Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[Brullnux]

Do you really think bonus seconds is what will separate Remco from Pogacar?

Oh, no, absolutely not. But Remco is at a stage in his GC career that he needs to be trying out different ways to beat Pogacar/Vingo, rather than acting as their quasi-domestique. He can't beat them on pure strength, so he has to be clever, and I think he should be using each stage race to test out what could work.

 

[Heston]

Buitrago must be out of contraxt next year with that leadout he did for Pogacar

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yeah, but I think the point is, that Pogi won't be able to "out-kick" Jonas this year, like he did last year.

He has clearly worked on becoming more explosive.

What it means to the other parts of his abilities remains to be seen.

But Vingegaard still needs to drop Pogacar if he wants to win. Unless he does 2 TTs way better than Pogacar.

 

[jmdirt]

Three of the best go 1, 2, 3!

 

[Flamin]

All this moaning about motor pacing. Anyone thought about the idea that maybe the motos can't go fast enough to get out their way?

Nothing to do with being too close after a corner for 2 seconds. The moto was riding way too close, on straight roads, consistently.

 

[Cycling111]

Big freaking deal that Pogacar beat Vingegaard in a flat sprint, when the later stayed on his wheel on the climb, made the attack afterwards and finished 2nd in a reduced sprint. Looking at his skill set that is more impressive.

Pogacar had to close the gap after two attacks from Jorgenson.

But this reminds me of what was said after Lioran's sprint.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

Jonas starting tomorrow in green !!!
Nairo reborn

 

[scribers]

Vingo looks good wearing pogi’s jerseys

 

[Rou]

Yeah, but I think the point is, that Pogi won't be able to "out-kick" Jonas this year, like he did last year.

He has clearly worked on becoming more explosive.

What it means to the other parts of his abilities remains to be seen.

It's a myth that Vingegaard is not explosive. He always has been. If he was not explosive he would not have followed the crazy attack on San Luca last year. And last year Pogacar did not ''out-kick'' him. He straight up dropped him.

 

[Boehmand]

But Vingegaard still needs to drop Pogacar if he wants to win. Unless he does 2 TTs way better than Pogacar.

Sure - and most probably the Tour will get decided in the high mountains, it usually is.

I'm just making the observation, that Vingegaard has clearly worked to eliminate ONE of the weapons in Pogacar's arsenal - his ability to outkick him and thus create separation.

 

[Potomac]

Healy 3:49 down?

WTF?

 

[dazaau]

Who cares, it's the dauphiné.

The whole thing was so wonderfully unnecessary 😅

 

[hayneplane]

Nice course with just enough to encourage attacks and still induce great doubt on how the stage would end.

Great to see all the big guns come out to play. Really impressive from Vingegaard and Pogacar just did Pogacar things as usual.

The organisers probably could not have dreamed of anything more than arguably the 4 best riders in the world finishing 1-4 in stage 1.

 

[Red Rick]

It's a myth that Vingegaard is not explosive. He always has been. If he was not explosive he would not have followed the crazy attack on San Luca last year. And last year he did not ''out-kick'' him. He straight up dropped him.

Vingegaard's kick and sprint is always underrated because it's weaker than the guy he's always compared to. But compared to what you'd normally expect from a pure climber, he's really pretty explosive and fast.

 

[Boehmand]

It's a myth that Vingegaard is not explosive. He always has been. If he was not explosive he would not have followed the crazy attack on San Luca last year. And last year Pogacar did not ''out-kick'' him. He straight up dropped him.

I never said he wasn't, but in comparison to Pogacar he is not and that has been a tactical issue for him, which he has clearly worked to eliminate.

 

[Froome]

Sure - and most probably the Tour will get decided in the high mountains, it usually is.

I'm just making the observation, that Vingegaard has clearly worked to eliminate ONE of the weapons in Pogacar's arsenal - his ability to outkick him and thus create separation.

Last year he was more light, and lost a lot of muscle mass, it was visible on his legs. Now, this year is different. Vingegaard normally is explosive.

 

[kingjr]

Nothing to do with being too close after a corner for 2 seconds. The moto was riding way too close, on straight roads, consistently.

As a viewer, I must say I don't mind a bit of motorpacing as long as everyone who matters gets to benefit, which was the case today.

 

[Berniece]

Remco, needs to be smarter about this stuff.
Going across was not necessary, just wasted energy.
And if you do go across, he should have raced more like Vingegaard. Now all he did was allow his main rivals to take bonies.

It’s not like he has a weak sprint. But being positioned so badly when it mattered is what made him lose the race. I think he could’ve won otherwise.

 

[Samamba]

Healy 3:49 down?

WTF?

He was doing work early

 

[Boehmand]

Last year he was more light, and lost a lot of muscle mass, it was visible on his legs. Now, this year is different. Vingegaard normally is explosive.

Again, I never said he wasn't - we are only talking in comparison to Pogacar here - and nobody in their right mind would think he ever matched a healthy Pogacar in that respect.

 

[titan31]

Healy 3:49 down?

WTF?

Cort as well was well off. Those are two I'd have been expecting to challenge for stage wins these first few days so not sure what's going on there.

Hoping it was just them sitting up and not physical issues

 

[kingjr]

But Vingegaard still needs to drop Pogacar if he wants to win. Unless he does 2 TTs way better than Pogacar.

I think Vingegaard is well able to beat Pogacar in 2 TTs. Question is, how much is "way better."

 

[Potomac]

dumb aso is still going with the new green jersey

 

[Boehmand]

The whole thing was so wonderfully unnecessary 😅

I don't actually agree.

These guys are not entirely sure they can drop each other on the few big mountains there are - or create great separation on the ITT - so they are all gunning it for bonus seconds.

It's wonderful racing with closely matched contenders.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Vingegaard is well able to beat Pogacar in 2 TTs. Question is, how much is "way better."

Way better is gaining more than 30 seconds combined.