Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[Netserk]

There was a tailwind...

 

[Benotti69]

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily 10m
#FlecheWallonne, Mur de Huy (1 km)
- Valverde fastest time ever
- Martin 2nd fastest time ever
- Kwiatkowski & Mollema 4th fastest time ever

New generation dont dope, 'ey JV.

 

[BigMac]

New generation dont dope, 'ey JV.

Being second proves anything? There was huge pace coming to the Mur, plus Katusha rider I cannot remember the name pulled hard for the first meters, then a group of favourites emerged, and only near the end it started to break mainly with Valverde's attack. Following that logic you'd have a complete top 10 with dopers because they've climbed together most of the time. Dan Martin simply was the strongest after Valverde. Plus there was tailwind as Netserk mentioned.

 

[Benotti69]

Being second proves anything? There was huge pace coming to the Mur, plus Katusha rider I cannot remember the name pulled hard for the first meters, then a group of favourites emerged, and only near the end it started to break mainly with Valverde's attack. Following that logic you'd have a complete top 10 with dopers because they've climbed together most of the time. Dan Martin simply was the strongest after Valverde. Plus there was tailwind as Netserk mentioned.

You do realise that Dan Martin did the 2nd fastest time up the Mur in history!

Now unless he had an invisible rope tied to Piti and got towed, how he did it is down to his body and legs. For a guy who in recent seasons was falling by the wayside due to pollen allergies and todays pollen count in Belgium was high he should've been off the back.

Martin competing with known serious PEDers is not a sign post to clean performances.

 

[BigMac]

You do realise that Dan Martin did the 2nd fastest time up the Mur in history!

Now unless he had an invisible rope tied to Piti and got towed, how he did it is down to his body and legs. For a guy who in recent seasons was falling by the wayside due to pollen allergies and todays pollen count in Belgium was high he should've been off the back.

Martin competing with known serious PEDers is not a sign post to clean performances.

Yes I do realise it was the second best time in history. So what, really.

The group was strong and the pace was always high for the entire climb. There wasn't one moment where riders waited and looked at each other, like in other years. You're taking conclusions from the last few meters where he got away. The main rerason for him having the second bes time ever is the fact that his group also made one of the festest Huy accents in history quite probably. You think Dan Martin would not be able to perform here if clean? If Kwiatkowsi had both Martin's legs and experience today, he would have got an historic time as well. Doper? As polen is concerned, I don't know if you're serious or what...

 

[sniper]

Yes I do realise it was the second best time in history. So what, really.

you mean that all those efforts by teams and cycling fan's to measure and compare speeds and times over the decades has been a useless exercise?

If Kwiatkowsi had both Martin's legs and experience today, he would have got an historic time as well. Doper?

you sound like you'd be surprised to find out kwiatkowski dopes.

As polen is concerned, I don't know if you're serious or what...

i guess benotti is as (un)serious as Dan Martin who's been using it as an excuse for bad form in previous years.

"It turned out he wasn’t healthy enough, at least for those long, gruelling high-summer months. All the time he was suffering from an undetected pollen allergy that prevented him from breathing properly." http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...an-martin-ready-for-the-big-stage-235499.html

 

[BigMac]

you mean that all those efforts by teams and cycling fan's to measure and compare speeds and times over the decades has been a useless exercise?

No, I mean that him having the second best time in history means absolutely nothing. It's just the usual speculation.

you sound like you'd be surprised to find out kwiatkowski dopes.

I wouldn't say surprised, I think it is somewhat unlikely. By Kwiatkowsi I also mean Mollema who reached the finnish with the same time or even Slagter. They could all have had the second best time ever had they had the form or experience of Dan Martin.

i guess benotti is as (un)serious as Dan Martin who's been using it as an excuse for bad form in previous years.

There are ways to control allergies.

 

[Red Lobster]

There are ways to control allergies.

Yes, I remember Tyler Hamilton could never perform this time of year because of allergies until he bought some Claritin or something and started winning Liege and coming second in the Giro.

 

[sniper]

There are ways to control allergies.

fair point. but pollen aint easy to treat.
let's see for pollen:

10 BEST TIPS

1. Check pollen counts.
2. Shut the windows.
3. Move outdoor activities to the afternoon.
4. Head out on rainy days.
5. Strip and shower.
6. Dry laundry indoors.
7. Use high-efficiency filters.
8. Try a neti pot.
9. Run OTCs by your doctor.
10. Treat early.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/exper...0-best-tips-to-ease-spring-allergies/6627815/

as far as i can tell, there's no medicine that fully ressolves pollen allergy (in other words, it will always bug you slightly, even if you're on medication), but i might be wrong.
if Martin is using medicine, can we see the prescription?

 

[BigMac]

Yes, I remember Tyler Hamilton could never perform this time of year because of allergies until he bought some Claritin or something and started winning Liege and coming second in the Giro.

Had he used Benadryl he might have won the Giro.

fair point. but pollen aint easy to treat.
let's see for pollen:

as far as i can tell, there's no medicine that fully ressolves pollen allergy, but i might be wrong.
if Martin is using medicine, can we see the prescription?

