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That was because cookster was being dishonest. No point in revisiting that though.

What is covid enthusiasm? Posting facts/data? Notice that in my most recent post I posted from the CDC, but added my own statement: "I hope that this isn't another deadly one! " I guess you must not be referring to that, right?

Your narrative that anyone who hasn't stuck their head in the sand with you is 'enthusiastic for covid' is ridiculous.

Why do you think that you are so much more knowledgeable than the entire scientific community? That's who you are really pointing you silliness at.
Cookster was not they were expressing data and data that some disagreed with along with opinions that was disagreed with. Should I call you a liar for your constant posting of info that I find questionable? Including CDC?

We disagree and I can go back and find posts where you were in support of lock downs. Its a sad reality. I have an opinion that some want covid reactions to continue and that explains my statement. Try not to be bothered with it.

Notice the hospitalizations have not changed?
 
Hopefully this is not too far off...
in the US,just under @33,000 currently hospitalized for Covid, data and treatment curves have dramatic reduction in deaths. So it would appear that the strategy is working ok..current numbers, achieved immunity through a scientific and natural mix..constant research..non stop science..has things at a workable level.
And I think the American federal government..learned a valuable life or death lesson, instead of defunding ,dispanding the pandemic preparedness agency,they have reestablished the agency and will obviously be ready,more prepared in the future..
All of us are now aware..I personally wasn't thinking about a pandemic, I was aware of MRSA..Ebola,ect..but now everyone is at a minimum,mindful of the possibility..as a vet,getting unknown injections for anything and everything..because they said so..and as a simple American..I thought( wrongly) that measles,mumps,Rubella,Polio,TB,Monkey Pox,Ebola were outside my sphere..seeing facts and the public reaction,I think everything is possible....
So being aware of Covid, made me revisit dangers of things I thought were history,over with,done..
 
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I think an issue is that a lot of the healthy demo are actually not very healthy. And many would benefit from a top up of their antibodies. There is still some crossreaction between strains, but Bivalent vaccines with an omicron strain are on the way. But it is an open question whether it will be widely available by the N hemisphere fall.
What do you think of this? Realistic possibility?

 

Actually at the beginning of the pandemic before the introduction of hotel quarantine, overseas arrivals quarantined at home - This latest proposal or the reinventing of the wheel is a way to get around hotel quarantine - I can say there has been a myriad of wild and wacky suggestions suggested by authorities which have not come to fruition - In the last twelve months the authorities have demonstrated they have no idea how to handle COVID.
 
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Glad you are still keeping the count going. Seems the major media in the USA no longer have the death counter going------------------------- wondering why.

Posting up a death count gives the wrong impression for me.
That's bazaar because you and cookster insisted that we should no longer look at cases and hospitalization, and only look at death to determine severity. Now you say that 'death count gives the wrong impression' and cookster likes it. Shift much?

What's the wrong impression? The number of people who die is the best indication of (hindsight) severity. Let's jump back to BC: Typical flu years have death counts in the 30K, but in the 2017-18 flu year 60K died. That indicated that that was a very severe year (USA).
 
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Glad you are still keeping the count going. Seems the major media in the USA no longer have the death counter going------------------------- wondering why.

Posting up a death count gives the wrong impression for me.
I don't post because I am attempting to be a journalist. There are a few here who are US military veterans, so that data set says, or doesn't have to say, we were given dozens of vaccines as a mandatory part of service. Entering the primary and secondary school system in Arizona,at my time of attendance,required a series of vaccines no if ands or buts,get or can't enter. So just guessing on what both environments would have looked like w current template superimposed..destroyers, aircraft carrier,huge bases w a volatile,deadly mix of unvaccinated..school systems w 10's of thousands entering and mixing, sounds like a kiddy catastrophe in the making..
so there are numbers,I don't remember any shipmates contracting anything that killed them..same in my educational experience...remember some lice,pink eye but nobody got polio..
So to me,that's a number,a low number..the massive number of over a million is a straightforward representation of what Covid did when we did something different..
And currently, if you travel to certain parts of the world, there are a series of vaccines that are needed by anyone who is thinking, and for decades,there was little to no argument about why they were needed..
So the overall question..what changed in the American mind,that caused a sudden,deadly,dramatic shift in vaccine acceptance?
I have an opinion
let's try and adopt more of your point of view..it's all no big deal, it's over or near finished..a million dead should be part of life..
Now my point of view..I want to be aware and prepared as Covid variants are emerging and infections rise world wide..I don't think that the coast is clear,mission unaccomplished
 
