Critérium du Dauphiné 08/12 > 08/16/20

[Big Doopie]

Tom had a mechanical and had to work his way back up on top of being caught behind the crash. Roglic is definitely strongest at the moment, but I was impressed with Tom today. He looks a lot stronger than G and Froome at the moment.

LOL! We posted about the same thing!!

 

[topt]

He's way over the top.

really, cause he said he in not in top form

 

[BlueRoads]

Would be nice if someone could make a list: where have riders been during the "lockdowns", rate their form last year and then this year... (no, I'm not going to do it...)

 

[topt]

Tired of the JV /DQS show already.

JV show just started

 

[topt]

The guy has the weirdest pro legs that I've ever seen in person, they look soft.
Roglic is pulling a Romandie again and I'm willing to bet that he'll pay for it durning the final week of the Tour.

how much ?

 

[Rollthedice]

Froome looks like the Dead Sea Scrolls while Geraint is more like Phantomas.

 

[Escarabajo]

Roglic might have the same issue that he had at the Giro last year. But the big difference this year is his team. That would make a big difference. His team will help him save energy for the third week. He will be in better position.

I have a question, did Roglic train outside during the lockdown?

 

[Big Doopie]

Does anyone really enjoy watching this style of racing? The Tour will be boring with Ineos' and Jumbo's trains just riding till 1km from the finish.

...and that is why i have posted often about the stupid design of thinking only exciting things happen if you litter every GT with ten million mountain top finishes.

the opposite seems to be true.

 

[spalco]

And that of course brings us back to the question; do the riders who could train outdoors during the "lockdown" (which was more locked in some countries than others) have an advantage?

Italians were super-locked down too, weren't they?

 

[JosephK]

Wouldnt say that. There is still a chance that TJV is too strong too soon. I like the way Pinot's form progresses

TJV seems to be coming into form at the right time in this shortened season, but maybe Pinot is just ramping up to join the party?

 

[Big Doopie]

Froome looks like the Dead Sea Scrolls while Geraint is more like Phantomas.

not a fan, but i give froome credit.

he is battling back from a potentially career (life?) - ending injury. he never asks anyone to be sorry for him. he just battles as best he can and then continues to stay positive.

it must be very hard to see riders you used to drop easily passing you by.

he is a real fighter. and i think credit for that should be given.

 

[umpororachimo]

Roglic might have the same issue that he had at the Giro last year. But the big difference this year is his team. That would make a big difference. His team will help him save energy for the third week. He will be in better position.

I have a question, did Roglic train outside during the lockdown?

Yes, he did, the roads were open to cyclists in Slovenia, and the first race of any significance post-lockdown was the Slovenian nationals where he beat Pawg-AKA, Flatbread-čar.

 

[sir fly]

Roglic might have the same issue that he had at the Giro last year. But the big difference this year is his team. That would make a big difference. His team will help him save energy for the third week. He will be in better position.

I have a question, did Roglic train outside during the lockdown?

As far as I remember, his training wasn't affected by the local measures.

 

[inthepink]

So Valverde, Yates, Uran (who did the most training on all on the rollers) , Bardet , Barguil ...

 

[perico]

here is the top 20 on the stage.

1 ROGLIČ PrimožTeam Jumbo-Visma 60503:39:402
PINOT ThibautGroupama - FDJ 25300:083
BUCHMANN EmanuelBORA - hansgrohe 1018,,4
MARTIN GuillaumeCofidis, Solutions Crédits 13,,5
QUINTANA NairoTeam Arkéa Samsic 100:106
LÓPEZ Miguel ÁngelAstana Pro Team 7,,7
MARTÍNEZ Daniel FelipeEF Pro Cycling 4,,8
LANDA MikelBahrain - McLaren 3,,9
PORTE RichieTrek - Segafredo 2,,10
BERNAL EganTeam INEOS 1,,11
KUSS SeppTeam Jumbo-Visma 0:4012
REICHENBACH SébastienGroupama - FDJ 0:5913
BARDET RomainAG2R La Mondiale ,,14
DUMOULIN TomTeam Jumbo-Visma ,,15
POGAČAR TadejUAE-Team Emirates 1:0116
KRUIJSWIJK StevenTeam Jumbo-Visma 1:0917
MAS EnricMovistar Team 1:3218
POZZOVIVO DomenicoNTT Pro Cycling ,,19
HIRSCHI MarcTeam Sunweb 1:3520
KÄMNA LennardBORA - hansgrohe 1

