Critérium du Dauphiné 2024, June 2 - 9

[AnotherArmChair]

This is just false.

No it wasnt ....I am talking about when dePlus and Vlasov went first and were out in front

I went back to check

4.9 KM to go dePlus attacks , Landa follows de Plus but then stops following

4.7 KM to go, Vlasov goes and Landa goes to the front

4.1 KM to go Vlasov & de Plus catch Gregoire, gap 21 seconds and Landa still at front

3.9 KM to go Gap drops to 17 seconds - Butrago out the back, Landa at front

3.7 KM to go gap drops to 15 seconds - Gaudu out the back, Landa at front

3.4 KM to go Roglic attacks , Landa follows behind Gee , Jorgenson,

3.0 KM to go Landa goes back and pulls Remco group again.

2.1 KM to go Landa still on the front, gap 20 secs to Vlasov

1.8 KM to go Landa still pulling gap 18 Secs to Vlasov

1.6 KM ot gp Rog now with Vlasov together with Ciccone, and Vlasov goes full gas fro Rog, gap goes up to 20 secs

731 meters to go Landa still pulling Remco gap 29 secs

595 meters to go Remco is following alone


now that was a strong ride by Landa in my book

 

[Valv.Piti]

I long for thin pre-cake Remco. Where is he? I'd immediately employ Bjarne Riis and Michael Rasmussen in my preprations if I were him, these guys know a thing or two about that stuff. Certainly more then the clueless people in charge at Quickesteppers!

 

[Netserk]

The fact that Derek Gee was within 15 seconds should provide another clue...

Like Thomas winning Dauphiné in 2018.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Today was a whatever climbing display, no numbers can really change my mind about that

 

[Lequack]

Remco interview

https://twitter.com/x/status/1799124410751971418

View: https://twitter.com/NBCSCycling/status/1799124410751971418

 

[cen]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SRFgAhAJy4

 

[tobydawq]

Like Thomas winning Dauphiné in 2018.

What?

 

[Jack_89]

Remco evenepoel did 6.5 w/kg on Tour Norway during half an hour, he will win the tour easily.

(Tim cahil was just joking i think).

no intention to make fun of anyone. I was just thinking about the data that every time jumps out where we are climbing. as if cycling is reduced to simple mathematics and statistics. without considering racing factors. Funny game...but remains a game.

 

[Valv.Piti]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3SRFgAhAJy4

Sounds like the reporter did a 5 min interval to catch up to Vlasov. That or he's just really nervous lol

 

[Froome]

no intention to make fun of anyone. I was just thinking about the data that every time jumps out where we are climbing. as if cycling is reduced to simple mathematics and statistics. without considering racing factors. Funny game...but remains a game.

Certainly is not the only fator that matters, but it is a important fator for GT riders in climbing perfomances, since the perfomance staff of the teams and the riders talk a lot about that.

 

[Lequack]

Sounds like the reporter did a 5 min interval to catch up to Vlasov. That or he's just really nervous lol

He always talks like that, sometimes it's quite hard to understand for the riders with the thick French accent.

 

[shadowrider]

It's clear Remco has to specifically work on his climbing weight: his 'natural' weight is probably 3-4kgs higher than his optimal climbing weight. He just hasn't got the body structure of a lean climber. He can climb, for sure, but he has to work hard to climb well. 2 weeks without a bike isn't doing any good for achieving that climbing weight. Naturally with racing and good training, he can shed 1-2 kg by the 1st of july, but he'll have to keep an eye on it.

1 to 2 kg? What for? To fight for a top 10? He'll need to get rid of a lot more than that, but time is up, and that's not happening.

I agree with Volderke. But I think he has an overweight of 1 kg or 1,5 kg at this moment. Not 3 to 4 kg. He is not a natural climber and will always have issues with his weight before a GT. Go for the win in a small not to mountaneous stagerace (with TT) and in a hilly onedayrace is perfectly possible with his normal shapeweight. Which is about his actual weight.

Evenepoel will lose those actual 1,5 kg before the start of the Tour. To get rid of more than his GT-weight (that would mean a weight as much as a real climber of his lenght) would have the opposite effect. With his ideal GT-weight, Evenepoel should be able to ride at a high pace till the top of the climbs, also in the Tour. Not being a natural climber, he has one "cartouche" in a final climb. For one attack or for a sprint uphill. That high pace will not be enough to follow Vingegaard (if in topshape) or Pogacar. But enough to follow Rodriguez, Jorgenson and Roglic.
I think that if Evenepoel feels he is not good saturday and/or sunday, he should give a chance to Landa. but only in the Dauphiné. Landa has no chance to finish top 5 in the Tour. He's gonna lose 4 to 5 minutes in the TT. He is not a topclimber (or isn't anymore). As a potential leader he is gonna lose every uphill arrival dozends of seconds. Ending the Tour at more than 10 minutes of the winner. So, Evenepoel is more appropriate.

And Logic ? What about Van Wilder ? Again not in shape (he should be at 99 % now) or terrible irregular. Will he be able to help Evenepoel during the Tour ? I doubt is. The same with Knox. He is in a terrible bad shape. Hirt was competing in the Giro and will not be able to be competitive in the Tour. Normally he shouldn't participate. Only Vervaecke remains. A good rider for the mountains, but not good enough to help Evenepoel in a final climb. So Evenepoel will only have Landa by his side (or vice-versa). Compared to the climbing armadas of Emirates, INEOS, Bohra and even Visma (still Kuss, Jorgenson, Van Aert...) the Soudal-Quickstep (climbing) team is/will be dramatically weak.

