Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Vayer is a clown playing to the gallery.
He has no ****ing idea if Martin is doping or not.

Perhaps he looked him in the eyes?

I must say I want Martin to be clean, just like with Sastre and Peraud, but wouldnt be dissappointed if he/they was/were on something. He and Peraud are such ugly riders - stilish that is - everyone should support them, just because.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Perhaps he looked him in the eyes?

I must say I want Martin to be clean, just like with Sastre and Peraud, but wouldnt be dissappointed if he/they was/were on something. He and Peraud are such ugly riders - stilish that is - everyone should support them, just because.

"Now I know I can finish top ten clean"

 

[proffate]

After 3 weeks Dan Martin is only 10 minutes behind some pretty heavy weight dopers. What % is he behind? 1%? and we know that doping has a much greater effect than 1% so Dan Martin according to some is the most talented in the peloton........i dont think so.

Well on stage 20 he lost 3:22 in the last 29 minutes of climbing. Looks like >10% to me...

 

[noddy69]

Well on stage 20 he lost 3:22 in the last 29 minutes of climbing. Looks like >10% to me...

He looks the real deal to me. He suffers he has bad days and he is seriously talented. If there was anyone with a profile that doesnt shout Doper it's Martin.
There can be no certainties but when it really gets going he loses time and isnt up there with the very best....who have completely different profiles.
Dan Martin doesnt saunter up a hill with no effort at massive wattage so although no science involved he looks to be more trust worthy than a convicted doper or a guy who transforms overnight. At that he looks like climbing hurts, like its meant to, unlike a certain TDF winner who didnt bother to even open his mouth and pretend he was trying.......and his double.

 

[D-Queued]

He looks the real deal to me. He suffers he has bad days and he is seriously talented. If there was anyone with a profile that doesnt shout Doper it's Martin.
There can be no certainties but when it really gets going he loses time and isnt up there with the very best....who have completely different profiles.
Dan Martin doesnt saunter up a hill with no effort at massive wattage so although no science involved he looks to be more trust worthy than a convicted doper or a guy who transforms overnight. At that he looks like climbing hurts, like its meant to, unlike a certain TDF winner who didnt bother to even open his mouth and pretend he was trying.......and his double.

It is quite unusual to see a GC contender ride at speeds that I can actually attain in a sprint (while drafting behind a bus...), and actually look like they are suffering up what should be a painful ascent.

So, yes, Dan gets my vote.

In contrast, though he wasn't the same alien we came to love last year, Froome did make it look easy for the most part. Was he feigning suffering so that he could blow by Valverde and maintain that elevated pace for 7 km? As for Contador, did he even have an elevated heart rate?

Dave.

 

[noddy69]

It is quite unusual to see a GC contender ride at speeds that I can actually attain in a sprint (while drafting behind a bus...), and actually look like they are suffering up what should be a painful ascent.

So, yes, Dan gets my vote.

In contrast, though he wasn't the same alien we came to love last year, Froome did make it look easy for the most part. Was he feigning suffering so that he could blow by Valverde and maintain that elevated pace for 7 km? As for Contador, did he even have an elevated heart rate?

Dave.

Contador was back at his peak form. He looked like he could peddle with one leg and still win. I might be way off but I think Froome underestimated Contador and feigned weakness for the first part of the race.although not very well. Getting dropped then somehow getting back on, staying at the back of he bunch and then passing everyone to get back to the spanish armada or the EPO trio as they are known in my house.
I think what really let him down was the TT. He blew the race right there and I have a feeling he thought he could dance away in the mountains. It would be risky for him though winning against Bertie in Spain.
Anyway that,s my conspiracy theory, and yes of all the GC contenders Dan Martin looks the one that could be clean. One day wins are possible but while the old brigade are around a GC win is going a step too far for Dan.

 

[Benotti69]

He looks the real deal to me. He suffers he has bad days and he is seriously talented. If there was anyone with a profile that doesnt shout Doper it's Martin.
There can be no certainties but when it really gets going he loses time and isnt up there with the very best....who have completely different profiles.
Dan Martin doesnt saunter up a hill with no effort at massive wattage so although no science involved he looks to be more trust worthy than a convicted doper or a guy who transforms overnight. At that he looks like climbing hurts, like its meant to, unlike a certain TDF winner who didnt bother to even open his mouth and pretend he was trying.......and his double.

Bernard Kohl suffered in TdF 2008, so much that Kimmage commented on TV that is what it looks like to ride clean!!!

All the faces Voeckler makes must make him the cleanEST!

 

[BYOP88]

Bernard Kohl suffered in TdF 2008, so much that Kimmage commented on TV that is what it looks like to ride clean!!!

All the faces Voeckler makes must make him the cleanEST!

Don't forget Mancebo, he suffered on climbs so he must be clean too.

 

[Pentacycle]

6w/kg to 6.4w/kg is more than 1%.

If you look at the performances across a whole stage of the top ten riders, their performances are much more similar.(in W/kg) Never forget that cycling is an endurance sport.

 

[No_Balls]

Judging from their faces Martin must be Mr 65%.

