Danilo is caught.

[issoisso]

Today was supposed to have been the day Lampre would announce the signing of Di Luca to a 2 year contract at a salary of 1.5 million euros/season.

whoopsie Lampre...

EDIT: I wonder what Cunego has to say about that

 

[Skip Madness]

EDIT: I wonder what Cunego has to say about that

 

[craig1985]

I know di Luca is suspended pending a B-sample but could LPR Brakes legally rip up di Luca's contract?

 

[issoisso]

I know di Luca is suspended pending a B-sample but could LPR Brakes legally rip up di Luca's contract?

Only if there is a clause in the contract predicting this situation. Which there is in most contracts.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I had actually forgotten this! (Reported 14th July) ....

Di Luca and McQuaid deny reports of investigation

Danilo Di Luca and the International Cycling Union (UCI) have denied claims made on Monday that the Italian is being investigated under the UCI's biological passport program.

Spanish sports daily AS reported that the UCI was investigating results of doping tests undertaken by Di Luca at May's Giro d'Italia that did not match data complied as part of the rider's biological passport.

Di Luca, a winner of two stages and second overall at this year's Giro, said he was unaware of any investigation taking place. The Italian told Cyclingnews that he had been in contact with the UCI over the matter and that they had confirmed to him that there were no problems with his test results from the Giro.

President of the UCI, Pat McQuaid, denied on Monday afternoon that the sports governing body, as far as he was aware, was placing Di Luca under any scrutiny.

Di Luca has instructed his lawyers to contact AS in relation to their allegations.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You have to wait! It took almost 2 months to get DiLuca and he was targeted. So the logic is: Astana is targeted, some spanish riders are. So i guess Contador (riding the same style as DiLuca at the giro) and some kind of Astarloza, Sanchez Gil will be caught. So we all here really have to hope Epo-Lance does not finish 2nd in CG.

I think the Labors did a very good job since last year. I dont think they can cover up Contador (for example).

Its sad, isnt it?

 

[unsheath]

Nice call Foxy. Who's up on the chopping blocks next u reckon???

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Nice call Foxy. Who's up on the chopping blocks next u reckon???

Contador, as i wrote in the same post.

The only way out for him (not to be positiv) is to be already on the I-am-God-Level like Armstrong. Then of course he will be covered up by the corrupt UCI (like Lance was with the positiv cortison test in the 99-TdF). If so, we all will see Contador winning the next 7 TdF (if he stays healthy).

 

[scribe]

hope Contador isn't caught as if the best stage racer in the world dopes where does that leave the sport.

In absolute need to make sure the bikers all run clean and on an even and sporting playing field.

 

[El Imbatido]

I really dont think the UCI and ASO and well everyone wants to go through a 2006 debacle again, so i think Contador is safe. They might possibly get someone outside the top ten again (Astarloza was 11th??) but i reakon the top ten are safe. Well thats my 2 cents anyhow.

 

[sherer]

Contador, as i wrote in the same post.

The only way out for him (not to be positiv) is to be already on the I-am-God-Level like Armstrong. Then of course he will be covered up by the corrupt UCI (like Lance was with the positiv cortison test in the 99-TdF). If so, we all will see Contador winning the next 7 TdF (if he stays healthy).

Never heard of that cover up from the UCI before any links to any stories about that one ?

What I would like to see is quicker results. Sometimes they come out a few months afterwards and sometimes it is straight away.

Astaloza was tested before the tour but still got to start and finish the tour.

Why not just have monthly testing for the top 15 riders on the UCI rankings. If you are tested every month then surely that would prevent you from doping in the first place

 

[poupou]

Why not just have monthly testing for the top 15 riders on the UCI rankings. If you are tested every month then surely that would prevent you from doping in the first place

A monthly testing is inefficient! Even a daily testing is inefficient with undetectable drugs and blood transfusion.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

In 1999, Le Monde reveals that Armstrong had corticoïds (triamcinolone acétonide) traces on a test (sample taken July 4th). UCI came forward and told that he had a medical notice allowing him to do so and that the traces were "minimal" (it has been argued the test was below the "positive level", I'm not sure you can find the exact result somewhere though).

You're supposed to inform the tester that you are under medication. It was not done, as the medical column specifies "nothing". Armstrong also went on the record just before [and not several days, sorry for the mistake] the results were known that he had no medication since 1996 (link) (on the 19th of July).

After the positive test, his stance is that he used a cream (w/ corticoïds) because his selle was painful (more or less). Judging from this Andreu diary, the UCI backing of Armstrong game on the 21th of July. The Le Monde article on the positive dates to their July 20 edition [although it is not clear whether it's 19 or 20, from articles I saw through Google. le Monde is an afternoon newspaper as well].

It is pretty clear in the chronology that the medical certificate was presented well after the fact. As such there is no warranty that it was not produced retrospectively as well (La Confidential/FLTL has at least one testimony about this).

This is not supposed to be authorized: as such the UCI did indeed bend the rules to cover Armstrong. It is not a "cover up" as the dog eating the results and no one talking about it though.

EDIT
The corticoïds test was the TdF 1999 surprise. It has been submitted and approved just before the beginning of the race.

 

[sherer]

thanks for the info, will check out the link. I always wondered how much performance you could get out of a cream, like the Patrick Sinzkewitz case the other year with testosterone in a cream, can't really see that giving you much of a gain but then again I am no expert

 

[BigBoat]

Not suprising, but I don't know what the guy is doing on CERA.

The guys using CERA were likely not doping with it and the amount they take is extremely tiny with an IV drip. They blood dope with their own blood and take tiny amounts of epo to keep their "off score" normal (rectics.)

