Coronavirus: How dangerous a threat?

[jmdirt]

Just to be forewarned. People should expect to see a bigger response to the booster shot when you re-activate the memory cells from the first dose. I hesitate to call it an adverse response because it is the correct immune cells becoming activated. The process might feel like you are a little sick. I am really worried about how these effects get reported and circulated on such bastions of reason as...facebook/ twitter/ youtube. Alex Berenson's is pinning a tweet that 11 people have been killed by the vaccine. But, don't you dare call him an anti-vaxxer. He is just 'asking questions about vaccine safety'. Smooth sailing from here no doubt....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1347291889612038150

View: https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1347291889612038150



The national plan is to leave it up to the states. Each state devises its own tiering and allocation. They can prioritize anybody they want. They can micromanage it or be laissez faire.

The latest announcement from our Gov is that Maryland will be getting ~10,000 doses a day from the Feds 'for the foreseeable future'. They also announced that 11,000 were vaccinated yesterday, leaving an administration rate around 30%. Not a whole lot more that we can do about the burn rate without more vaccine. The total population for the state is about 6m. At 5k people fully vaccinated a day.... the math does not look great. Eating into the slack will help a bit on the margins, but like arguing over tiers, you're not targeting the root of the problem, which is vaccine availability.
Why do you always assume that we are terrified? Caution does not equate to terror. Am I terrified of biking if I wear a helmet? Nor do I demand a 100% protection guarantee. I do expect people in charge to implement common sense mitigation strategies that align with scientific consensus.

The key bit about Gottlieb is that he is assuming that only 90-100m get vaccinated. With that level, next winter probably will be that bad for the unvaccinated.

Good point about the wording of how peoples' bodies respond to vaccination. My two nieces and my friend have not had anything unexpected happen.

 

[Unchained]

Chris this is how real life works, it's unfortunate,uncomfortable but it's reality. The same reasoning for not giving raw frozen turkeys to the homeless as a form of aid,a kind act of caring and compassion..they don't have anywhere to store it or cook it so it's a waste of everyone's time and money.
You are constantly dancing on the cliff of reality. Trump came up with the 20million,and it was Trump that established the time line for vaccination program goals..nobody else..he set the goal and he failed. Full stop.

The reason that Trump has not succeeded in my opinion looks pretty obvious, pick a subject..I don't know anything, health care,Foxcon, coal jobs,Harley Davidson,Mexico wall payments, Carrier jobs, trade war..Tiktok, the list is f-cking endless..it's called lack of follow up. Now that list includes vaccines..he made bold predictions and like everything else it's got as much value as a Trump University diploma..worthless..rather than you and I troll toss back and forth..because you can change my mind,but I can't change yours..sit down kick off your Crocs, the elastic waist band on your cargo shorts can accommodate a few drinks made w Trump vodka and dig in on a thick Trump steak, maybe read over a pamphlet for a lovely vacation to a Trump resort or one of his fabulous casinos.
And if you really want to get dirty into recent pandemic punch bowl look at Donnie's remarks on courage..to him courage is following his demands rather than reality and the law..
So do I think Florida should stray from a flimsy plan for vaccination protocols? Do I think adding water to something that is already so watered down will make it better,faster, more effective..I really don't know or need to answer. Florida or NY are Trump's home state depending on mood and legal jeopardy..if you see old people,sick old people sleeping in their cars,camped out on the streets, they need help..does Trump think that the multiple miles long lines are for the Kid Rock - Ted Nugent music festival?
The guy is hopefully just asleep at the switch..
If Trump worked for me..I would fire him for cause. Get him a urinalysis..contact his family about an intervention..or at a minimum monitor what he is taking to guard against overdose..
Chris have you been checking the daily death numbers? This entire thing is a mess..vaccines made in America,being exported and being administered more effectively..we are top podium step for deaths,infections and just being generall y f-cked up..he had a rally the U.S. Capitol got trashed,vandalized complete with dead bodies and that was part of a cogent Covid strategy?
The stuff w seeds is not as strong..Trump is like Spicoli as President

 

[jmdirt]

The last I saw, Idaho was ranked around 40 in vaccine in arms/population. 1) Budget, 2) Logistics, 3) Staff. There isn't much extra money floating around to fund vaccination (there is some state 'surplus' that politicians are looking at freeing up?). There are only a few people in the entire state who have any idea about the logistics of something like this. There are very few "extra" staff to go put needles in peoples' arms. Also, while Idaho doesn't have a huge population (1.8 Mil), more than half of it is spread over a large area (85,000 sq/miles).

