Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[BYOP88]

JV says so.

Case closed then.

 

[hrotha]

How does Martin's cleanliness have anything to do with opinions on how cleanish the peloton is?

He is clean. Or, he isn't.

I meant your opinion on whether or not he dopes will depend on how cleanish you think the peloton is. Sorry, I assumed most people would be able to insert a few obvious words into the argument.

 

[D-Queued]

I meant your opinion on whether or not he dopes will depend on how cleanish you think the peloton is. Sorry, I assumed most people would be able to insert a few obvious words into the argument.

I know. Just having fun!

Dave.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Not fading in the third week?

A Tweet from Dan Martin today

Dan Martin ‏@DanMartin86

Today i felt really good, then, after abit, bad, then near the end, really bad. 2moros another day. @Ride_Argyle doing great job as always

link

 

[Benotti69]

i love how hiring ex-dopers with the open and stated plan of giving those riders a pressure-free situation where they wouldn't have to dope. and then backing it up by not having a hint of doping issues since the team's inception is now worse than a rider who has been caught several times and chooses over and over to ride for dirty ds's and teams with renowned doping programs. freakin' hysterical.

and agreed the tests don't prove everything. but dan martin a well documented huge talent with genes to spare has had a relatively unremarkable career apart from a few highlights that came to the fore as the blood passport kicked in. he has been outspokenly anti-doping and continues to ride for a team and ds that are proponents of the same. there is no doctor attached to dan martin, etc., and etc., it goes on and on.

on the other hand, you have a serial doper who f#$k$ with his adoring fans by laughing in their face while he comes up with absolute ridiculous lies for why he was caught. A serial doper who then wants you to believe that all his mythical wins were untainted, when we know that to be a direct lie. fact is, not a single person can actually say how "naturally" talented clentadoppucci is. and that is why it is completely possible that a clean super-talented rider like dan martin might be able to stay within 7 mins of a doped minor talent like clentadoppucci after two weeks in a GT that has had almost no ITT...

it really is very simple. lol.

Genes like Stephen Roche's, that known doper?

Axel Merckx really showed his genes in his career!

The anti contador rant proves Dan is clean. Thanks BD.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Axel Merckx really showed his genes in his career!

Yeah but how good was Merckx's mammy? Cause, you know, the important genes are like the Force, they pass on the maternal side, not the paternal.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah but how good was Merckx's mammy? Cause, you know, the important genes are like the Force, they pass on the maternal side, not the paternal.

Pity Beryl Burton didn't have son then, cause he would've won the TdF 7 times at least...........

I have no doubt that Martin is talented. But to ride where he is, near the top of the sport takes more than talent.

 

[Walkman]

Pity Beryl Burton didn't have son then, cause he would've won the TdF 7 times at least...........

I have no doubt that Martin is talented. But to ride where he is, near the top of the sport takes more than talent.

Does it always?

Do you think Per Elofsson doped?

Sven-Åke Lundbäck had a VO2 Max of 94, that's like 10% or more above the average VO2 Max in the peloton (I remember reading something about the average was 80-85). A real outliner. Those guys exist. I my opinion you can be a the top of the game clean.

 

[hrotha]

Axel Merckx had a rather decent career.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Axel Merckx had a rather decent career.

Semi decent. And only after Ferrari did his magic tricks.

 

[D-Queued]

Semi decent. And only after Ferrari did his magic tricks.

I think (hope?) he knew that. But, perhaps he should have added one of these

Dave.

 

[Benotti69]

Does it always?

Do you think Per Elofsson doped?

Sven-Åke Lundbäck had a VO2 Max of 94, that's like 10% or more above the average VO2 Max in the peloton (I remember reading something about the average was 80-85). A real outliner. Those guys exist. I my opinion you can be a the top of the game clean.

Dan Martin apparently has big allergies problems.......otherwise he'd have a Giro, Tdf and Worlds in the same year according to his genes.

If Dan was a huge talent, those type of numbers would be thrown in our faces by Vaughters............

Not sure why i should know cross country skiers doping habits of want to discuss them on a cycling forum!

 

[fmk_RoI]

Dan Martin apparently has big allergies problems.......otherwise he'd have a Giro, Tdf and Worlds in the same year according to his genes.

Uh, he doesn't have Stephen Roche's genes. Laurence Roche never got near those wins, did he?

 

[hrotha]

Semi decent. And only after Ferrari did his magic tricks.

Well duh. It was the 90s after all. Point is, his career is very often dismissed as if he was, dunno, Gorka Beloki. He had a lot more than just his surname going on for him.

 

[Samson777]

Well duh. It was the 90s after all. Point is, his career is very often dismissed as if he was, dunno, Gorka Beloki. He had a lot more than just his surname going on for him.