Yea, there isn't a treatment for allergies as far as I'm concerned, one can only try to control them using medicine and sometimes natural products. The only way to know is indeed to take a look at a prescription, if it exists. Don't know if possible or how unless he or his team decides to show it.

 

[dolophonic]

Yes I do realise it was the second best time in history. So what, really.

The group was strong and the pace was always high for the entire climb. There wasn't one moment where riders waited and looked at each other, like in other years. You're taking conclusions from the last few meters where he got away. The main rerason for him having the second bes time ever is the fact that his group also made one of the festest Huy accents in history quite probably. You think Dan Martin would not be able to perform here if clean? If Kwiatkowsi had both Martin's legs and experience today, he would have got an historic time as well. Doper? As polen is concerned, I don't know if you're serious or what...

Er .. the Mur . There is no time to look around. its on ! full gas to the top.

The fact the group made one of the fastest times ever is exactly the point these guys are trying to make.. so fresh and so clean ...2014.

 

[Benotti69]

Dan Martin thinks it is strange see his name on the roll of winners of LBL!

Dan Martin ‏@DanMartin86 Apr 25

pic.twitter.com/fTPkpp0hrm" Still seems strange seeing my name on that roll call of honour

I dont see much honour of the modern winners on that list, hey Dan!

 

[BYOP88]

Dan Martin thinks it is strange see his name on the roll of winners of LBL!



I dont see much honour of the modern winners on that list, hey Dan!

Maybe they didn't have enough characters on twitter to get the full message across and they had to drop "Dis-"

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe they didn't have enough characters on twitter to get the full message across and they had to drop "Dis-"

10 chara.........

 

[vedrafjord]

There are ways to control allergies.

Apparently Martin has had his sinuses cauterised to help control the symptoms. I suffer from pretty bad hayfever myself and it's no joke.

 

[sniper]

Apparently Martin has had his sinuses cauterised to help control the symptoms. I suffer from pretty bad hayfever myself and it's no joke.

is it possible, as we are supposed to believe in martin's case, that he only discovered the hayfever in his mid twenties?
isn't that something you find out a lot earlier?

All the time he was suffering from an undetected pollen allergy that prevented him from breathing properly.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...an-martin-ready-for-the-big-stage-235499.html

 

[Pentacycle]

is it possible, as we are supposed to believe in martin's case, that he only discovered the hayfever in his mid twenties?
isn't that something you find out a lot earlier?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...an-martin-ready-for-the-big-stage-235499.html

Pollen allergies can develop until your twenties, it's not uncommon.

 

[Ferminal]

I think Gerrans and Valverde may have come past him, but there is little doubt who was the strongest. Pretty good for clean cycling, or not.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Pollen allergies can develop until your twenties, it's not uncommon.

The level of symptoms can change dramatically according to where you are as the specific level of particular pollens vary.

I went from having minor ignorable symptoms, to major issues when I relocated o the US, due to the abundance of different tree pollens.

 

[Kokoso]

But there is little doubt who was the strongest. .

Pozzovivo?

 

[Franklin]

The level of symptoms can change dramatically according to where you are as the specific level of particular pollens vary.

I went from having minor ignorable symptoms, to major issues when I relocated o the US, due to the abundance of different tree pollens.

I'm pretty much allergic for everything that grows, something which suddenly popped up when I was 15, so I guess I'm an expert

Allergies have a "build up time". the first days are not an issue untill your anti-immunesystem goes into overdrive. This is why I love going abroad as the first two weeks are amazing... and then the problems start.

That said, with Claritine only the really, really bad days are problematic. And cycling is less problematic than just being outside with the kids. I loose power for sure, but the horrible sneeze attacks are pretty supressed when I'm putting down the hammer. For a pro it's game over of course.

 

[Franklin]

I think Gerrans and Valverde may have come past him, but there is little doubt who was the strongest. Pretty good for clean cycling, or not.

Pozzovivo? Weening? Nordhaug?

Seriously, I'm not dissing Martin but it was hardly as if he showed who was boss. Woukd he have won without the crash? Well, he had 15 metres over Gerrans and Valverde, which is substantial, so it's anyones guess.

 

[hrotha]

What I don't think is a good sign for clean cycling is whole pelotons at seemingly the same level.

 

[Franklin]

What I don't think is a good sign for clean cycling is whole pelotons at seemingly the same level.

I get your reasoning, but classics ended in mass spurts pre-epo as well. And I do think the general level of training is higher than it used to be in the eighties (the domestiques are better). It's still ages behind for example triathletes and speedskaters, but it's not as stupid as it was during the 80ies where interval training was something novel

Tentatively: I think the point system and the new finish discourage early attacks. I prefer the flat finish in the middle of Liege... that sure had a lot of hairraising incidents.

But again; I'm pretty much looking at the general level with the same questionmarks as you do.

 

[pmcg76]

is it possible, as we are supposed to believe in martin's case, that he only discovered the hayfever in his mid twenties?
isn't that something you find out a lot earlier?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...an-martin-ready-for-the-big-stage-235499.html

You know who else suffered from pollen allergies? super-hero Greg LeMond.