Yes and, as everyone seems to be accepting that they take cautions when necessary and get vaccinated for prevention like the flu. Two 70-80 women using the gym space where my wife worked are down with C19. Their trainer had to take a few days until test results showed her to be negative, so it's still a thing for people at risk. The trainer had to shelve 2 days of clients at an income of $85/perX 16 clients. She wouldn't call it "over" but still followed a protocol for prevention.
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School kids and the world looks at dr televison and the media and ask why? Even some of the strict countries like Japan kept school going. What a loser Dr Television turns out to be now and before with Aids. He pushed AZT like many then without listening to the actual patients. Dude is a human waste of time in my opinion.
NO masks :::::::::::: noble lie he says
next ::::: mask
then :::::::::3 or 4 masks. roflmao loser
yeah nah none of it makes a difference unless its a particular type N95. cloth and disposable is a piss in the wind. But its the divisive people to blame for his own muddled message.
NOW the HE says its all over only to be corrected by his own admin that wait a minute hold one ,,,, its not over? LOL its like this thread and all the pandemic pushers combining to give mixed messages all over again. No one here or anywhere made up the mans own words. he and dr television are a joke.
15 days and 3 years later to control the spread. Hey CDC says for the 3 years ---0 to 17 age group 1,280 have died of covid. All deaths during that same time 93,268 WOW. facts though.
NO masks :::::::::::: noble lie he says
next ::::: mask
then :::::::::3 or 4 masks. roflmao loser
yeah nah none of it makes a difference unless its a particular type N95. cloth and disposable is a piss in the wind. But its the divisive people to blame for his own muddled message.
NOW the HE says its all over only to be corrected by his own admin that wait a minute hold one ,,,, its not over? LOL its like this thread and all the pandemic pushers combining to give mixed messages all over again. No one here or anywhere made up the mans own words. he and dr television are a joke.
15 days and 3 years later to control the spread. Hey CDC says for the 3 years ---0 to 17 age group 1,280 have died of covid. All deaths during that same time 93,268 WOW. facts though.
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It's a good thing that it's over you can focus on more positive things.
Some people enjoy other people dying.
250-500 people are still dying every day in the USA. That's 91,000-182,500 per year. It has become 'acceptable' to have 30,000 die from influenza each year, but a few years before covid when we had a year that almost doubled that number it was a big deal. So, 90-180K is far from acceptable.
Developing neutralizing vaccines could reduce that number by 90% (ie: similar to polio).
EDIT: I don't want to argue semantics, but in my life the pandemic is so much different in the sense that it is not like 2020 or 2021. There is still more work to be done though (nasal, neutralizing, local awareness...). l have posted before, cancer is not over just because less people die from it now than 10 years ago, scientists are developing treatments everyday, and we change things in our lives to help reduce risks.
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It would appear that the thread, Covid,Influenza have all come full circle. Ultrairon,points out accurately that public information and messaging are not as bad today as they were,24-30 months ago, but still, literally have fatal flaws..Influenza is deadly.. each year deadly.. Influenza is not over, it can't be because of evolution.. World wide variations make a cure currently impossible.. Covid is over when there is no more sicknesses, no adverse side effects and of course, no deaths..
So it's clear that saying "mission accomplished, it's over" has to be taken absolutely, or it's should not be stated because it's real world, obviously wrong and inaccurate.
Like influenza, Covid treatment and preventive behaviors have made exponential progress in a short period of time..
The posts about legal wins or defeats about a disease in courts of law, again silly and misplaced.. Death and disease may be remedied in court for issues of liability but getting sick or not at this point can be determined by a judge, jury or lawyers, but that's if they infect you..
Profound sadness that over a million dead is not heartbreaking, not a tragedy, not the subject for reflection and empathy for people who suffered loss because of Covid..
So it's clear that saying "mission accomplished, it's over" has to be taken absolutely, or it's should not be stated because it's real world, obviously wrong and inaccurate.
Like influenza, Covid treatment and preventive behaviors have made exponential progress in a short period of time..
The posts about legal wins or defeats about a disease in courts of law, again silly and misplaced.. Death and disease may be remedied in court for issues of liability but getting sick or not at this point can be determined by a judge, jury or lawyers, but that's if they infect you..
Profound sadness that over a million dead is not heartbreaking, not a tragedy, not the subject for reflection and empathy for people who suffered loss because of Covid..
Scientists Find a New Coronavirus in Bats That Is Resistant to Current Vaccines
The virus was found in a population of bats in Russia
Broadly neutralizing antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and other human coronaviruses - Nature Reviews Immunology
The ancestral strain of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has evolved into a number of variants of concern. In this Review, Wang and colleagues discuss progress in the development and characterization of broadly neutralizing antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, which may lead to...
www.nature.com
Mother**!!!! While the conspiracy theorists suggested the original version was cooked up in a Ukraine lab is this a real, natural-occurring risk?Scientists Find a New Coronavirus in Bats That Is Resistant to Current Vaccines
The virus was found in a population of bats in Russiatime.com
This is hardly a concern as the current vaccines do little to stop transmission of COVID.