 

[D-Queued]

Contador was back at his peak form. He looked like he could peddle with one leg and still win. I might be way off but I think Froome underestimated Contador and feigned weakness for the first part of the race.although not very well. Getting dropped then somehow getting back on, staying at the back of he bunch and then passing everyone to get back to the spanish armada or the EPO trio as they are known in my house.
I think what really let him down was the TT. He blew the race right there and I have a feeling he thought he could dance away in the mountains. It would be risky for him though winning against Bertie in Spain.
Anyway that,s my conspiracy theory, and yes of all the GC contenders Dan Martin looks the one that could be clean. One day wins are possible but while the old brigade are around a GC win is going a step too far for Dan.

Kind of like another Spaniard, Indurain, and his friends Bugno and Cappuccino.

Dave.

 

[noddy69]

Judging from their faces Martin must be Mr 65%.

Ha Ha ha, good photo Only Martin is only half a leg of that big baldy cheat.

 

[SeriousSam]

So what does everyone think about Dan?

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Take your pick from

(i) Every pro cyclist dopes.
(ii) You have to dope to win a monument or similar
(iii) It might be possible to win a one day race without doping so not sure
(iv) His profile seems to fit someone who might be riding cleanly. Can't hang in the GTs as the race goes on. Peaks for certain races and does not just cycle away from everyone 20km from the end. Seems more open then most to discussing doping in the press.
(v) I hope he is clean (Even Kimmage seems to think so).
(vi) He is def. clean.

 

[LaFlorecita]

the 2nd option for me

 

[roundabout]

8th best up the last climb.

Best in the last 500 meters.

 

[vavafroome]

Shades of 4 on a glass half full day but mainly 2

 

[Netserk]

He is the least suspicious rider of the big winners.

 

[Dr. Juice]

Kind of like another Spaniard, Indurain, and his friends Bugno and Cappuccino.

Dave.

Bugno surely took EPO but there is a massive difference between him and the others ( especially Chiappucci). Conconi started to work with his first big clients in 89/90. Bugno showed great results in 86-87-88 when he surely wasn't on EPO ( on the market in late 1987, so at the earliest available for 88, but the first bunch of pro riders ...started in 89-90 under supervision of Conconi at the Ferrara institute).

His palmarés:

1986
Giro dell'Appennino
Giro del Friuli
Giro del Piemonte
1987
Giro dell'Appennino
Coppa Sabatini
Gran Premio Città di Camaiore
1 stage of Giro del Trentino
1988
Giro di Calabria
Giro dell'Appennino
Coppa Agostoni
1 stage of Tour de France
1 stage of Tour de Romandie
1989
Tre Valli Varesine
GP di Marostica
1 stage of Giro d'Italia

This was before his explosion in 1990, where he became a great GT rider.
He may have started in 1989, but it doesn't change the fact he had great talent and results in hilly races ( not the big GT mountain stages).
He was one of those who took EPO to improve his already good results and to keep up with the first bunch of riders flying on Edgar.

Plus he was a very humble nice character and one of the first to demand more tests and to introduce the 50% rule to somehow put a limit on the crazyness of unlimited doping, which had gone way too far.

 

[pmcg76]

Bugno surely took EPO but there is a massive difference between him and the others ( especially Chiappucci). Conconi started to work with his first big clients in 89/90. Bugno showed great results in 86-87-88 when he surely wasn't on EPO ( on the market in late 1987, so at the earliest available for 88, but the first bunch of pro riders ...started in 89-90 under supervision of Conconi at the Ferrara institute).

His palmarés:

1986
Giro dell'Appennino
Giro del Friuli
Giro del Piemonte
1987
Giro dell'Appennino
Coppa Sabatini
Gran Premio Città di Camaiore
1 stage of Giro del Trentino
1988
Giro di Calabria
Giro dell'Appennino
Coppa Agostoni
1 stage of Tour de France
1 stage of Tour de Romandie
1989
Tre Valli Varesine
GP di Marostica
1 stage of Giro d'Italia

This was before his explosion in 1990, where he became a great GT rider.
He may have started in 1989, but it doesn't change the fact he had great talent and results in hilly races ( not the big GT mountain stages).
He was one of those who took EPO to improve his already good results and to keep up with the first bunch of riders flying on Edgar.

Plus he was a very humble nice character and one of the first to demand more tests and to introduce the 50% rule to somehow put a limit on the crazyness of unlimited doping, which had gone way too far.

Would love to know who were considered the first bunch of riders flying on EPO if not Bugno, Argentin and Chiappucci.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Would love to know who were considered the first bunch of riders flying on EPO if not Bugno, Argentin and Chiappucci.

PDM as of 1987

 

[Big Doopie]

He is the least suspicious rider of the big winners.

(v) def. clean!!

however, I will accept answers such as the above.

some here can't handle the truth - i.e. dirty berty al dopo fans.

 

[Big Doopie]

PDM as of 1987

pdm 1990. WCs in japan. two unheralded belgians -- both from pdm held off a storming pack including the greatest of all time (lemond) over a hilly course.

 

[TailWindHome]

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy · 33m33 minutes ago
@DanMartin86 the real winner of @lavuelta get @Il_Lombardia . NORMAL !

 

[Big Doopie]

Antoine VAYER ‏@festinaboy · 33m33 minutes ago
@DanMartin86 the real winner of @lavuelta get @Il_Lombardia . NORMAL !

i'm lovin' me some antoine vayer!!!