Dauphine Route leaked

[MatParker117]

Contador is aiming to peak for the tour. Not the dauphine. For his own good he should not be too good in this race.

Considering how Purito does and how Evans has recently looked in time trials 75% should be enough for both Contador and Froome.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Basically I think your right that there is at best a minute between Contador, Froome, Purito and maybe Evans the likely GC contenders this year in the mountains. However I believe that if Alberto and Froome go into the Dauphine at the peak of their powers there is a very good chance that they both put three minutes plus in the other two in the time trial.

That's my point basically, the race will be completely decided in the tt, btw I don't think Alberto will do that well, he isn't a great tter anymore.

 

[Miburo]

Considering how Purito does and how Evans has recently looked in time trials 75% should be enough for both Contador and Froome.

Yeah right

 

[The Hitch]

of course Froome will be superb though, crushing everyone, logic doesnt apply to sky riders

No it doesn't.

 

[Miburo]

That's my point basically, the race will be completely decided in the tt, btw I don't think Alberto will do that well, he isn't a great tter anymore.

Yea Contador sucks.

I mean he was bad in freaking january and his ITT in the T-A was a bit below expectations. He really sucks. What did he do in 2012?

He was only second in the ITT of the vuelta after his return, yea he's not great anymore. Average it is

 

[LaFlorecita]

If he was then he would have won the dauphine. Contador not being able to drop Evans in the dauphine is not really an indication of a very good form, is it?

At least for the likes of Contador. And yes he tried to drop Evans in the last stage but he wasn't good enough.

As hitch said Alberto needs to be bad in dauphiné though that were the years he was still a top class tter so he still did well in the tt.

 

[Miburo]

No it doesn't.

That's ridiculous, did you see the stage of tuesday? That's obvious prove that sky is no different

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a set-up

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yea Contador sucks.

I mean he was bad in freaking january and his ITT in the T-A was a bit below expectations. He really sucks. What did he do in 2012?

He was only second in the ITT of the vuelta after his return, yea he's not great anymore. Average it is

The tt in la Vuelta wasn't good, he should've won that one

 

[Miburo]

As hitch said Alberto needs to be bad in dauphiné though that were the years he was still a top class tter so he still did well in the tt.

Of course he needs to be kinda meh in the dauphine, that's the only race where he's always to be that.

My original point was that the dauphine isn't always decided in the ITT, 08 and 09 are prove of that but the last few years, it did and like i stated earlier, you're correct about that

 

[Miburo]

The tt in la Vuelta wasn't good, he should've won that one

He came just back in competition, can you give the man some slack?

 

[MatParker117]

The tt in la Vuelta wasn't good, he should've won that one

Freddie surprised a lot of people with his time in that one if I remember correctly.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Freddie surprised a lot of people with his time in that one if I remember correctly.

nah, it was a perfect TT for Kessiakoff. Gained lots of time on the descent with courageous racing.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He came just back in competition, can you give the man some slack?

What about the worlds tt? And the tts in San Luis and T-A. Especially the last two were perfect for him.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

And Valverde isn't a horrible tter. So quite a lot I'd say.

1'31 in the TT. You know what that meant? Valverde attacked early on Ventoux and gave us more than 3km of racing at the top of the climb. Because the TTers who could climb had the advantage over the climbers who could TT, and there were REAL mountain stages where the climbers could try to gain that time back, so they did.

It's true that the 2010-12 Dauphinés were won mostly in the time trial... but that's because, and this is important, the rest of the route sucked.

If you make the rest of the race hard enough that the climbers can win their time back, then you can have a 40k time trial. Hell, if your time trial is too short, the climbers can just "Purito" their way into riding tempo until attacking for the last 2km. That's all well and good, but you have to get it right. The Dauphiné the last few years has had some weak mountain stages (2012 being particularly bad) allied to long ITTs. If you make the ITT too long and the mountain stages too easy, the climbers will be too far down in the GC to make a difference (see: Paris-Nice 2011, Dauphiné 2012). If the ITT isn't long enough, however, then the mountains will be the only place to win and lose times, and it will result in cagey, defensive mountain racing where all the action is in the last few kilometres (see: Giro 2012).

The Dauphiné should always have three mountain stages, with two summit finishes, one easier than the other. These stages should be multiple climbs. Preferably, the harder MTF should come first, giving the riders a chance on a multi-climb stage to make a last ditch attack on penultimate mountains or long range moves. The ITT should be of a length that it ensures the climbers have enough deficit to ensure attacking racing, but not so long that it renders them an irrelevance.

The Dauphiné takes place in the freaking Alps. If, with three mountain stages in the freaking Alps, you can't find enough ways to make it difficult that you can't balance out against 40km of ITT, you either can't read a map or you have been working for the ASO for three years.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Okay I don't agree but whatever. Attacks from over 2 km out are not possible anymore in mountain stages.

 

[Netserk]

Okay I don't agree but whatever. Attacks from over 2 km out are not possible anymore in mountain stages.

What was Fuente De? Gardeccia? Alpe '11?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

What was Fuente De? Gardeccia? Alpe '11?

None of them faced the Sky train, which is still being underestimated even by LS.

 

[Netserk]

None of them faced the Sky train, which is still being underestimated even by LS.

I'd like to see them try to control a stage like Gardeccia

Or Crostis :drool:

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I'd like to see them try to control a stage like Gardeccia

Or Crostis :drool:

Granted, I hold some hope for the Giro this year. Not because of any individual stage, but because overall action will very difficult to control for the entire race.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What was Fuente De? Gardeccia? Alpe '11?

What D&C said, no sky train involved. And most of those attacks are like win or die trying anyway, so it won't happen more than once. Really, just accept the fact sky will be unbeatable in 95% of the stage races they target, just accept that we will see every attack neutralized in a min or 2. It's what I do and at least I won't have to face extreme disappointment each time

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'd like to see them try to control a stage like Gardeccia

Or Crostis :drool:

What happened during this gardeccia stage

 

[Netserk]

What happened during this gardeccia stage

You saw it. Giro '11 stage 15. Won by Nieve. Everyone wad isolated with 50km to go. It was EPIC _O_

 

[Dazed and Confused]

You saw it. Giro '11 stage 15. Won by Nieve. Everyone wad isolated with 50km to go. It was EPIC _O_

wth little Saxo bank trying to control action.

With Sky that stage would have been a 1-3km sprint to the line imo.

 

[Netserk]

Sky leader would be alone after/on Fedaia.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You saw it. Giro '11 stage 15. Won by Nieve. Everyone wad isolated with 50km to go. It was EPIC _O_

I didn't see it. I missed everything from stage 12 to stage 19.