Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[Benotti69]

What teams should he have ridden for?

True

10chara.......

 

[Benotti69]

Not really much clear cut going on here....Because he can win a couple of one day races and year after year get further into three week races he is def doping.

My opinion , If he was Definately doping his rise would not be so gradual. He would be a much better TTer and top 3 minimum grand tour by now.

We can point to power outputs, sharp rises in form, really un natural performances, no dips over three weeks etc for the Contador, valverde Froome's Armstrongs. We can point to the fact they can power any TT and win easy on the climbs.

Dan Martin doesn't do this, I'm not stating 100% faith but I expect more from the clinic if its going to point fingers.

He won a couple of monuments, not to be sniffed at and nearly won another.

Garmin dont do the massive jump in performance.... They dont spend half a mill a year on internal testing to have spikes on riders performances, although there is a machine somewhere that allows for spikes in GTs due to a calibration error, but that calibration error is only for the 3rd week

 

[DirtyWorks]

Not really much clear cut going on here....Because he can win a couple of one day races and year after year get further into three week races he is def doping.

My opinion , If he was Definately doping his rise would not be so gradual. He would be a much better TTer and top 3 minimum grand tour by now.

We can point to power outputs, sharp rises in form, really un natural performances, no dips over three weeks etc for the Contador, valverde Froome's Armstrongs. We can point to the fact they can power any TT and win easy on the climbs.

Dan Martin doesn't do this, I'm not stating 100% faith but I expect more from the clinic if its going to point fingers.

This is a good summary for me.

Between GrandPappy Horner and Froome and the way Kreuziger was effectively fired by the UCI the problem is the UCI does such a poor job with anti-doping that it gives plenty of room for uncertainty.

 

[Big Doopie]

LOL EPO use came way before that, LOL.

way before? as in the whole peloton? like, what, 1962? 1937?

your ignorance of all things cycling is all the more remarkable considering your willingness to share 12,000+ posts in a cycling forum.

 

[Big Doopie]

LOL EPO use came way before that, LOL.

in other words. according to you. then delion beat a peloton of epo-driven dopers to win lombardy in 1990. and then never said a word about it, or complained about it.

so a talented rider can, in fact, according to you, win a monument clean while competing against totally doped to the max on epo (with no test) pro riders. Even I don't go that far!

you dooooooo realize that in that one sentence you, yourself, have rebutted every single one of your own points? you dooooooo realize that don't you?

rhetorical question.

Next!

 

[Benotti69]

in other words. according to you. then delion beat a peloton of epo-driven dopers to win lombardy in 1990. and then never said a word about it, or complained about it.

so a talented rider can, in fact, according to you, win a monument clean while competing against totally doped to the max on epo (with no test) pro riders. Even I don't go that far!

you dooooooo realize that in that one sentence you, yourself, have rebutted every single one of your own points? you dooooooo realize that don't you?

rhetorical question.

Next!

LOL

Sooooooooooo Martin has the same ability as Delion! Could've foooooooooooooooled me.

I dont think a clean Dan Martin can win against modern dopers.

That is my opinion. Obviously it is not credible as it gets no responses

 

[Benotti69]

way before? as in the whole peloton? like, what, 1962? 1937?

your ignorance of all things cycling is all the more remarkable considering your willingness to share 12,000+ posts in a cycling forum.

your insults and posts add nothing to this discussion. hold a candle for Martin's cleanliness if you so wish, i wont. Garmin run by a doper, full of dopers, used doping doctors, doping DSs......yeah of course they are clean winning Monuments and a GT on bread and water.....of course they can......

 

[Hugh Januss]

True

10chara.......

Noting that a particular rider has been associated for most of his career with teams where doping is rampant probably only proves that doping is rampant in pro cycling.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Uh, the epo charged riders Delion beat in 1990 weren't on anywhere near the same level of juice when he was ridden out of the sport a few years later, at the ripe old age of 29.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

your insults and posts add nothing to this discussion. hold a candle for Martin's cleanliness if you so wish, i wont. Garmin run by a doper, full of dopers, used doping doctors, doping DSs......yeah of course they are clean winning Monuments and a GT on bread and water.....of course they can......

While Garmin doesn't share a lot of power files publicly, they do share quite a bit of information with Vettoo and Veloclinic...and deserve some credit for that.

 

[lllludo]

Uh, the epo charged riders Delion beat in 1990 weren't on anywhere near the same level of juice when he was ridden out of the sport a few years later, at the ripe old age of 29.