 

[Unchained]

You gotta ask yourself..how is holding a rally about a settled election,getting people killed and having taxpayers property destroyed..how is that working towards anything public safety for the pandemic? How is holding a rally helping desperate old people get vaccinated?

 

[Koronin]

As I am in drug stores on a monthly basis for work (vendor) I've gotten to know many of the employees over the years. Where I live it appears that once the vaccines can go out to a larger portion of the population CVS and WalGreens will be receiving the Moderna vaccine. From what they understand the pharmacists will be trained for the specifics and then be able to administer that one.
One other note, there is an article in the Washington Post about some people who have had Covid still have good antibodies for immunity to it 8 months after they had it. Unfortunately paywall issues, so hoping to find something about this elsewhere.

 

[movingtarget]

You gotta ask yourself..how is holding a rally about a settled election,getting people killed and having taxpayers property destroyed..how is that working towards anything public safety for the pandemic? How is holding a rally helping desperate old people get vaccinated?

I think Trump has been watching too much footage from pre World War II Germany. He seems to like rallies more than anything as well as golf and Twitter. At least he has remained true to form and the lunacy won't end for a few more weeks. Covid seems low on his to do list...............

 

[BroDeal]

You gotta ask yourself..how is holding a rally about a settled election,getting people killed and having taxpayers property destroyed..how is that working towards anything public safety for the pandemic? How is holding a rally helping desperate old people get vaccinated?

It probably works about as well as social distancing by holding mass gatherings to burn down the local Pizza Hut, rob a Footlocker, and destroy innocent people's cars.

It seems like Cuomo is not satisfied with the number of elderly he killed in old folks homes and sees this as his chance to grant the Grim Reaper another chance. Or maybe when democracies encounter a new situation the best you can hope for is leaders to fumble their way through it, and that is okay if you are not naive enough to expect much from people elected in a popularity contest.

 

[Merckx index]

It seems like Cuomo is not satisfied with the number of elderly he killed in old folks homes

Totally false, as was thoroughly discussed earlier on this thread. Of all the pandemic myths that have circulated in the press, this is the one probably most widely accepted by liberals as well as conservatives, while also, ironically, one of the most easily rebutted by science.

Another grim milestone today, > 300,000 cases. I didn't think it was going to get this bad. That could mean as many 5000 deaths in a day in a few weeks.

First we had one in a thousand people dead. Now we have one in a thousand people positive in a single day, and that is considerably less than the actual number of infected. Maybe as many as 1.5 million, which means that at any one time, there are about ten million people in the country who are infectious. About one in thirty. Think about that, next time you're out in public. Most of those people aren't hospitalized, which is good news, but a corollary is that most of them are walking around, ready to spread the virus to someone else.

Speaking of which, that guy who broke into Pelosi's office, and was photographed while sitting at her desk, has predictably become one of the first to be arrested. What I find interesting, and relevant to this thread, is that he was arrested in Arkansas, about 1000 miles from D.C., where he apparently resides, on Friday morning. He was in the Capitol at least until Wednesday evening. He might have driven all day Thursday to get back home--i know it's possible, because I myself have driven 1000 miles in a day--but it's much more likely he, and certainly many of the protesters, flew to and from D.C. So in addition to breaking into the Capitol, they spread the virus at a time when it's surging at record levels, at a time when all health officials were urging people not to travel.