Since the mods allow your post I find it amazing that you have no idea about real life issues such as gas prices / domestic oil production etc. Also I am interested in your succession comments regarding Texas in a following post. Obviously you like polotics more than covid and its also clear its OK to discuss.
I have no idea about real life issues......? My post had nothing to do about my opinion other than Gov Kristi Noem was supporting dialogue on health issues in a meaningful way until the interviewer asked a more specific question about a landmark health/policy decision. Watch the interview and then you may know something. Gov Noem diverted from the topic and went to the standard policy line about unrelated issues. Unchained was, as I read that post; pessimistic about meaningful and honest dialogue about upcoming health threats. I said "Hopefully not" and referenced a hopeful response on such topics by a Governor that typically doesn't veer off of one side of health policy. That's progress from a politician.
There's no fire here so you don't need to dial 911!
 
Cookster was not they were expressing data and data that some disagreed with along with opinions that was disagreed with. Should I call you a liar for your constant posting of info that I find questionable? Including CDC?

We disagree and I can go back and find posts where you were in support of lock downs. Its a sad reality. I have an opinion that some want covid reactions to continue and that explains my statement. Try not to be bothered with it.

Notice the hospitalizations have not changed?
cookster stated that Omicron was 'not the beast that some here said it would be', but it was the most deadly time for his country (at that point). How is the most deadly time not a beast? When cookster was asked that, they just shifted away from that data to improving trends data.

It had nothin to do with 'disagreeing with data', the data very clearly did not support the statement made.

I was in support of 'lockdowns' in the spring of 2020. The lockdowns here were very light in comparisons to other parts of the country/world so if I lived somewhere else my view might have been different.

You are welcome to call me a liar based on what I post. However, I have no ownership of the scientific links I share so I'm not sure how that makes me a liar. Therein lies an issue though: hundreds of scientist generally agree on something, but if you 'find it questionable', it somehow becomes not valid. You have no standing to question scientific journals. Scientific consensus is an important, if not misunderstood, part of science. The only reason I started using CDC numbers was because you were, and I wanted to compare (close to) apples to apples. I rarely (maybe never) refer to the CDC otherwise. Same with worldometer that was posted here a lot this spring.

I read a least one scientific journal article a day. If I find some or all of it interesting, I share. I don't base my understanding on any one thing. I've been reading about amazing new cancer therapies lately, but really didn't get a basic grasp of it until I read five or so drafts.
 


Thank you. This is good news. It's good news for two reasons. If I remember correctly to enter the US a person must be vaccinated with an FDA approved vaccine. This would be added to that list as well. (I could be wrong on that as it was a few months ago I read that.)
 

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Thank you. This is good news. It's good news for two reasons. If I remember correctly to enter the US a person must be vaccinated with an FDA approved vaccine. This would be added to that list as well. (I could be wrong on that as it was a few months ago I read that.)
If you are a US citizen / green card holder you do not have to show proof of vaccination to enter the USA from a foreign country.
 
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I have no idea about real life issues......? My post had nothing to do about my opinion other than Gov Kristi Noem was supporting dialogue on health issues in a meaningful way until the interviewer asked a more specific question about a landmark health/policy decision. Watch the interview and then you may know something. Gov Noem diverted from the topic and went to the standard policy line about unrelated issues. Unchained was, as I read that post; pessimistic about meaningful and honest dialogue about upcoming health threats. I said "Hopefully not" and referenced a hopeful response on such topics by a Governor that typically doesn't veer off of one side of health policy. That's progress from a politician.
There's no fire here so you don't need to dial 911!
In my opinion her diversion off topic of covid should have been the end of any details shared in a covid thread.
 