The flu season in Australia was initially bad for the month of June and then it dropped off and never went back up again. Not as bad as the govt and medical authorities predicted. Covid cases in my city were around 300 to 400 per day two months ago now down to the twenties. The only people required to mask up and isolate are medical workers now. Seems to be some disagreement within the medical community mainly about the end of isolation periods for the general community. As for masks I see less and less of them. Hardly anyone is using them now except in surgeries, medical centres and the like. The vaccine booster rate seems to be not moving much above the 65 % it has been for quite a while. Don't think it will get much higher by the looks of it. A lot of people had two and left it at that.
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Not sure if any of you have seen this yet or not. Appears to be a hopeful treatment option.
Magnitude of venous or capillary blood-derived SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell response determines COVID-19 immunity - Nature Communications
The presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies alone is not an accurate determinant of immunity. In this work, the authors investigate if whole-blood based measurement of SARS-CoV-2 specific T cell responses could prognosticate the risk of possible SARS-CoV-2 infection, and recapitulate their...
www.nature.com
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It is Shocking or is it really shocking that a transparent look into this was attacked once he asked for the details of the grant and also any potential conflicts of interest. They are still not telling anyone anything and claim anyone who wants transparency is anti Science. The details keep coming out that make them NIH look terrible.
Shameful. US lead and funded dangerous research. UNC wuhan and ecohealthalliance are all dirty.
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Crazy , scary stuff! I would like to hear more, from more people. Two things: I don't know if we will ever know for sure, I don't know if 'us commoners' need to know exact specifics for security reasons. I also feel like at this point it doesn't matter where it came from, damage done...but what about the next one?
I read a gain of function (GOFR) story maybe a dozen years ago, and even though I understood the importance from a national security standpoint, it made me really worried that governments were creating biological monsters.
I don't agree with "They don't tell us what's going on, they think for our own good." They don't tell us because then our enemies know what we know.
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Damage done ??. But what about at the time. If we roll back posts here and what was said. That is terrible that we will never know. Just listen and soak in how our government failed us because of what? political reasons .
2015 or 2014 I don't get why you don't want to listen to transparency now. WHAT changed?
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Its good to see that you never change, still don't read/comprehend.
Even if we find out the origin does it bring back millions of dead people (that's the damage). Even if we find out the origin does that put us in a better place for the next catastrophe? All governments fail their people on a daily basis for political reasons, but what you're missing is that we don't want them to fail us on national security reasons (they do that enough already probably).
What is "2015 or 2014"? What transparency is there to listen to now or then that moves this conversation forward?
Going forward, we don't need to know the specifics of the origins of this coronavirus. But we do need to know what the current risks are and how they are managed.
And it's not at all obvious that the incentives for those making the most important decisions are well-aligned with the common good.
You are really stuck on 'our' government. Please provide a list of other governments who have announced a definitive origin conclusion.
How will it make your life better to know where this sars came from? China made it. The USA made it. Russia made it. Do any of those make you feel better?
"If we roll back the posts here"? Yes, because the posts here have a massive impact on the world.
They don't want us to know how they are 'managed' probably. I'd contend that the incentives are obvious actually, and its not for the common good.
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No one said anything about a massive impact on the world except for?You are really stuck on 'our' government. Please provide a list of other governments who have announced a definitive origin conclusion.
How will it make your life better to know where this sars came from? China made it. The USA made it. Russia made it. Do any of those make you feel better?
"If we roll back the posts here"? Yes, because the posts here have a massive impact on the world.
The point which I am sure you understand was the flabbergasted perceptions and opinions about even the smallest of notions it might not be natural in the past years of this thread.
The lives lost to covid will pale in comparison to the lives lost due to economic and mental issues that were caused by lock-downs and mandate notions of the people who could afford to stay at home while the real labor continued.
Shameful on anyone who discounted the man made implications and played it off as political. Then ruined peoples lives because they dared to speak out.
Oh, OK, you are referring to other people than me so I guess that we are done.
As usual you have avoided most of the conversation.
You really are a silly person. You're not even good at being fake anymore.
I would like to know the origins of any serious virus as a healthy, older person. Some common sense prevention that comes from that information can save a life. As for the possibility of lab-created for weapon viruses....we have nuclear weapons that aren't used largely because the human and infrastructure damage renders them useless in modern conflicts at the current time. Viruses or other compromises to human health can be a serious economic weapon as well as wreak havoc on societies. It's hard to have confidence in the stability of every nation's decision makers on what is justified. Too many people nowadays want the heads of fellow citizens for having a differing opinion.
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