Chris has pointed out that BLM protesters were ignoring pandemic advice, and I have agreed with him on that. But at least most of them wore masks, and most of them were locals, who didn't have to fly to take part in the marches. Most of these yahoos didn't wear masks-- that's evident from the pictures--so it was an ideal spreading event, then they take the virus with them to all parts of the country.

Fact of the matter is this: proponents of the lab leak theory depend on the idea of the coronavirus leaping from animals to humans as being improbable – which it’s not. In 2018, the same Shi Zhengli published a paper that reported the results of a serological study conducted of 218 residents in four villages in Yunnan. These villages were located near caves where Shi and her colleagues had sampled bat coronaviruses closely related to SARS-CoV-1. They discovered that six people, or about 2.7 percent of the sample, had antibodies for these coronaviruses, which suggests they had previously been infected.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12250-018-0012-7
Bat coronaviruses are massively under-sampled. We know about a handful of them, but there are thousands more we haven’t even discovered yet. It is perfectly possible that there are bats that carry an even closer relative of SARS-CoV-2, it’s just that scientists have not stumbled upon them yet. Much more likely that the coronavirus is the result of naturally occurring zoonotic species jump, or that the virus has evolved in humans over time without being noticed and gradually becoming more infectious (which can explain why numerous countries are now finding evidence of COVID-19 existing in numerous frozen serum samples, sewage, etc much earlier than previously thought).

I agree with much of this, and in fact, we discussed much of it upthread, where I pointed out that we missed a great opportunity possibly to find the more immediate precursor of SARS=CoV-2 when a project to sequence more of these viruses was shelved. It's very likely that the virus jumped from some species to humans.

That said, the evidence that the virus was around much longer than just from Nov. 2019 or so is not very good, and a question yet unanswered is how the outbreak started in Wuhan, which is about 1300 km from Yunnan, where most of the horseshoe bats are found. If someone was infected by a bat--or more likely, some other species that became infected by the bat--one would have expected cases to appear first far from Wuhan. I understand there is a main train station in the city that's not far from the market, so maybe someone infected from the province happened to get off there. It's also possible, as you mention, that a less infectious and sickening form of the virus first infected humans, and evolved to SARS-CoV-2 when it reached a high density population center like Wuhan. But it's questions like this that fuel the discussion of an alternative explanation.

By the way, Matt Pottinger, Deputy National Security Advisor who was one of the first Administration officials to resign following the storming of the Capitol, has been pushing the lab accident theory among the U.S. intelligence community.

The WIV is a joint collaboration between China and France, and has been certified by officials in both countries, as well as by the International Organization for Standardization. The French government, which has the most knowledge of and experience with the WIV, has stated there is "no factual evidence corroborating the information recently circulating in the United States press that establishes a link between the origins of Covid-19 and the work of the P4 laboratory of Wuhan, China."

Well, sure, but there is no factual evidence that establishes a link between C19 and any particular animal species, either. The bat virus RaTG13 has very high overall homology to SARS-CoV-2, suggesting it could have evolved further, either in bats or in another species, but just as there is nothing but speculation that RaTG13 could have been modified in a laboratory, there is also nothing but speculation that it evolved further in the wild. As I said before, unless we find a naturally-occurring species with SARS-COV-2, or a sequence closer to that than RaTG13, we have no way of knowing.

Chinese scientists were lucky with the first SARS virus, in that there was direct evidence leading them to civets. No such break exists for SARS-CoV-2.

 

[Koronin]

This is about the possibility that the Moderna vaccine could be effective for several years.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderna-vaccine-may-protect-several-173225784.html

 

[Oldermanish]

It probably works about as well as social distancing by holding mass gatherings to burn down the local Pizza Hut, rob a Footlocker, and destroy innocent people's cars.

It seems like Cuomo is not satisfied with the number of elderly he killed in old folks homes and sees this as his chance to grant the Grim Reaper another chance. Or maybe when democracies encounter a new situation the best you can hope for is leaders to fumble their way through it, and that is okay if you are not naive enough to expect much from people elected in a popularity contest.

