What is most common variant now? Still BA4/BA5? I heard somewhere there is new wave starting. Dificult to say here in Slovakia because testing is absent. I was testing myself only at home too.
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Does knowing the origin change your common sense prevention? If it came from the lab or the market does that change your strategy?
Not really. Confirmation that it was created specifically to infect populations would make me more alert, if anything. Presumably state actors willing to do that would also work to accentuate the impact and communicability. I'm not embracing conspiracy theories that it did occur but rogue rulers are what they are.
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Thank you for the info. Not sure why anyone thumbs up on a rise.
Thumbs up that Netserk posted the information.
Not sure why someone would use the laugh emoji for post about death, or posts about research, etc., , but one member of this forum has done that 100s of times.
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All bad news gets a thumbs up. It was the accepted norm here. Anyone who wants to inject any info that might look good not so much.
I laugh at the media links not at your government participation.
Despite what this economist suggests, the best evidence we have indicates that SC2 was a natural zoonosis. Two recent articles published this summer provide strong support for this conclusion. Significantly, Sachs does not even mention them in his report. If he is going to cherry pick that gratuitously, why should any one take his opinion seriously?
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With all due respect, that opinion is based more in conspiracy theory than reality.
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Why no transparancy at all? Seriously just be transparent. You think he is making it up before he was on the natural side now he says we need more info. And you come along to piss on any transparency. Like a puppet.
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Actually, Sachs said that he can't dismiss a natural cause.
He has done some good work in the past so I am giving him some grace.
There is certainly (way) more evidence of it being natural than lab, but I'm willing to keep reading because I wouldn't put it past ANY country to be developing something like this (that escapes). That was some of my point with my post above: OK, the US gov. is hiding something, why haven't other govs brought that up?
IMO, you are giving him too much credit. He has been talking lab leak to anyone willing to put a mic in his vicinity. He wrote an article in PNAS heavily implying that the FCS was engineered. But above all else, he lacks any relevant experience to offer an intelligent opinion on this.
That answer is not allowed in this forum. Why has there been no whistleblowers?
I guess there must be no more Mods around that you can call another poster a puppet twice and make those other accusations.
I remember when I was the first to challenge the hydroxychloroquine studies. And I was right about the fraud behind it. I call it as I see it. And everything about SC2 is consistent with viral spillover. Read the articles for yourself. Then just look around. There is another big Ebola outbreak brewing and monkeypox has spread wider than ever before. We are in a new age of zoonosis. I understand why blaming someone or some country for SC2 is emotionally appealing. But it is akin to acting like an ostrich and burying your head in the sand.
The bottom line with Sachs is he is basing his conclusion on 'void' proof. Most of the time that approach ends up wrong, but we'll see in time (maybe). I noticed that he stressed the FCS in the interview above, and I didn't think that he was correct in his assertion.
Also, like I typed above, at this point the origin is not the most important issue.
Lab leak covers different possibilities, it doesn't depend on gene manipulation. The most benign is a natural zoonosis that is accidentally provoked by the researchers, where they are (one of) the intermediates between the bats and the market.
An honest mistake that stems from not internalising the full extent of the externalities of the trade.
We know lab accidents have happened in the past, and we (should) have learned now what that potentially can cause. Even tiny risks are super expensive.
An honest mistake that stems from not internalising the full extent of the externalities of the trade.
We know lab accidents have happened in the past, and we (should) have learned now what that potentially can cause. Even tiny risks are super expensive.
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The global costs of covid-19 seem to be two or three digits of trillions of dollars, let's say it will end up as $100,000,000,000,000.
As a thought experiment, imagine that the labs would have to be insured and that they would be liable to pay all the damages if their neglect causes a pandemic.
If you think it's 99.9 % likely that a lab wasn't at fault and 0.1 % likely that it was, the expected damages it would have to pay would be $100 billion. That's what internalising the externalities would look like. So how much would it cost to insure such a lab going forward and what would the terms be?
As a thought experiment, imagine that the labs would have to be insured and that they would be liable to pay all the damages if their neglect causes a pandemic.
If you think it's 99.9 % likely that a lab wasn't at fault and 0.1 % likely that it was, the expected damages it would have to pay would be $100 billion. That's what internalising the externalities would look like. So how much would it cost to insure such a lab going forward and what would the terms be?