 

[BlueRoads]

Well, I'm sure that's not the only reason for TJV's success, but if it became clear that the riders not under strict lockdown had a significant advantage at the Tour after all, that would be annoying to see. I hope it's just a momentary impression.

 

[RedheadDane]

Italians were super-locked down too, weren't they?

Yeah, and the French.

 

[Red Rick]

Roglic might have the same issue that he had at the Giro last year. But the big difference this year is his team. That would make a big difference. His team will help him save energy for the third week. He will be in better position.

I have a question, did Roglic train outside during the lockdown?

He had digestive issues at the Giro last year.

Sivakov meanwhile also incredibly disappointing today

 

[jaylew]

JV show just started

No, it's been playing for a while now.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Italians were super-locked down too, weren't they?

Many of the Italian pros live in Switzerland because of Taxes, so they were able to train outside.

 

[inthepink]

Nice to see Reichenbach is looking good for Pinot

 

[how yes no?]

I'd like to point out, that we have no confirmation of Roglič peaking too early for the last years Giro, but we do have a story from Roglič himself, that he's had serious digestion problems and didn't feel well or as we might say, he was and felt ill. (Now one could argue, that his illness is the result in (in sense of materialisation) of his early peak, but a lot of people get ill without being pro cyclist that peaks to early). Then came the team cars "natural break" and subsequent accident, which was much worse than he was ready to admit at the time, trying to still scrape something out of the Giro, even though abandoning was seriously contemplated. Now I might be naive, but I believe that Primož does not like to talk often or much, but when he says something, he is above all else, honest, so I believe the story.
What can also be said in retrospective is that Nibali was very right when he said "Roglič is not gonna win the Giro ridding like that" after Roglič preferred to mark Nibali at all cost and let Carapaz get away... Of course Roglič (or Nibali) at the time could not foresee the problems awaiting him around the corner, and it can be a mildly interesting "what if", to speculate how the Giro would go if Roglič just tried to take all the time he could when he still could (if he (as I believe) actually could).

 

[perico]

Well, I'm sure that's not the only reason for TJV's success, but if it became clear that the riders not under strict lockdown had a significant advantage at the Tour after all, that would be annoying to see. I hope it's just a momentary impression.

The others are riding themselves into form, and that’s not to take anything away from TJV.

There’s also the fact that this years results will likely be distorted in one way or another just for the fact that different riders will physically react to the lockdowns differently. Some will peak easier coming out of the quarantine than others.

It could be that a rider like Pogacar, Mas, Landa, Valverde or even Betnal or any other rider won’t have the results expected because maybe they need more racing in their legs and the quick buildup to the TdF hinders their Preparation in different ways than say Roglic or Pinot. It could go in any direction at this point.

That doesn’t diminish anyone’s success but this is going to be a weird year at the TdF that may distort some results and cause conclusions that could flip next year assuming that racing returns to a more normal season through a full year.

 

[movingtarget]

Roglic and Kuss looked fresh at the finish. Expected more from Bernal. Porte not a bad ride but Roglic is looking like he is in pre Giro 2019 form. And he looked probably better in the Vuelta against weaker opposition. Dumoulin and Froome obviously have work to do. Slightly surprised by Ala and Bardet's rides. Pinot looks pretty solid but he often does until the middle of the third week of the Tour ! Quintana was pretty good as well.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I wouldnt name Dumo and Froome in one sentence. Dumo is miles ahead of Froome in the comeback trajectory i'd say.
Taken into account Dumoulin had to come back from a puncture as well today I think he did decent.