Did you cobble together the same Fox News footage they've been running for twelve months to come to that Grand Equivalency? Cuomo didn't kill anyone anymore than the outbreaks in retirement homes in every fu*king state. My Mother in-law just had to quarantine two weeks ago because the resident hair-stylist tested positive. They all came clear and got vaccinated and hopefully will live long enough to continue to regret her daughter's marriage to me.
Your point about politicians negotiating the logistics of a pandemic relief are spot on but, to be fair; someone else declared they had the solution, the plan and the money. They didn't and now each State is muddling through it. Don't you think it's time to quit blaming your local neighbors and help? The guy you vested your faith in completely sold you Snake oil and will lie until he's sacrificed each of his kids to the IRS and other legal entities wondering where his "billions" went. He gives less than one SH*t about any of us, including his blood relatives so the narrative should be about what happens next. Recrimination time is over. Shots in Arms as Chris says.

 

[movingtarget]

California struggles under a staggering 2.5m coronavirus cases

Hospitals are overwhelmed with 22,000 patients as officials warn hospitalizations could reach 30,000 by February

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chris Gadsden]

Your turn to be fair. The States that are muddling through it is because of sheer stupidity from ‘leadership.’

someone else declared they had the solution, the plan and the money. They didn't and now each State is muddling through it

Governor Andrew Cuomo, bowing to pressure from local governments, is agreeing to expand the state’s vaccination sites for front line health care workers.

Cuomo initially permitted only hospitals to give out vaccines. But many hospitals were unprepared, and the rate of vaccination has been low, with only about half of the doses used nearly four weeks after the first orders arrived. The City of New York and counties pushed to be included in the distribution system, saying they have experience in vaccination programs and have been preparing for a pandemic for years.

Cuomo now says pharmacies, private doctors’ offices and county health departments will be given vaccine doses, as they become available. He says for now, only those in the group known as 1-A group, essential health care workers, will have access.

Despite calls to expand the vaccine now to others including police, Cuomo says he is sticking to the state’s prioritization list for now, likening it to instructions on airplanes that recommend a parent put on an oxygen mask before helping their child.

“Because you are no good to your child if you’re dead,” Cuomo said. “To be blunt.”

https://www.waer.org/post/after-slow-roll-out-nys-agrees-offer-covid-19-vaccine-more-sites

It is truly had to imagine being as stupid as Gov Cuomo. Unless your name is Gavin Newsom.

Some experts have raised concerns that states are sticking too tightly to the CDC’s guidelinesTrusted Sourcefor who should be prioritized to receive the vaccines, and leaving vaccine doses unused.

While vaccinating those at greatest risk from COVID-19 is essential, some locations don’t have enough demand in those high-priority groups to use all the doses they’ve been allocated.

Nancy Messonnier, who heads the CDC’s immunization center, urged distribution sites in a live-streamed interview Jan. 5 to move quickly to the next priority group if the demand isn’t there among those first in line.

“I really hope that articulating these phases … isn’t leading to unnecessary barriers,” she said. “Don’t leave vaccine in the fridge. Don’t leave vaccine in the vial.”

This is not brilliance, it’s common sense. Something Idiot governors on the coasts have little to none of.

 

[Jagartrott]

The head of the Belgian medicine body has said today they now expect the Janssen (J&J) vaccine to become available already late February, which is earlier than previously thought. I looked for other news stories, and found something from Kentucky that says the same for the US. Efficacy data are expected very soon, and the request to authorize the vaccine would be submitted at the end of January.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Your turn to be fair. The States that are muddling through it is because of sheer stupidity from ‘leadership.’




Governor Andrew Cuomo, bowing to pressure from local governments, is agreeing to expand the state’s vaccination sites for front line health care workers.

Cuomo initially permitted only hospitals to give out vaccines. But many hospitals were unprepared, and the rate of vaccination has been low, with only about half of the doses used nearly four weeks after the first orders arrived. The City of New York and counties pushed to be included in the distribution system, saying they have experience in vaccination programs and have been preparing for a pandemic for years.