 

[houtdffan]

"I can ride a hard pace, but I can't go over the limit yet. That's what I've been trying to tell all week, that I'm not up there yet to fight for a GC win, but seems people are still surprised. We're on the right track tho, that's what's important right now", I just heard Remco say on the radio news.

The way Senator Remco talks, a watt bomb is coming tomorrow

 

[shadowrider]

Sure his role was clear ..he is paid to support and he did a good job..why he is paid
but given the climbing of the field today its is also true to say that he could have been with the best

When Evenepoel was even dropped by the second chasersgroup, Landa was allowed to counter. Which he did. But he quickly had to get back on the saddle and was caught up. At the end Evenepoel was the better of the two. Of course, Landa had worked before leading the group of favorites and/or chasers. But Vlasov did the same work for Bohra or even more during his attack with De Plus and later in pacing Roglic and dropping the opponents.

 

[shadowrider]

The way Senator Remco talks, a watt bomb is coming tomorrow

He means just improving, day after day. Even being dropped. I think there will be a Evenepoel (small) watt bomb during the second half of the Tour.

 

[zlev11]

Yup, Joux Plane in the 3rd week in 30 degrees after Ramaz and a very hard stage in general is definitely comparable to basically a monoclimb MTF in Dauphine in perfect conditions

it's certainly not comparable like for like, but it's a decent barometer to gauge the level. 6.36 w/kg for 31 minutes is no joke and he is definitely not at his highest level yet, plus he just crashed twice. that could very well translate to 6.15-6.20 w/kg at the end of the 2nd week. i didn't expect him to ride with Pogacar on the climbs in the Tour before today but after seeing those numbers now I actually think he has a chance. i also dont think he went full out today either.

it's also not fair to compare the competition, there are a lot of guys who can climb very well on an easy stage fully fresh like today that cannot do it after 14, 15 days. previous history shows that we know Roglic can.

 

[Netserk]

Marc Soler only lost 28" on Lo Port, still a very fast climb.

EDIT: And like that day, perfect conditions for a fast ascent.

 

[Sciatic]

GC Derek Gee! Love to see it. Canadians have been waiting long time after Ryder Hesjedal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1799101655394463887

View: https://twitter.com/IsraelPremTech/status/1799101655394463887

Really enjoying his interviews —hope he continues to do well so we can hear more from him!

 

[Salvarani]

No it wasnt ....I am talking about when dePlus and Vlasov went first and were out in front

I went back to check

4.9 KM to go dePlus attacks , Landa follows de Plus but then stops following

4.7 KM to go, Vlasov goes and Landa goes to the front

4.1 KM to go Vlasov & de Plus catch Gregoire, gap 21 seconds and Landa still at front

3.9 KM to go Gap drops to 17 seconds - Butrago out the back, Landa at front

3.7 KM to go gap drops to 15 seconds - Gaudu out the back, Landa at front

3.4 KM to go Roglic attacks , Landa follows behind Gee , Jorgenson,

3.0 KM to go Landa goes back and pulls Remco group again.

2.1 KM to go Landa still on the front, gap 20 secs to Vlasov

1.8 KM to go Landa still pulling gap 18 Secs to Vlasov

1.6 KM ot gp Rog now with Vlasov together with Ciccone, and Vlasov goes full gas fro Rog, gap goes up to 20 secs

731 meters to go Landa still pulling Remco gap 29 secs

595 meters to go Remco is following alone


now that was a strong ride by Landa in my book

Then Remco loses another +10 seconds without Landa. He truly sacrificed himself and limited the damage for Remco, if only he would have been able to ride his own race. He was chasing after Vlasov and then had to turn back!

 

[Froome]

it's certainly not comparable like for like, but it's a decent barometer to gauge the level. 6.36 w/kg for 31 minutes is no joke and he is definitely not at his highest level yet, plus he just crashed twice. that could very well translate to 6.15-6.20 w/kg at the end of the 2nd week. i didn't expect him to ride with Pogacar on the climbs in the Tour before today but after seeing those numbers now I actually think he has a chance. i also dont think he went full out today either.

it's also not fair to compare the competition, there are a lot of guys who can climb very well on an easy stage fully fresh like today that cannot do it after 14, 15 days. previous history shows that we know Roglic can.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702069765517316528

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1702069765517316528


Similar in w/kg+time effort(just less a couple minutes),but in more hard conditions.

 

[zlev11]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702069765517316528

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1702069765517316528


Similar in w/kg+time effort(just less a couple minutes),but in more hard conditions.

yep there you go. in the third week as well.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I went back to check

731 meters to go Landa still pulling Remco gap 29 secs

I think the gps timing was not very accurate. I hand clocked it to 35-36 second under the Flamme Rouge when the timing showed a lot less.

 

[Rob5091]

Before the race started the talk was all Roglic & Remco, and that's what it looks like on the GC now after the big crash and today's stage.
Vlasov got the chasing down job today, will it be Hindley's turn tomorrow or is he suffering maybe.

 

[Sciatic]

That final climb tomorrow is some serious stuff. Looks like a 3km stretch at 11% in the 1st third of the climb. Would be fun to see some team push on Ramaz to whittle down the group but I don’t see any team with the incentive to do so—certainly not BORA or Soudal.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Remco interview

https://twitter.com/x/status/1799124410751971418

View: https://twitter.com/NBCSCycling/status/1799124410751971418

He's being honest, he knows he's not there yet and has more work to do, and he's not blaming his injuries. So, good interview I thought.