ride a bike I guess except in Chicago that is banned.

15 rides in 16 days!

 

[Nirvana]

I know we have figures for Italy, but do we have death figures for Lombardia, is the death rate and new cases decreasing there?

Of course we have, i've posted the data every day here until last week but then i stopped because for various reasons it's a very partial report, they reduced testing to almost only severe cases, they consider recovered people sent home to free places in hospitals even if still infected, the intensive care places increase reflects only the new places added because everything is full since the beginning of the month and local mayors reported that a lot of people die at home without even being tested.


Anyway that's the data from Lombardia as of yesterday at 17:00 (in brackets the daily increase):

*87.713 tested (+6.047).
*34.889 total cases (+2.543).
*22.189 infected at the moment (+1.598).
*7.839 recovered (+558).
*4.861 deaths (+387).
*1.263 in intensive care at the moment (+27).

 

[Merckx index]

The original French HCQ study never claimed that it showed the drug improved people's condition, or accelerated recovery. What it did show was those treated with the drug exhibited greatly reduced virus in nasal swabs. The difference between experimentals and controls was striking, and even greater when HCQ was combined with another drug. This suggests to me it might reduce spreading.

I'm surprised no researchers--including the authors of the study-- have picked up on that, though given the side effects of the drug, it might be difficult to persuade people to take something that might not help them personally. At the very least, it seems to me this is another avenue of research that ought to be pursued. A drug that simply reduces shedding of the virus would be of major benefit.

 

[RedheadDane]

Jesus Christ. Did anyone see the quotes? I am uncertain where they got the number but just after that or should I say not long after that this site had it up above 1000 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Yeah, it's definitely over 1000. Quick google search and...

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer

Updated total and statistics, graphs and charts tracking the total number of deaths, deaths per day, and death by country from the Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

 

[Nirvana]

From the mayor of Bergamo Twitter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243204679934324738

View: https://twitter.com/giorgio_gori/status/1243204679934324738



Next year will be really interesting to count the differences when the 2020 census will come out.

 

[Nirvana]

Meanwhile here this morning there is an infinite chorus of ambulances that can be heard in the general silence (the only noise around is the wind blowing through the buildings) that probably means a worsening of the situation.

 

[aphronesis]

Ethics in the Time of the Coronavirus: "Very Existential Questions Arise in the Face of Scarce Resources"

The coronavirus pandemic poses a threat to our society, warns medical ethicist Christiane Woopen, the chair of the high-level European ethics body. In an interview, she explains how doctors decide which seriously ill patients to treat and the perils the disease creates for society as a whole.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The first cases were tied to seafood market workers who ate Pangolin (that might have been bitten by a bat) so that kinda kills the "stop eating bats" chants. But that's only a hypothesis at best. How would they really know (especially at this point)? Maybe their fish were bitten by bats?

People should stop eating bats anyway. They're cute and they dont deserve their bad rep.

 

[djpbaltimore]

You saw the couple in Arizona who ingested fishtank “filler”? Good stuff. It might be awhile before things coalesce.

Yep. And all the stories about dentists writing scripts for family and friends.

interesting. So the French doctor and the NYC hospital was lying?

There was no 'NYC hospital' data. The guy who was on TV lied about his affiliation to a NYC area hospital, yes. And there was a doctor who gave it to people without COVID-19.

What it did show was those treated with the drug exhibited greatly reduced virus in nasal swabs.

I'm surprised no researchers--including the authors of the study-- have picked up on that

Because they cherry-picked their sample so the dual treatment patients had the lowest viral burden at the onset of the study. Then artificially set criteria so the patients that the dual treatment was ineffective were not included in the final sample. How do you get something like this published? Put it through a small journal that you are the editor of. Its widely ignored because the people who know better realize the game.

Why not just wait for these?

And the first randomized trial from China... showed no efficacy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willia...-controlled-trial-from-shanghai/#5487f5906092