Cuomo now says pharmacies, private doctors’ offices and county health departments will be given vaccine doses, as they become available. He says for now, only those in the group known as 1-A group, essential health care workers, will have access.

Despite calls to expand the vaccine now to others including police, Cuomo says he is sticking to the state’s prioritization list for now, likening it to instructions on airplanes that recommend a parent put on an oxygen mask before helping their child.

“Because you are no good to your child if you’re dead,” Cuomo said. “To be blunt.”

https://www.waer.org/post/after-slow-roll-out-nys-agrees-offer-covid-19-vaccine-more-sites

It is truly had to imagine being as stupid as Gov Cuomo. Unless your name is Gavin Newsom.

Some experts have raised concerns that states are sticking too tightly to the CDC’s guidelinesTrusted Sourcefor who should be prioritized to receive the vaccines, and leaving vaccine doses unused.

While vaccinating those at greatest risk from COVID-19 is essential, some locations don’t have enough demand in those high-priority groups to use all the doses they’ve been allocated.

Nancy Messonnier, who heads the CDC’s immunization center, urged distribution sites in a live-streamed interview Jan. 5 to move quickly to the next priority group if the demand isn’t there among those first in line.

“I really hope that articulating these phases … isn’t leading to unnecessary barriers,” she said. “Don’t leave vaccine in the fridge. Don’t leave vaccine in the vial.”

This is not brilliance, it’s common sense. Something Idiot governors on the coasts have little to none of.

Ny is doing better than Florida who are allowing all senior citizens in the top tier. That shows that prioritization is not the biggest issue. MD is only getting 10k doses a day. We need more vaccine. Period.

 

[Nomad]

Why do you always assume that we are terrified? Caution does not equate to terror. Am I terrified of biking if I wear a helmet? Nor do I demand a 100% protection guarantee. I do expect people in charge to implement common sense mitigation strategies that align with scientific consensus.

Because the majority of Americans are scared of contracting Covid-19:

Infographic: Majority of Americans are Scared of Contracting Covid-19

This chart shows the share of U.S. adults that say they are scared to some degree of contracting Covid-19.

www.google.com

A large component of this could be the fearmongering strategy by the MSM for viewer ratings ($$$). Another aspect could be people are not aware that the mortality rate for those under 40 is about the same as the flu. The majority of deaths are people over 70 with serious health conditions, and the obese have a high mortality rate. Furthermore, the most recent statistic I heard was about 40% of all deaths are related to nursing homes/long-term care facilities.

I hope the vaccines are efficacious for those that want them and these people can feel protected having less anxiety in their lives.

 

[Nomad]

Weiterleitungshinweis

"If there's not a match or there's sufficient deviation, then the manufacturers will have to go back to work and create yet another vaccine, hopefully, one that will cover both strains," said Schaffner."

 

[jmdirt]

I got an email from the 'big boss' (haven't actually seen him in over a year) stating that we can expect to get vaccinated "sometime in February." I didn't think that it would be that soon, and unless the company negotiated something with the state, I'm not sure if we will actually have anything to put in our arms "sometime in February". We do have an RN and several PAs employed by the company so that would be a nice negotiating chip I suppose.

Also of note was the wording that "we can expect to get vaccinated sometime in February". I wonder if they are going to require it? Strongly encourage it? I'm in, the people I work with on a daily basis are in, and our traveling people are in (as far as I've heard).

 

[Chris Gadsden]

Ny is doing better than Florida who are allowing all senior citizens in the top tier. That shows that prioritization is not the biggest issue. MD is only getting 10k doses a day. We need more vaccine. Period.

Ya, we sure wouldn’t want to vacc the most vulnerable.

And what to do with those front-line workers who refuse the vaccination? Put it in the fridge and wait until they are ready? That is what Cuomo is doing. Screw everybody else.

Maybe the good Governor should fine them like he’s doing the hospitals. Complete fool that one.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s press secretary, Bill Neidhardt, slammed Cuomo’s statement about vaccine distribution in a tweet Thursday.

