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16000 medical doctors from all health disciplines have signed a petition in Belgium to reopen schools for all young children (currently, only 6, 7 and 11 year-olds are allowed in schools), without social distancing rules. They say that children are disproportionately affected by the measures, that their parents are also under a lot of stress, and that the spread of the disease in schools can likely be limited if fairly simple measures are upheld (like opening windows in classes, tracing&isolating positive cases, etc.).
What is the current practice in Belgium for things like children's sports and camps? Today, Florida opened up all summer camps and athletics for children.
 
Training for outdoor sports like football (soccer) is allowed again from this week, but only with everybody handling only their own ball (the goalkeepers have gloves), no practice matches because then there is physical contact, and no parents can be present. Summer camps will be decided in the coming days. I'm guessing that anything with indoor sleeping and cooking will not be allowed, but the scouts camps (tents & only outdoor activities) may get the go-ahead.
 
KU Leuven (Belgium) has designed 7 possible vaccines against corona, around the vaccine against yellow fever. They have been working on this for the past months and have tested these vaccines for the first time today on gerbils. Gerbils are more susceptible to corona than mice, and also infect each other. Two of the vaccines have shown tremendous potential (the rest of them showing "some" effect). The reason for starting from the 80 year old vaccine against yellow fever, is that this vaccine is very safe, has proven to be extremely effective for almost a century, and only needs one shot... for life. They put part of the genetic code of the corona virus into the yellow fever vaccine. There are currently about a 100 vaccines being developed worldwide. Usually, by the time vaccines are tested on humans, only 10% of vaccines are left, that actually prove effective.
 
One of the German states, Thuringia, has now announced that they plan to abandon all general Corona restrictions on June 6th. No more distancing, no more masks - unless the numbers go up again (to 35 new infections per week, per 100.000 inhabitants)

 
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That is one reason I would've liked to have seen science journalists get to attend briefings with the task force instead of Jim Acosta and Co. The briefings were about 1% as effective as they could've been at providing usable information.

This pretty much ends the chloroquine story. Not only was it not effective in combination with antibiotics, it was actually detrimental. I guess some people will argue that it was not randomized, or that Zinc was not included, but the arrhythmia data alone should be enough to freeze its use. Which probably means the FDA does nothing.
View: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1263811764287725574
If the results were more successful but the study wasn’t randomized you would be the first to question validity.

Confirmation bias?

“We urgently need a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19. Repurposing existing drugs is an attractive option because these medications have undergone extensive testing, allowing them to move quickly into clinical trials and accelerating their potential approval for COVID-19 treatment,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. “Although there is anecdotal evidence that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may benefit people with COVID-19, we need solid data from a large randomized, controlled clinical trial to determine whether this experimental treatment is safe and can improve clinical outcomes.”

It was true last week and it’s true today. What I find odd is that you seem to celebrate a potential therapy being ineffective. Why is that?
 
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What is the current practice in Belgium for things like children's sports and camps? Today, Florida opened up all summer camps and athletics for children.
Alabama is also opening up summer camps and athletics as well as theaters, zoos, water parks & casinos:

 
The UK's response during this pandemic has been quite mind-boggling. They allowed tens of thousands of travelers into the country without any quarantine in March and April, and now that all other EU countries are scaling down measures and opening up to tourists again, the UK is installing this 2-week isolation measure.

It doesn't make much sense to do this now, as I think all EU countries (which would make up the bulk of travelers) are in a better covid-shape than the UK. If anything, the rest of the EU should still bar/restrict British (or especially, English) tourists.
 
It was true last week and it’s true today. What I find odd is that you seem to celebrate a potential therapy being ineffective. Why is that?
The thing is that it is not safe based on this study. And the randomized trial has shown no efficacy for chloroquine. This changes the calculus. You can't give this drug to people with COVID based on the arrhythmias. Drugs get pulled for side effects that were not evident in small clinical trials. It is DOA at the FDA no matter what happens with the randomized trials.

Yay! A drug that works.
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Yay! Another one.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1264199103270973440
 
Vaccine overview

I still think it's possible we'll get some sort of vaccine that will last a certain amount of time. However, I am sure we'll get more treatments that are better than Remdesivir simply becaues that one does help and they have a starting place to get more to work.
 
Vaccine overview

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I keep thinking several things that this article touches on:

  1. Several (many) virus have not gone away? Hoping for C19 to go away doesn't seem wise.
  2. The race to be the first scares me. IMO, even if it takes more time, the focus should be getting it right, not getting 'something' first.
  3. Even if one (or several) of these companies does get it right by January, it will still take six months (?) to get solid coverage. January might not be possible, but for the sake of best case scenario argument, we won't have solid coverage until summer 2021?
  4. I am concerned that a lot of USAers can't handle #3. Certainly a majority are still being cautious, but we're only three months in, how will it be at 12 months. How many people who are unwilling to wear a mask does it take to keep the spread at high levels?
 
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C19 hoax: I an effort to avoid discussion into off limits areas I'm going to be vague. I don't even want to get into those areas, I'm wondering aloud (via type) about the psyche involved.

USA, one faction pointing to another and claiming that they made up the C19 hoax. OK, if that is the case: What are all of the dead bodies from? Why did most of the world 'close down'? Why did (most of) your own faction go along? How did they convince all of the world leaders to go along? How did they convince all of the health professionals?

Sure, there is room for discussion about how to 'handle' life now, but is there really any sane discussion of this situation not being real?
 
Dirt..don't go there..our nurses ,doctors and emergency workers have seen the pain and death. The families are living with it..to kick around silliness about a hoax is not productive..our military personnel that have stepped in to fill the void were needed were not faking it.
Happy Memorial day to all Americans and for others world wide who were impacted by those memorialized.
 
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Easier to swallow hopeful lies than hard truths.

People are suspicious of Bill Gates putting nanobots into vaccines. There is no reaching people who are that far gone.
There was at least some info suggesting Hydroxychloroquine had positive outcomes with C19 patients. Once a certain person championed it... instead of hoping it worked, many (You) actively rooting for it to fail. Why do you suppose this is?

When you speak of people “that far gone”... who actively hopes a potential therapy for something like C19 doesn’t work because somebody you don’t like hopes it does?

Remind us, who is “that far gone?”
 
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Easier to swallow hopeful lies than hard truths.

People are suspicious of Bill Gates putting nanobots into vaccines. There is no reaching people who are that far gone.
I've got an old school friend who keeps moving farther out from civilization. His religious and political views have drastically become conservative.
In a friendly call he is convinced it is caused by 5G communications and referred to it as the "kill switch". I'm sure if the dialogue continued we find that the Chinese, Huawei, Soros and Gates all stand to gain.
 
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