Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[B_Ugli]

Its worth watching this clip from back in January

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/38573615

I simply cant see how his position remains tenable in any way shape or form. His whole management of this affair seems to be bordering on delusional.

1. The narrative around the TUE for Wiggins was based upon the narrative of a 1 off, hayfever, exceptional circumstances, specialist advice yada yada yada.
*We now know that BC/SKY had a stockpile of said Corticosteroid at Manchester, presumably for GC riders to drop kilos of weight in advance/in between stage races, so clearly not a 1 off, and on face value this probably involves the GC 'core' of the team*

2. Sapsteads account of Dr Freeman breaking team rules by not following their medical upload/dropbox protocol.
*Brailsfords numerous accounts of running a tight ship & his meetings/supervision of medical staff don't concur with what Sapstead's description of Freeman being a rule breaker. Surely Brailsford would have had some kind of disciplinary with Freeman for breaking said rules? How was they guy allowed to break those rules for a number of years before the alleged theft of his laptop? Moreover how was he allowed to continue working for BC/Sky up until recently.

No doubt point (2) above will be the thrust of the Select Committee next line of questioning if they pull Brailsford back.

Will be interesting to see how much Brailsford pleads ignorance of 'the medical department' if he is questioned about it again!!

At what point does one of these individuals he has thrown under the buss finally fess up and say "Dave knew everything".

 

[King Boonen]

I've started a new thread specifically for the CMS discussion as it's split across lots at the moment. It's here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=32547

 

[Robert5091]

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Will be interesting to see how much Brailsford pleads ignorance of 'the medical department' if he is questioned about it again!!
At what point does one of these individuals he has thrown under the buss finally fess up and say "Dave knew everything".

With HSBC and Murdoch's News Corp investments at stake, I'd say more people will become amnesic before DB is forced out. Still think DB will "retire" after TdF.

 

[blackcat]

Today's non-event event can be seen here http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/848600f4-b496-434b-90d4-8544753566d8 - starts 14.00 in the UK.

The interview with the doc could be done over Twitter eg
"WTF was in the jiffy?" "prove it!"

Sapstead's quiet and elegant demolition of the whole Team Sky 'marginal gains/attention to detail' schtick and the Manchester velodrome's stockpiling of kenalog was very far from a 'non-event'

is kenalog the same as kenacort?

is gollum still a genius? will he ever go back to character acting in peter jackson adaptations of j r r tolkien?

I never bought into gollum's marginal gains.
i. they were rarely evolutions. but props to fluffy pillows and the hand disinfectant. it is like, gollum got some people in a room for a focus group and asked them for ideas in brain storming sounbites for marginal gains like campers, pillows, disinfectant, liquid diets, weightloss
ii. I figure there was a diseconomy, false economy, they actually invested some time in this BS, without dialling in tangible inputs.
iii. like D-Queued said, marginal gains is not a rounding error on a comprehensive doping program.

gollum never had to be a genius when he was so good looking. And he never needed those youth and vanity peptides that make his skin look like a 15yo's dermis. he is so good looking, better looking than justin trudeau and more youthful than justin bieber.

can someone pls confirm if he is married to Fran Millar? and is Fran Millar's royal driving licence, Mrs Fran Millar-Brailsford, or Mrs Fran Brailsford-Millar, or Mrs Fran Brailsford, or, Lady Brailsford, or Lady Brailsford-Millar, or Lady Millar-Brailsford, or just Mrs Fran Brailsford or Mrs Fran Millar?

#misogyny

 

[Robert5091]

The reason that I believed it to be a "non-event" was the absence of the doc. We still don't know what was in the jiffy and probably never will (with 100% certainty).
That UKAD said what the doc would have said - "we have no records" "I'm not sure" "My laptop was stolen" etc does not help at lot in the long run. Sure he'll take the s**t and there's more smoke, but who's going to point to the flames/smoking gun?

