Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[Flamin]

As a viewer, I must say I don't mind a bit of motorpacing as long as everyone who matters gets to benefit, which was the case today.

That's one way of looking at it.

I do mind when it obviously decides the outcome of a race, no matter who benefits from it.

 

[kingjr]

Way better is gaining more than 30 seconds combined.

I'd say he can do that. He's done even better before.

 

[fenns]

Very entertaining final few km. Pogacar timed it the best.

 

[Froome]

Again, I never said he wasn't - we are only talking in comparison to Pogacar here - and nobody in their right mind would think he ever matched a healthy Pogacar in that respect.

I think in short efforts, pogacar can't drop Vingegaard, because Vingegaard is also explosive.

The normal situation is Pogacar beating Vingegaard in the sprint, but never getting a gap.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I'd say he can do that. He's done even better before.

I don't believe. First TT is in the first week and Pogacar will probably gain 5-15 seconds to Vingegaard.

 

[kingjr]

I don't believe. First TT is in the first week and Pogacar will probably gain 5-15 seconds to Vingegaard.

That's probably the most likely outcome, I agree. But even then, Vingegaard could still gain 35–45 seconds in the second TT.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I don't believe. First TT is in the first week and Pogacar will probably gain 5-15 seconds to Vingegaard.

I’d be worried about the difference between the UAE/Visma tt setups on the flat this year, that guy always complaining about the bikes in the Pogacar thread isn’t wrong.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Buitrago asking himself what he is doing with the aliens.

Volta a la comunidad valenciana enjoyers know that buitrago belongs in the alien group.

 

[Boehmand]

Way better is gaining more than 30 seconds combined.

The 2nd ITT might make huge gaps.

It's the day after Hautacam where they will all probably have gone deep, and then they are doing an ITT up Peyragudes - knowing they are doing Tourmalet, D'Aspin, Peyresourde and Luchon Superbagnères the day after.

I have no idea who it might favour, but the potential is definitely there.

 

[Boehmand]

I think in short efforts, pogacar can't drop Vingegaard, because Vingegaard is also explosive.

The normal situation is Pogacar beating Vingegaard in the sprint, but never getting a gap.

Vingegaard - as did his trainer - specifically said in interviews this was an area they were working on improving, because they saw Pogacar was better there.

I don't know why people in here are stubborn about something he has publicly voiced

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Wow, unexpectedly exciting finish of the stage. Not only GC stars (Pogacar, Vingegaard, Evenepoel) but also...MVP. What a mix! Congrats to Pogacar on a good sprint and another victory this season. Vingegaard clearly showed a very good form today, far from his best terrain. The battle in the mountains should be really good.

 

[YellowSocks]

Question is, how much is "way better."

1'38?

 

[Peyroteo94]

That's probably the most likely outcome, I agree. But even then, Vingegaard could still gain 35–45 seconds in the second TT.

I think it's hard to believe that, specially in Pogacar's terrain. Maybe you don't know but Pogacar said 20 minutes climbs are his cup of tea.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Even last year, Pogacar wasn't able to drop Vingegaard on small hills, why would it change this year? Specially against a peak Vingegaard?

 

[Froome]

Vingegaard - as did his trainer - specifically said in interviews this was an area they were working on improving, because they saw Pogacar was better there.

I don't know why people in here are stubborn about something he has publicly voiced

It is something specifically trained since this winter, because as we all know, Vingegaard didn't had the body in he conditions he wanted last year. Naturally he was less explosive.

 

[Jagartrott]

I do mind when it obviously decides the outcome of a race, no matter who benefits from it.

Small group vs other small group: I mind. Small group vs peloton: I don't mind.

 

[Boehmand]

It is something specifically trained since this winter, because as we all know, Vingegaard didn't had the body in he conditions he wanted last year. Naturally he was less explosive.

Well ok - I guess you know better than Vingegaard and his trainer why he has specifically worked on improving this area - cool beans dude

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

Delightful end of the first stage.

Vingegaard looking very sharp, Pogačar being smart and both VDP and Evenepoel vying for the bonis, too.

ETA: Of all the outcomes I could have imagined, Vingegaard wearing green for Pogačar tomorrow was not on my list, but I'm very pleased.

 

[YavorD]

It is something specifically trained since this winter, because as we all know, Vingegaard didn't had the body in he conditions he wanted last year. Naturally he was less explosive.

He didn't look less explosive to me.
He was losing time on the long sustained efforts.
On the one truly explosive climb - San Luca, he was the only one to stay with Pogacar.

 

[Cycling111]

He didn't look less explosive to me.
He was losing time on the long sustained efforts.
On the one truly explosive climb - San Luca, he was the only one to stay with Pogacar.

After San Lucca and Lioran sprint, Pogacar was going to lose the Tour.... Deja Vu.
Hasty conclusions.

He also had to close two gaps to Jorgenson today. UAE was once again disastrous. Narvaez missing today.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think in short efforts, pogacar can't drop Vingegaard, because Vingegaard is also explosive.

The normal situation is Pogacar beating Vingegaard in the sprint, but never getting a gap.

In 2023 Pog dropped peak Vingegaard multiple times during short/medium length efforts i.e. Puy de Dome, Grand Colombiere or Joux Plane.

 

[dercuforever]

Pogacar may also be on a slow burn, because the first week of the Tour is easy.

I'm not counting ANY chickens at this point.

Pogacar will have 2' on the 5th by the end of first week but ok.

 

[Froome]

He didn't look less explosive to me.
He was losing time on the long sustained efforts.
On the one truly explosive climb - San Luca, he was the only one to stay with Pogacar.

Maybe freshness played a bit there in San Luca, but on Lioran he wasn't able to close the gap when pogacar attacked, on galibier the same thing happened. He couldn't close the explosive attacks from pogacar.

At the end of the day, he also lost time on long efforts, because he didn't had the legs.

 

[Froome]

In 2023 Pog dropped peak Vingegaard multiple times during short/medium length efforts i.e. Puy de Dome, Grand Colombiere or Joux Plane.

He lost a bit of time there, but you can still see Vingegaard was more explosive there than last year. Last year he couldn't even follow a bit the wheel of pogacar, except in san luca.

 

[Boehmand]

Danish interviewer post-stage:

"When did you plan your attack?"

Vingegaard:

"2 seconds before"