http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/05/david-millar-cycling
David millar giving a thoughtful and provocative interview in guardian newspaper.
David millar giving a thoughtful and provocative interview in guardian newspaper.
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messycolin said:http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/nov/05/david-millar-cycling
David millar giving a thoughtful and provocative interview in guardian newspaper.
"There's still a sad irony here. Sky won the Tour clean and they have become another flag-bearer for the future. But they're getting vilified because their zero-tolerance policy has been questioned. Yet they were still clean. They never doped. There's room for Sky's zero-tolerance aim but there should be flexibility. Teams like ours [Garmin-Sharp – which Millar leads alongside Jonathan Vaughters, his team manager and another former drug-using cyclist turned redoubtable anti-doping campaigner] work by including those of us who made past mistakes."
"Doping is just a non-subject to the young guys," Millar says. "To them it's the dark ages of the sport. It's easy to forget that, when I turned pro, it was everywhere. That's what we mustn't forget. Jonathan and I have this sense of history but we want to change things in the future. We think it carries so much more weight and power to work with people who have learnt from the past and want to make a difference. But it's also easy for others to move away from the fact that we cleaned up the sport – from the ground. You can win the biggest races clean now and that's a seismic change.
"Tyler doesn't know what the sport is like today. He hasn't spent time with us and seen what we've done to clean up their mess. I think it's great what Tyler has done, with the book, and coming to terms with the past. But can we put it into context please? It's such a shame Sky and us are talking points because we're both clean teams and putting ourselves on a soap box in different ways. We both want to acknowledge the past by cleaning up the present and creating a better future for cycling."
sniper said:what a load of crap.
amazing really.
the last bit of credibility i was willing to give Millar vanishes with this interview.
hrotha said:Sniper is right though. I only skimmed over the interview and I was mildly happy that he was adoping a somewhat harsher stance on McQuaid (still too soft, IMO; but it's an improvement). But Millar simply can't vouch for Sky. On the one hand, we're told it's not talked about anymore, not even within the same team, but on the other we have to believe Millar, who isn't even a Sky rider, knows for sure they're clean. If the doping culture is receding (and I believe it was at least until 2011), then the doping that is still going on will be more secretive than ever, and Millar has simply no way to know what other teams are up to.
hrotha said:Sniper is right though. I only skimmed over the interview and I was mildly happy that he was adoping a somewhat harsher stance on McQuaid (still too soft, IMO; but it's an improvement). But Millar simply can't vouch for Sky. On the one hand, we're told it's not talked about anymore, not even within the same team, but on the other we have to believe Millar, who isn't even a Sky rider, knows for sure they're clean. If the doping culture is receding (and I believe it was at least until 2011), then the doping that is still going on will be more secretive than ever, and Millar has simply no way to know what other teams are up to.
All this talk about it being in the past conveniently forgets the ongoing Padua investigation.
Miller can clearly comment on Garmin. Whether you believe him or not is a personal issue, but you cannot argue he has no way of knowing.JimmyFingers said:He's in a far better position than anyone on this forum to comment on other teams, yet it doesn't stop anyone here, incuding you, saying who is dirty in the peloton
hrotha said:Sniper is right though. I only skimmed over the interview and I was mildly happy that he was adoping a somewhat harsher stance on McQuaid (still too soft, IMO; but it's an improvement). But Millar simply can't vouch for Sky. On the one hand, we're told it's not talked about anymore, not even within the same team, but on the other we have to believe Millar, who isn't even a Sky rider, knows for sure they're clean. If the doping culture is receding (and I believe it was at least until 2011), then the doping that is still going on will be more secretive than ever, and Millar has simply no way to know what other teams are up to.
All this talk about it being in the past conveniently forgets the ongoing Padua investigation.
thehog said:Miller is compromised. He doesn't give any other team the same ringing endorsement of cleanness. He only gives the seal of clean approval to the team whereby his sister is head of PR. That is what's known as a "conflict of interest" and its the very thing he is accusing McQuaid/HVB/Armstrong of.... Miller also owns a financial stake in Garmin. Again its within his own personal interest to claim they are clean. It would be better coming from an independent source or at least someone who doesn't gain financially from saying they are clean.
David might want to let us know "why" he knows Sky are clean? Why would he have such information?
Rabobank were clean now. Dave Millar's definition, o'course.thehog said:Miller is compromised. He doesn't give any other team the same ringing endorsement of cleanness. He only gives the seal of clean approval to the team whereby his sister is head of PR. That is what's known as a "conflict of interest" and its the very thing he is accusing McQuaid/HVB/Armstrong of.... Miller also owns a financial stake in Garmin. Again its within his own personal interest to claim they are clean. It would be better coming from an independent source or at least someone who doesn't gain financially from saying they are clean.
David might want to let us know "why" he knows Sky are clean? Why would he have such information?
JimmyFingers said:He's in a far better position than anyone on this forum to comment on other teams, yet it doesn't stop anyone here, incuding you, saying who is dirty in the peloton
The Hitch said:Millar is not in a better position than anyone on this forum. For 1 he has a **** poor record at identifying clean riders having pushed his weight behind Piepoli, Contador and on a different level, Mcquaid.
For another, had he been voicing a different opinion he would be widely dismissed as a proven cheat. he is, unlike most posters on here, a proven cheat.
The Hitch said:Millar is not in a better position than anyone on this forum. For 1 he has a **** poor record at identifying clean riders having pushed his weight behind Piepoli, Contador and on a different level, Mcquaid.
For another, had he been voicing a different opinion he would be widely dismissed as a proven cheat. he is, unlike most posters on here, a proven cheat.
JimmyFingers said:Do they ride as a professional, have a first-hand experience of doping themselves, and race and train and talk with the people they are accusing on a regular basis? Your speculation and his speculation are both the same: speculation, it's just his is far more qualified i.e. in a much better position.
Then it becomes a case of whether you believe him or not.
JimmyFingers said:He's in a far better position than anyone on this forum to comment on other teams, yet it doesn't stop anyone here, incuding you, saying who is dirty in the peloton
JimmyFingers said:Then it becomes a case of whether you believe him or not.
ferryman said:His breakdown in that interview in TDF (2007) when told about Vino's positive has always bothered me. I mean, even a Clinic rookie wouldn't have blinked an eye at that news FFS
I still have a 'It's Milllar Time' T shirt though bought from his long gone web site (run by Fran). Anyone else man (and old) enough to fess up they were a duped member also?
The Hitch said:Millar is not in a better position than anyone on this forum. For 1 he has a **** poor record at identifying clean riders having pushed his weight behind Piepoli, Contador and on a different level, Mcquaid.
For another, had he been voicing a different opinion he would be widely dismissed as a proven cheat. he is, unlike most posters on here, a proven cheat.
JimmyFingers said:Do they ride as a professional, have a first-hand experience of doping themselves, and race and train and talk with the people they are accusing on a regular basis? Your speculation and his speculation are both the same: speculation, it's just his is far more qualified i.e. in a much better position.
Then it becomes a case of whether you believe him or not.