 

[sniper]

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

lipotropin is the best weight loss peptide. i dont think it is a peptide, its a hormone.

the catabolic steroids are not the weightloss elixir i tell ya

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

lipotropin is the best weight loss peptide. i dont think it is a peptide, its a hormone.

the catabolic steroids are not the weightloss elixir i tell ya

The two are not mutually exclusive, something can be either one, the other or both. Lipotropin is a polypeptide.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

I love it when Brailsford gets selective amnesia, he most certainly has been using it. If the top dog is doing for looks alone then you can guarantee most of the team is abusing cortisone. What freakshow at Sky.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

lipotropin is the best weight loss peptide. i dont think it is a peptide, its a hormone.

the catabolic steroids are not the weightloss elixir i tell ya

The two are not mutually exclusive, something can be either one, the other or both. Lipotropin is a polypeptide.

thnx for the info KB

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

lipotropin is the best weight loss peptide. i dont think it is a peptide, its a hormone.

the catabolic steroids are not the weightloss elixir i tell ya

The two are not mutually exclusive, something can be either one, the other or both. Lipotropin is a polypeptide.

thnx for the info KB

No worries, good to see you posting again.

 

[Dan2016]

Re: Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

I love it when Brailsford gets selective amnesia, he most certainly has been using it. If the top dog is doing for looks alone then you can guarantee most of the team is abusing cortisone. What freakshow at Sky.

That's pretty interesting. I wonder what the source for the doc giving the roids to people outside the team. Brailsford looks almost as lean as the riders, almost. Are they really all daft enough to be popping this stuff like sweeties? It's pretty dangerous to health. Madness.
I recently watched an old stage from the TDF early 90's and it's noticeable how skinny Sky riders look in comparison, and it's not like riders in the 90's weren't popping roids too. The artificially skinny powerful rider seems to be the new template. I wonder what the long term health effects will be. On an empathetic level I hope these young guys don't end up with f##ked health when they're older.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

Do we believe this? Or is a convenient way to dump everything on Freeman and explain away the massive stockpile of triamcinolone they built up...

 

[Dan2016]

Good point. Hadn't considered that side. Would be a good bit of spin wouldn't it.
The guy at The Mail (Lawton is it?) has played the game well so far, I hope he thinks tactically and makes sure he doesn't get played now by a very experienced spin-team employed by Sky.

 

[King Boonen]

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Good point. Hadn't considered that side. Would be a good bit of spin wouldn't it.
The guy at The Mail (Lawton is it?) has played the game well so far, I hope he thinks tactically and makes sure he doesn't get played now by a very experienced spin-team employed by Sky.

It would be slightly fortuitous. I can see the statement now:

"We did everything by the book, applied for and got the required TUEs and asked the doctors to sort out the treatment, but this one rogue doctor took it upon himself to order far more medication than was required and treat friends and work colleagues with it. He's admitted to treating X number of people Y times and look, that amounts to exactly the amount of triamcinolone ordered on top of what was needed for the TUEs..."

 

[Dan2016]

Re: Re:

Good point. Hadn't considered that side. Would be a good bit of spin wouldn't it.
The guy at The Mail (Lawton is it?) has played the game well so far, I hope he thinks tactically and makes sure he doesn't get played now by a very experienced spin-team employed by Sky.

It would be slightly fortuitous. I can see the statement now:

"We did everything by the book, applied for and got the required TUEs and asked the doctors to sort out the treatment, but this one rogue doctor took it upon himself to order far more medication than was required and treat friends and work colleagues with it. He's admitted to treating X number of people Y times and look, that amounts to exactly the amount of triamcinolone ordered on top of what was needed for the TUEs..."

Yip, looks like that's the way they might be going with this. Freeman as patsy.
Probably be the cleverest tactic they've used so far. Machiavellian clever, not normal clever. They've employed one of Tony Blairs ex spin-doctors (aka expert lying manipulating bullying bastard) haven't they? Or did I make that up?
Lawton and the other decent journo's need to watch they don't become unwitting messengers of a damage limitation campaign.
And Freeman needs advice on strategy. I can just imagine Brailsford and spinmeister patting him on the back telling him it's all gonna be okay as Wiggins drives the bus towards them.
It's like Shakespeare on Tramadol.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Good point. Hadn't considered that side. Would be a good bit of spin wouldn't it.
The guy at The Mail (Lawton is it?) has played the game well so far, I hope he thinks tactically and makes sure he doesn't get played now by a very experienced spin-team employed by Sky.

It would be slightly fortuitous. I can see the statement now:

"We did everything by the book, applied for and got the required TUEs and asked the doctors to sort out the treatment, but this one rogue doctor took it upon himself to order far more medication than was required and treat friends and work colleagues with it. He's admitted to treating X number of people Y times and look, that amounts to exactly the amount of triamcinolone ordered on top of what was needed for the TUEs..."