“The Governor’s office released a long statement as to why they won’t give cities and counties the freedom to vaccinate first responders and the elderly,” Neidhardt wrote.

A line-by-line response in bold below. But it all boils down to this: There is no excuse to slow down the vaccination effort.”

The Governor’s office released a long statement as to why they won’t give cities and counties the freedom to vaccinate first responders and the elderly.
A line-by-line response in bold below. But it all boils down to this: There is no excuse to slow down the vaccination effort. pic.twitter.com/ysPwEh2Njh
— Bill Neidhardt (@BNeidhardt) January 7, 2021

pic.twitter.com/ysPwEh2Njh

 

[Keram]

Slovakia started to search new british strain and found it at three separate places (Bratislava, Nitra, Michalovce) already . It is possible it is common here already. I would say it is more spread in EU (and world) than we think.

 

[BroDeal]

Did you cobble together the same Fox News footage they've been running for twelve months to come to that Grand Equivalency? Cuomo didn't kill anyone anymore than the outbreaks in retirement homes in every fu*king state. My Mother in-law just had to quarantine two weeks ago because the resident hair-stylist tested positive. They all came clear and got vaccinated and hopefully will live long enough to continue to regret her daughter's marriage to me.
Your point about politicians negotiating the logistics of a pandemic relief are spot on but, to be fair; someone else declared they had the solution, the plan and the money. They didn't and now each State is muddling through it. Don't you think it's time to quit blaming your local neighbors and help? The guy you vested your faith in completely sold you Snake oil and will lie until he's sacrificed each of his kids to the IRS and other legal entities wondering where his "billions" went. He gives less than one SH*t about any of us, including his blood relatives so the narrative should be about what happens next. Recrimination time is over. Shots in Arms as Chris says.

Maybe if you stopped tonguing Rachel Maddow's ass and refrained from watching CNN 24/7 then you would have a more objective view of the world that would allow you to stop blaming everything on politicians you dislike. As much as you critical theorists would love a supreme leader who could click his jack boots together and have his followers goose step to his words, power in the U.S. is split between federal, state, and local. That is a good. Different locales can try different policies. They can tailor the policies to what they expect will work best for their area. Some locale's will do better than others. Some will do worse. But the whole nation will not be subject to a catastrophic wrong decision. It reduces the risk of ruin. The overall outcome will not be as good as a country under a single policy that gets the policy right, but it won't be as bad as a country with a single policy that gets the policy wrong. A middle of the road, porridge is neither too hot nor too cold, muddle your way through it approach to handling problems has generally gotten the job done, eventually, over the last two hundred plus years. The end result has not been too bad.

And BTW, despite your typical leftist assumption that anyone who is not part of your groupthink must be in league with whoever you have designated as the Satan du jour, I did not vote for Trump. I am just sick and tired of whingers like you and unhinged--I mean unchained--turning all social media into a toxic sewer because you cannot get over losing an election. It is not just annoying, even more aggravating, it is boring, which is a capital crime for the continuance of any discussion .

 

[djpbaltimore]

Ya, we sure wouldn’t want to vacc the most vulnerable.

And what to do with those front-line workers who refuse the vaccination? Put it in the fridge and wait until they are ready? That is what Cuomo is doing. Screw everybody else.

Maybe the good Governor should fine them like he’s doing the hospitals. Complete fool that one.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s press secretary, Bill Neidhardt, slammed Cuomo’s statement about vaccine distribution in a tweet Thursday.

“The Governor’s office released a long statement as to why they won’t give cities and counties the freedom to vaccinate first responders and the elderly,” Neidhardt wrote.

A line-by-line response in bold below. But it all boils down to this: There is no e

Most frontline medical workers are more vulnerable because their risk of contracting the virus is so much higher than a retiree. The people who need it most are in nursing homes and they won't likely be queuing up for vaccines in Florida. You should just relax. People want to jump the line, but there is just not enough vaccine to expand the pool without causing chaos.

But the whole nation will not be subject to a catastrophic wrong decision.