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I don't post because I am attempting to be a journalist. There are a few here who are US military veterans, so that data set says, or doesn't have to say, we were given dozens of vaccines as a mandatory part of service. Entering the primary and secondary school system in Arizona,at my time of attendance,required a series of vaccines no if ands or buts,get or can't enter. So just guessing on what both environments would have looked like w current template superimposed..destroyers, aircraft carrier,huge bases w a volatile,deadly mix of unvaccinated..school systems w 10's of thousands entering and mixing, sounds like a kiddy catastrophe in the making..
so there are numbers,I don't remember any shipmates contracting anything that killed them..same in my educational experience...remember some lice,pink eye but nobody got polio..
So to me,that's a number,a low number..the massive number of over a million is a straightforward representation of what Covid did when we did something different..
And currently, if you travel to certain parts of the world, there are a series of vaccines that are needed by anyone who is thinking, and for decades,there was little to no argument about why they were needed..
So the overall question..what changed in the American mind,that caused a sudden,deadly,dramatic shift in vaccine acceptance?
I have an opinion
let's try and adopt more of your point of view..it's all no big deal, it's over or near finished..a million dead should be part of life..
Now my point of view..I want to be aware and prepared as Covid variants are emerging and infections rise world wide..I don't think that the coast is clear,mission unaccomplished
I am a retired military veteran.
In my opinion your posting of a death count is an issue that you don't quite understand and I do not have the time or energy to explain.
 
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That's bazaar because you and cookster insisted that we should no longer look at cases and hospitalization, and only look at death to determine severity. Now you say that 'death count gives the wrong impression' and cookster likes it. Shift much?

What's the wrong impression? The number of people who die is the best indication of (hindsight) severity. Let's jump back to BC: Typical flu years have death counts in the 30K, but in the 2017-18 flu year 60K died. That indicated that that was a very severe year (USA).
Not bizarre I was being sarcastic as to why the media would stop keeping a death counter and also as to what is the enthusiasm to post the death count when its essentially flat with little to no spikes in deaths.

Since we are comparing to the flu. Lets compare to obesity deaths by year?
 
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Not bizarre I was being sarcastic as to why the media would stop keeping a death counter and also as to what is the enthusiasm to post the death count when its essentially flat with little to no spikes in deaths.

Since we are comparing to the flu. Lets compare to obesity deaths by year?
1-Not comparing to flu.
--comparing data utilization to determine severity.
---during a bad flu year its in the news every day.
2-Obesity is not communicable.
--obesity has been an increasing problem for decades.
--obesity does get media attention (look how much more its gotten in the SC2 years)
--there is significant research on obesity.
--for a data comparison though, 300,000 + die from obesity each year (USA).
---at least double that if you count co morbidities.
--People don't die from obesity, they die with obesity. :rolleyes:

The historical death count demonstrates how horrible SC2 has been. It isn't useful to tell us were we stand today, but daily/weekly death counts are a useful indicator of current severity. Obviously, hospitalization numbers also give us another metric of severity.
 

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1-Not comparing to flu.
--comparing data utilization to determine severity.
---during a bad flu year its in the news every day.
2-Obesity is not communicable.
--obesity has been an increasing problem for decades.
--obesity does get media attention (look how much more its gotten in the SC2 years)
--there is significant research on obesity.
--for a data comparison though, 300,000 + die from obesity each year (USA).
---at least double that if you count co morbidities.
--People don't die from obesity, they die with obesity. :rolleyes:

The historical death count demonstrates how horrible SC2 has been. It isn't useful to tell us were we stand today, but daily/weekly death counts are a useful indicator of current severity. Obviously, hospitalization numbers also give us another metric of severity.
Hospitalization numbers are good at this time. I noted that above. Yet now you want to talk about them...... its good news so why talk about it.
 
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Not bizarre I was being sarcastic as to why the media would stop keeping a death counter and also as to what is the enthusiasm to post the death count when its essentially flat with little to no spikes in deaths.

Since we are comparing to the flu. Lets compare to obesity deaths by year?
Let's also compare to the few remaining tobacco smokers, too? How about steriod abusers?
 
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The mantra that "if you read about/post about SC2, you love it" is completely absurd.

Being informed is important, but I also find the research interesting. As I stated yesterday, I have been reading about new cancer treatments. I don't 'love cancer', but I find the science very interesting, and the prospect of turning what was once a death sentence into a normal, healthy life...amazing, wonderful!

Let me restate: I wish that SC2 never made it over to people, but once it did I wish that it wouldn't have done what it has. I HATE it! That doesn't mean that I won't keep reading about it though.