Now I would think they would just micro-dose Dynepo. Ah nevermind

 

[krebs303]

Third suspicious sample for Di Luca?
By:
Shane Stokes
Published:
August 5, 18:05,
Updated:
August 5, 18:30

Danilo Di Luca (LPR Brakes)

Danilo Di Luca (LPR Brakes)

‘B’ sample analysis done, being verified in Vienna and Montreal

Italian rider Danilo Di Luca continues to deny using CERA, but it has emerged that a third sample taken from the rider during this year’s Giro has aroused suspicions that he used the substance. Two of Di Luca's Giro samples were declared to be positive for CERA last week.

The third test concerned was taken on May 31st, the day of the final time trial, and was analysed in the Chatenay Malabry laboratory in Paris. According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, the lab has not confirmed the third result as an analytical positive. It has, however, finished its analyses of the B samples and have send them to Vienna and Montreal for confirmation.



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/third-suspicious-sample-for-di-luca

 

[md2020]

How about this Twitter from a few hours ago?

Danilo DiLuca --- Even if the results of the counter-analysis are positive, I will continue with my battle as regards the methods used...

followed by:

Alessandro Petacchi --- no no no, Di Luca, no ...

 

[Mont Ventoux]

Agree, and it was NOT a popular view to take during the Giro, LOL. Lots of fanboys around.

The thing is that a jacked di Luca was clearly killing himself in his endless attacks (the guy looked like he was about to "explode"/have a coronary or stroke each time), just burying himself, and it looked oh too easy for a clean Menchov to shut each one down.

Hyperbole here, but Menchov's breathing looked way too easy compared with some other top guys (eg. Sastre), who look like hootie and the blowfish when they are climbing (hyperventilating cheeks). He seemed to do all his breathing at the finish line.

"Deep-diving", anaerobic fish, ie. one with weirdly highly oxygenated blood--that's what I thought.

The Giro made for some very exciting racing. Never a boring moment.
But seeing a blood thirsty Killer DiLuca going after Menchov day in day out, and inturn viewing an unbeatable Menchov defend made for some amazing riding and thought provoking riding.
But this now becomes even more incredible.
How does Menchov fend off a juiced Killer Di Luca AND escape the doping POLIZIA???
This does not compute, but I can't see the GIRO boys letting the winner go down in flames.
My money is on lesser riders getting caught in the "cross-winds" of the retests.
Hey Menchov, you should buy a Lottery ticket, chances are your "good luck" will spill right over.

 

[Martin]

Hey Menchov, you should buy a Lottery ticket, chances are your "good luck" will spill right over.

I really dont understand what everyone has against Menchov. Yea he won. Is there any problem until any sample is positive (or was there any - i dont know about it)? What about the other winners then?

Yea, Contador is alien, Armstrong is all time star and Cancellaras time trial skills are just unbeatable. I know.

 

[avanti]

How about this Twitter from a few hours ago?

Danilo DiLuca --- Even if the results of the counter-analysis are positive, I will continue with my battle as regards the methods used...
.............................. ...

From today's cyclingnews.com:
He gave a total of five blood and 12 urine samples during the three-week Giro d'Italia.

What I do not understand is why only two of these samples were positive. Is there a line between positive and negative?

I notice spectators pouring liquids on racers as they climb - what prevents sabotage here (heck if someone is willing to shoot at the pros why not pour drugs on them?)

I am suspicious of drug testing protocols - at least send the samples to two independant labs.

 

[patswana]

From today's cyclingnews.com:
He gave a total of five blood and 12 urine samples during the three-week Giro d'Italia.

What I do not understand is why only two of these samples were positive. Is there a line between positive and negative?

I notice spectators pouring liquids on racers as they climb - what prevents sabotage here (heck if someone is willing to shoot at the pros why not pour drugs on them?)

I am suspicious of drug testing protocols - at least send the samples to two independant labs.

Particularly if you are taking something that is tested for like CERA or regular Epo, then you have to take at a dose that is too low to be detected (e.g. micro-dosing with Epo each day). Thus, ideally you will be just under the limit of detection. But occasionally you might get that slightly wrong.

When you go to watch a race, where are you going to buy CERA from to pour over a rider? You do realise that it is not absorbed through the skin or through the gut? So even if they drank a whole lot of CERA, they would never test positive for it from that. Pro sports of all types are rife with PEDs and you are suspicious of the testing????????

 

[issoisso]

Predictably, the Vienna lab's results are the same as the ones from Châtenay-Malabry: the B sample is positive.

 

[Willy Voet]

From today's cyclingnews.com:
He gave a total of five blood and 12 urine samples during the three-week Giro d'Italia.

What I do not understand is why only two of these samples were positive. Is there a line between positive and negative?

I am suspicious of drug testing protocols - at least send the samples to two independant labs.

With any test, there is a certain amount of background and/or noise.

Think about dawn. When is the sun "up"? When it's light enough to see outside? Or when you "see" the sun (that's subject to interpretation as the sun's diameter changes with elevation).

They have to set a limit, then they stick with it. Even it a sample tests relatively high, they make a limit where it's absolutely certain.

Microdosers try to stay below that limit, but occasionally screw up. If they take EPO or CERA and have blood withdrawn, then reinject...the blood might be tainted just enough to raise suspicions, but not draw a conclusive positive.

 

[sherer]

Ricco said something about this tests in the Tour. He was targeted and he only had two positive tests when they all should have been positive. I don't think the UCI \ WADA etc has even followed up on that to work out why and tighten the net

 

[craig1985]

LPR Brakes fires Di Luca over doping charges - Team and sponsors plan to sue Di Luca for damages