Critérium du Dauphiné 2025, June 8 - 15

[CyclistAbi]

cycling is so much more fun when the 3 aliens battle it out.

Try to mention Remco in Pogi vs Jonas thread.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Soudal also taking part in the chasing now, all 3 big GC team contribute.

The last minutes they have been chasing ca. 20 seconds backwards though. Maybe that's why.

 

[Boehmand]

Try to mention Remco in Pogi vs Jonas thread.

To me it has a lot to do with modern route design.

I'd venture a guess that if the Tour made an Indurain style route, Evenepoel would be the top candidate for the win.

 

[CyclistAbi]

To me it has a lot to do with modern route design.

I'd venture a guess that if the Tour made an Indurain style route, Evenepoel would be the top candidate for the win.

Lets wait till ITT.

 

[Boehmand]

The last minutes they have been casing ca. 20 seconds backwards though. Maybe that's why.

Break is dropping the hammer and the GC teams have not yet realised - and at the same time the GC teams are a little more conservative downhill.

I think they will be around a minute at the bottom of the climb and that it then hangs in the balance if the break takes the stage win.

 

[Heston]

Stage winner is in the break.

 

[Boehmand]

Lets wait till ITT.

It's part of the issue, TTs are far shorter and lumpier these days.

In Indurains last Tour win, there was a total of 164K TT (64 of them TTT), by far most of it flat.

This year the Tour has a total of 44K TT, of which 11K is straight up a HC climb.

 

[Boehmand]

EF all moving up, Healy will go on the climb.

 

[YavorD]

To me it has a lot to do with modern route design.

I'd venture a guess that if the Tour made an Indurain style route, Evenepoel would be the top candidate for the win.

In a week 3 TT, I don't think Remco has any significant advantage, so there's only the first TT.
Even if he puts 3 minutes on them, they've shown they can put 3 minutes on a single climb.

And I don't think Evenepoel would be even close to put 3 minutes on Pogacar and Vingegaard on a 50km TT.


Of course, Evenepoel could improve on the climbs more than they do.

 

[Heston]

EF all moving up, Healy will go on the climb.

Healy got dropped on the first climb. He will go backwards to the gruppetto.

 

[Boehmand]

Healy got dropped on the first climb. He will go backwards to the gruppetto.

That was before I got pictures - they may want Valgren, Baudin or Chavez to go then, but they are definitely up to something.

 

[Boehmand]

Brian Holm going off on Wilfred Peters' driving skills, after seeing him almost mow down a Movistar rider, and launches into an anecdote about a time he ran a rider down through terrible driving skills

 

[nightowl]

Peloton can’t seem to get the gap down.

Weird because the break looks very relaxed while they’re smashing it at the front of the peloton

 

[Tricycle Rider]

The temp is evidently pretty warm and the sky looks hazy, I'm sure the scenery would look much nicer without the haze. (Mandatory scenery comment.)

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Hm, gap now going down fast.

 

[Boehmand]

Gap is dropping fast now - remember it is pretty much uphill to the foot of the climb, so the break is at a disadvantage.

 

[Boehmand]

5 GC trains (and EF) across the road, all going full gas

 

[Boehmand]

Chavez is apparently a dom, he just brought bottles for the guys in front.

 

[Lequack]

This tiny climb is hyped more than the Poggio in Sanremo race. Doubt anything happens.

 

[Miha81]

To me it has a lot to do with modern route design.

I'd venture a guess that if the Tour made an Indurain style route, Evenepoel would be the top candidate for the win.

The real "hour of truth" with 50+km ITT would definitely spiced things up.

 

[Boehmand]

Brian Holm now talking about his "little black book" where he and the mechanics would note rider numbers from opposing teams that were arseholes on the road, and whenever such riders had a technical, they would pull out the book, go "yes his number is in here", and then purposefully make it harder for him to get back through the cars to peloton, by driving a particular way

 

[AlpRaid]

In a week 3 TT, I don't think Remco has any significant advantage, so there's only the first TT.
Even if he puts 3 minutes on them, they've shown they can put 3 minutes on a single climb.

And I don't think Evenepoel would be even close to put 3 minutes on Pogacar and Vingegaard on a 50km TT.


Of course, Evenepoel could improve on the climbs more than they do.

he put 3 minutes (or thereabouts) into pog in Cardiff (my bad!) Glasgow in 48 kms (and pog medaled in the road race, so in shape).

however, I agree, even if he got 3-4 minutes from longer flat TTs, pog would make this up fairly easily in the MTFs. However, it would make it more fun/interesting.

question I have is whether remco (barring any more injuries) will eventually get the bump pog clearly got around age 25. there was a time when remco dropped pog at the Euros in Trentino. this would never happen now (and it was the year remco was still coming back from his Lombardy crash).

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Brian Holm now talking about his "little black book" where he and the mechanics would note rider numbers from opposing teams that were arseholes on the road, and whenever such riders had a technical, they would pull out the book, go "yes his number is in here", and then purposefully make it hader for him to get back through the cars to peloton, by driving a particular way

I'm not familiar with Brian Holm but he seems to be on a roll today!

 

[Boehmand]

Damn, I said 1 minute at the bottom of the climb, but it was 1.01 - I am losing my touch

 

[Boehmand]

I'm not familiar with Brian Holm but he seems to be on a roll today!

Former DS at Soudal for many years - used to be Cavendish's DS at Highroad too.