Yip, looks like that's the way they might be going with this. Freeman as patsy.
Probably be the cleverest tactic they've used so far. Machiavellian clever, not normal clever. They've employed one of Tony Blairs ex spin-doctors (aka expert lying manipulating bullying bastard) haven't they? Or did I make that up?
Lawton and the other decent journo's need to watch they don't become unwitting messengers of a damage limitation campaign.
And Freeman needs advice on strategy. I can just imagine Brailsford and spinmeister patting him on the back telling him it's all gonna be okay as Wiggins drives the bus towards them.
It's like Shakespeare on Tramadol.

They are using Alistair Campbell and the manner in which Blair and Campbell left Dr. David Kelly to die no doubt they'll hang Freeman.

Word has it, that Freeman has requested a 'in camera' meeting with the CMS due to the nature of his evidence.

 

[thehog]

Sir Dave at his finest :lol:

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://m.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

 

[blackcat]

Sir Dave at his finest :lol:

"The UCI governs this sport, so they need to deliver," said Brailsford, 50.

"Great leaders don't find excuses why they can't do something. Sometimes you've got to get over obstacles and find ways of doing things to get to a new place.

"If you're in charge, you have to have rules and the leadership skills to deliver a credible sport."

Brailsford added Team Sky would "play our role as much as we can".

http://m.bbc.com/sport/cycling/30770269

we play our role as much as we can in lock step with brian cookson and goosestep with hitler stormtroopers and godwin.

cookson and godwin.

 

[GraftPunk]

Cookson and Hitler? That's a weak-chin convention if ever.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Previously, Digger had been talking about Sir Dave "dont even know what kenacort is" Brailsford using steroids to loose weight.
Now this from Freeman:

The doctor at the centre of the British Cycling drugs storm administered controversial medication not just to riders but to staff, family and friends, Sportsmail understands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-4276500/Cycling-doctor-gave-friends-family-banned-steroid.html

Do we believe this? Or is a convenient way to dump everything on Freeman and explain away the massive stockpile of triamcinolone they built up...

Kenacort is more than likely one a cocktail of PEDs. Quite possible some vein staff used it, Brailsford for example, but cannot imagine staff members taking injections of Kenacort, for what reason. Are BC/Sky staff junkies?

Trying to distance doping from riders.

 

[sniper]

That's possible.
I figured it could also be Freeman sending out a warn signal "If you throw me under the bus, it won't be pretty". The fact he has all the dirt on staff and riders is his get out of jail card, and maybe even his future meal ticket.

Looking at Cope during the hearing, I got the sense he's getting paid really good money to shut up and play dumb. He seemed ok with having to play the role of buffoon.
50k is nothing for somebody like Brailsford or wiggins. It's a lot for a simple Jack like Cope.

 

[GraftPunk]

Scapegoat found, and distancing from the present riders seems to be obvious. I have a feeling a couple of people might be squealing like pigs before it's over though.

 

[GraftPunk]

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That's possible.
I figured it could also be Freeman sending out a warn signal "If you throw me under the bus, it won't be pretty". The fact he has all the dirt on staff and riders is his get out of jail card, and maybe even his future meal ticket.

Looking at Cope during the hearing, I got the sense he's getting paid really good money to shut up and play dumb. He seemed ok with having to play the role of buffoon.
50k is nothing for somebody like Brailsford or wiggins. It's a lot for a simple Jack like Cope.

He did get a bit full *** during testimony, barely short of saying he has a good brain...

 

[thehog]

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That's possible.
I figured it could also be Freeman sending out a warn signal "If you throw me under the bus, it won't be pretty". The fact he has all the dirt on staff and riders is his get out of jail card, and maybe even his future meal ticket.

Looking at Cope during the hearing, I got the sense he's getting paid really good money to shut up and play dumb. He seemed ok with having to play the role of buffoon.
50k is nothing for somebody like Brailsford or wiggins. It's a lot for a simple Jack like Cope.

Yeah, he was getting £95k a year for being part-time, an apartment plus unlimited travel expenses which he fiddled. He also got to hang out with dixkhead cyclists which these types of tools get off on. He was a drug user himself at Linda McCartney so the perfect drug mule for Wiggins.