I agree: in 1990 very few riders had access to EPO and not on the same level as the Gewiss riders and co a few years later.
In the 1990 Giro di Lombardia guys like Kelly or Bugno, from teams known as early EPO adopters, might have been on EPO but for them it was the end of a very long season and they had been trapped by a 5 man breakaway including Delion.
I doubt all 5 guys (Richard, Echave, Millar, Mottet or even Delion) were 100% clean and were not using corticos but they were unlikely to have used blood doping.

Having said that I don't know if Dan Martin is blood-doping or not.
I just know that in 2014 Dan won Lombardia, he was leading another 250km hilly race named LBL before his fall 500m from the finish line.
He finished 2nd of Fleche Wallonne 3 days before equaling the climbing record (2011 Gilbert).
Today he finished the season with 53" long sprint to win a MTF in Beijing.

As it is Dan Martin is probably the most resistant and the best puncher in the world He's the equivalent of Valverde if not superior

 

[trevim]

One thing is certain, Beijing is a dirty race. Don't know about Martin though.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Just watched that finish at Beijing.

Had me flashing back to which ever race it was JTL won.

 

[the sceptic]

"I had that crash towards the end and the antibiotics really took it out of me. I really felt that in the two weeks after the race, when I was just a shell," he recalls. "It's been overshadowed a bit in the outside world because I'm the only one who knows what I went through in that last week, and that's why it gives me an incredible amount of satisfaction."

So I take it if he wasnt sick he would have finished higher?

 

[Ruudz0r]

So I take it if he wasnt sick he would have finished higher?

Where is this quote from? Can you give me the link, Thanks in advance!

 

[the sceptic]

Here you go.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-dan-martin-interview-lessons-in-success

 

[Ruudz0r]

Here you go.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-dan-martin-interview-lessons-in-success

Thanks I do not often check the front page of CN, just the forums

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dan-martin-im-humbled-that-people-have-confidence-in-me

People make assumptions very quickly but for us as riders you have to believe that the testing is working and that everybody is clean now," Martin said. "The number of positives is obviously way down on before and when guys do go positive it's not after elaborate, incredible performances. It makes me humble that people have this 100 per cent confidence in me, but I don't think you can say that [I'm the best of the clean riders]. It's each rider himself who knows for sure."

lolz.. Benotti will have a field day with this

 

[burning]

I feel sorry for people who got banned with no positive tests, especially chicken.

 

[sniper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dan-martin-im-humbled-that-people-have-confidence-in-me

lolz.. Benotti will have a field day with this

Zorzoli just got his corrupt *** outed by USADA, but Dan thinks the testing is working.
Also love the reasoning that it's better now than before because "when guys do go positive it's not after elaborate, incredible performances."
And let's collectively forget about all the enablers and ex-dopers still running the sport, right Dan...

honestly, i've heard convicted dopers sound more convincing than Dan.

 

[Nick C.]

I know the timing of event to pop is over a year apart but Iglinsky dropping Purito on a climb in LBL and then storming past Nibali was pretty astonishing to me.

 

[sniper]

I know the timing of event to pop is over a year apart but Iglinsky dropping Purito on a climb in LBL and then storming past Nibali was pretty astonishing to me.

there's a lot wrong with that statement from Dan, or at least he should specify wtf he's talking about.
Menchov, Tiernan-Locke, Barredo, Iglinsky, KReuziger, all not impressive enough? Or not recent enough?

 

[Benotti69]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dan-martin-im-humbled-that-people-have-confidence-in-me


lolz.. Benotti will have a field day with this

What's to do, Dan says it so well. Dopers dont get caught after 'performances'! WTF. Straight out Stephen Roche's book of stupid comments, when asked to comment about contents of Rough Ride he said something like I was at the front of the peloton so never saw what was going on at the back, meaning only those with no talent doped!!!hahaha

PMcG will be along to defend Dan 'Doper' Martin. Garmin clean talking team. Sure....

 

[Digger]

Garmin riders are like Scientologists - it's a cult - the stuff they come out with is amazing.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Garmin riders are like Scientologists - it's a cult - the stuff they come out with is amazing.

"Jonathan Vaughters has always thought out of the box when it comes to the business of recruiting for his teams. In the spring of 2007, two Irishmen entered [sic] his radar- Nicolas Roche and Daniel Martin. The bloodline was fascinating...

...Mitochindria, which is the energy factory of the body,..."

What is it with the Irish and their doping apologists? Was this Walsh, Stokes or Kimmage?