That would be a lot easier if there was greater transparency and accountability.
Like I typed above, transparency in national security matters is difficult at best.
You have zero idea what you are talking about. The reason everyone has focused on WIV is that they have been publishing in the literature since SARS1. Then they were the first to sequence the virus and published it in January 2020. They have been rewarded for their transparency by being accused of starting a pandemic that killed millions.
Don't bother bringing reality to this discussion with Netserk. He believes a cabal of virologists is responsible for the pandemic. It is qanon level.
Just read an interesting book about the pandemic,called The Premonition by Michael Lewis which was more specifically about getting a pandemic plan off the ground, and the early days of the pandemic. Interestingly the original idea for a pandemic plan was suggested by George Bush in 2005 after reading a book about the Spanish Flu. A lot of the book is about the struggle to get the plan in place and to coordinate the different US agencies to work together. The CDC comes across as a secret society that only wanted to run their own show and bizarrely wouldn't even offer advice on the draft plan or in most cases refused to read it ! Re the people it was sent to for comment. One former CDC director said the CDC should offer a public apology to the American people for dropping the ball so badly. Their bureaucratic labyrinths and dysfunction certainly cost lives especially in the early days of the pandemic.
But there was already trouble on the horizon when the Obama and Trump governments basically ignored the plan that Bush had pushed for. The real heroes in the Covid 19 battle were the state administrators, the ones that actually put strategies in place and liaised with the writers of the original plan who were all pushed into the background with the changes of government But their expertise was called on by the states when they realized that the federal government including the CDC didn't see what was coming or chose to downplay it.
But there was already trouble on the horizon when the Obama and Trump governments basically ignored the plan that Bush had pushed for. The real heroes in the Covid 19 battle were the state administrators, the ones that actually put strategies in place and liaised with the writers of the original plan who were all pushed into the background with the changes of government But their expertise was called on by the states when they realized that the federal government including the CDC didn't see what was coming or chose to downplay it.
This statement says alot about the logic in the Qniverse:
"As a thought experiment, imagine that the labs would have to be insured and that they would be liable to pay all the damages if their neglect causes a pandemic."
Suggesting that "thought" is more of an experiment than blind faith, perhaps.
Omicron boosters could arm you against variants that don’t yet exist
Worries that the immune system would get ‘stuck’ on the original SARS-CoV-2 strain are dispelled by laboratory experiments.
www.nature.com
WTH???
"Researchers at Boston University say they have developed a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate following a series of similar experiments first thought to have started the global pandemic that began in China."
"The variant, a combination of omicron and the original virus in Wuhan, killed 80% of the mice infected with it, the university said. When mice were only exposed to omicron, they experienced mild symptoms."
"Researchers at Boston University say they have developed a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate following a series of similar experiments first thought to have started the global pandemic that began in China."
"The variant, a combination of omicron and the original virus in Wuhan, killed 80% of the mice infected with it, the university said. When mice were only exposed to omicron, they experienced mild symptoms."
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NEIDL Researchers Refute UK Article about COVID Strain
Boston University is refuting a series of misleading claims about research at the University’s National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories (NEIDL). BU called the reporting “false and inaccurate,” and said, “this research made the virus replicate less dangerous.”
www.bu.edu
“We want to address the false and inaccurate reporting about Boston University COVID-19 research, which appeared today in the Daily Mail,” said the BU statement. “First, this research is not gain-of-function research, meaning it did not amplify the Washington state SARS-CoV-2 virus strain or make it more dangerous. In fact, this research made the virus replicate less dangerous.”
"The study set out to examine the spike proteins on the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant (BA.1). Researchers were interested in comparing the variant with the original virus strain, known as the Washington strain. They wanted to find out if the virus was truly less virulent, says Corley, “simply because it wasn’t infecting the same cells as the initial strain.” They were “interested in what part of the virus dictates how serious of a disease a person will get.”
“The animal model that was used was a particular type of mouse that is highly susceptible, and 80 to 100 percent of the infected mice succumb to disease from the original strain, the so-called Washington strain,” says Corley. “Whereas Omicron causes a very mild disease in these animals.”
That 80 percent number is what the media reports latched onto, misrepresenting the study and its goals.
“This was a statement taken out of context for the purposes of sensationalism,” says Corley, “and it totally misrepresents not only the findings, but [also] the purpose of the study.”
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