Yeah, we wouldn't want that to happen.

 

[Oldermanish]

Maybe if you stopped tonguing Rachel Maddow's ass and refrained from watching CNN 24/7 then you would have a more objective view of the world that would allow you to stop blaming everything on politicians you dislike. As much as you critical theorists would love a supreme leader who could click his jack boots together and have his followers goose step to his words, power in the U.S. is split between federal, state, and local. That is a good. Different locales can try different policies. They can tailor the policies to what they expect will work best for their area. Some locale's will do better than others. Some will do worse. But the whole nation will not be subject to a catastrophic wrong decision. It reduces the risk of ruin. The overall outcome will not be as good as a country under a single policy that gets the policy right, but it won't be as bad as a country with a single policy that gets the policy wrong. A middle of the road, porridge is neither too hot nor too cold, muddle your way through it approach to handling problems has generally gotten the job done, eventually, over the last two hundred plus years. The end result has not been too bad.

And BTW, despite your typical leftist assumption that anyone who is not part of your groupthink must be in league with whoever you have designated as the Satan du jour, I did not vote for Trump. I am just sick and tired of whingers like you and unhinged--I mean unchained--turning all social media into a toxic sewer because you cannot get over losing an election. It is not just annoying, even more aggravating, it is boring, which is a capital crime for the continuance of any discussion .

Bro, you couldn't be more wrong. I spend more time watching Fox than CNN and don't watch Rachel at all. My view is objective based on the messaging from the one person most vested in it's politicization and what actually is happening. That states have authority to prioritize distribution once they get it is more efficient under the current circumstance. There is little National level support . I'm in favor of innoculating the caregivers as they should be in the direct line of vaccinating the populace. Shots in Arms.
As for the Social Media...I'm not on any platform except you and me talking now. They are pure echo chambers and that's my concern with cut and pasting by Chris.
Bro: Now that the recent elections Nationally and in Georgia have passed; please heed your own advice and come up with suggestions instead of equivocations.

Note; A family relative is part of the medical community management in Detroit and Lansing on the hospital level. They are getting little to no vaccines and almost no communication from the Federal level. He is non-partisan but his research to others suggest some states are definitely being slow-played based on their political voting. That's the 30,000' view and seeing Florida suggests they only have a vaccination organization issue. The Governor there seems to have passed it down stream but the ample supply is there.

 

[Chris Gadsden]

You should just relax. People want to jump the line, but there is just not enough vaccine to expand the pool without causing chaos.

A couple of years from now when in hindsight it’s noted that tens of thousands died needlessly from C-19 because of the stupidity of big State Governors I guess we‘ll be able to chalk it up as another learning experience.

 

[Unchained]

A couple of years from now when in hindsight it’s noted that tens of thousands died needlessly from C-19 because of the stupidity of big State Governors I guess we‘ll be able to chalk it up as another learning experience.

who could possibly disagree with that..of course,,,for certain we will know more months and years from now..that's a point or a criticism? Sounds like something a person who has never..owned a car, had a job or relationship..never lived. Being wrong at the time ,making decisions w the cards in your hand is not crazy, it's all you can do.

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The piece about no plan..looks to be repeated all over the country..is Biden already in charge? Who is in charge..? That's a legit question.

375,000+ dead and steaming towards 400,000+ before the Skipper and Gilligan, stop working at the White House..

 

[Unchained]

So Chris I am gathering that you can't bring yourself to watch old videos of Trump talking about all he knows about Covid-19..you should try..nothing specific,it's a constant laugh reel..you can even go deep rewind when he really expounded on vaccines during the Presidential debates..the videos will double,triple,quadruple confirm that he didn't know what the f-ck he was talking about then..ain't nothin' changed..
vaccine not voting rallies..at least have the guy finish strong and put in 1 week of work!! Just kidding..we know that is not going to happen.
if you want we can do a minimum configuration type of thing..rather than you keep claiming I am piling on..can you just link what Trump or his task force did today on Covid..anything..golf doesn't count