True, not a Gorka Beloki. Or Valentin Iglinskiy

But of course not world beater either.

Some notable results from wiki:

Giro stage win
Bronze medal olympics road race
Belgian Champion
Stage win Dauphine
2. place San Sebastian
3. Lombardia

 

[Walkman]

Dan Martin apparently has big allergies problems.......otherwise he'd have a Giro, Tdf and Worlds in the same year according to his genes.

I think your logic is a bit flawed here. Having the genetics to get a vo2 max above 90 doesn't guarantee you to attain it easily. It's not like every genetically gifted athlete also got the ability to suffer through all the hard training in order to get to the top.

What is Dan Martin was mentally weaker when younger and it's first now he is able to live up to his potential due to he fact that he is finally training as hard as it takes?

If Dan was a huge talent, those type of numbers would be thrown in our faces by Vaughters.

Yeah, I can buy this argument but at the same time,it does not prove anything.

Not sure why i should know cross country skiers doping habits of want to discuss them on a cycling forum!

Well, doping as a topic, not just regarding cycling, is discussed here from time to time and Elofsson is probably the best athlete out there that is considered to be clean. I was interesting to hear you view.

 

[Benotti69]

I think your logic is a bit flawed here. Having the genetics to get a vo2 max above 90 doesn't guarantee you to attain it easily. It's not like every genetically gifted athlete also got the ability to suffer through all the hard training in order to get to the top.

What is Dan Martin was mentally weaker when younger and it's first now he is able to live up to his potential due to he fact that he is finally training as hard as it takes?

what if Dan Martin is a pro like the rest of the peloton.

Yeah, I can buy this argument but at the same time,it does not prove anything.

It is a forum, not a court of law. Until he tests positive some wont even consider doping. Until the sport shows that is very difficult to dope, why believe anyone rides clean? Dan Martin was so happy Impey got off. That doesn't sound like someone who has a problem with cheating!

Well, doping as a topic, not just regarding cycling, is discussed here from time to time and Elofsson is probably the best athlete out there that is considered to be clean. I was interesting to hear you view.

I know nothing about cross country skiing. Snow sports are not my thing. Not going to waste any time looking into it. Do i think clean guys could beat epo users? Nope.

 

[Benotti69]

Uh, he doesn't have Stephen Roche's genes. Laurence Roche never got near those wins, did he?

Nah Larry was a boneidle w***er, obviously............

 

[fmk_RoI]

Dan Martin was so happy Impey got off. That doesn't sound like someone who has a problem with cheating!

That - what you've said - sounds like someone who believes everyone is doping.

Fortunately, not everyone lives at the extremes of everyone's doping/everyone's not doping.

 

[Benotti69]

That - what you've said - sounds like someone who believes everyone is doping.

Fortunately, not everyone lives at the extremes of everyone's doping/everyone's not doping.

If Dan Martin is clean then he is one of the tops in the sport. I dont believe Garmin are a clean team. JV is too much of a business man to take a moral road over a business one. Sport is a business and in order to succeed you need to gain as much advantage over your competitors as possible without going bankrupt. Hence Garmin's internal testing that IMO is to avoid positives.

Most if not all riders in the sport live at the extreme and that is what we are posting about.

 

[Benotti69]

The Brits defend Sky, Wiggins, Kennaugh, Thomas...etc too many Celts defend Martin forgetting he competes in a sport known for doping and we know the sport has not changed its anti doping regime.

If Dan Martin wants to be considered clean he needs to do more than wear a bikepure bracelet.

Dan Martin recently talked on offtheball and what i heard was a guy selling a clean sport, new generation, doping left with Armstrong blah blah blah......

Sadly that is the BS we hear far too often.

 

[No_Balls]

Wait?! Is it the same Dan Martin who is related to Omertá-upholder Stephen Roche?

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/dan-martin-pours-cold-water-on-family-feud-with-stephen-roche

Yeah. Guy must be trusted

 

[fmk_RoI]

The Brits defend Sky, Wiggins, Kennaugh, Thomas...etc too many Celts defend Martin forgetting he competes in a sport known for doping and we know the sport has not changed its anti doping regime.

Learn the difference between someone defending Dan Martin and someone criticising you.

 

[grizzlee]

If Dan Martin wants to be considered clean he needs to do more than wear a bikepure bracelet.

OK Benotti seems that you seem to think you have all the answers when it comes to Garmin, lets here it, what does Dan have to do more?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Wait?! Is it the same Dan Martin who is related to Omertá-upholder Stephen Roche?

The sins of the uncle shall be now pass to the nephew?

Look, everyone knows he's dirty as sin. His cousin rides for Riis and is about to ride for Sky, where his compatriot is already embedded. And he rides a bike.