Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[domination]

Re:

Walsh calling Lawton's revelation about Brailsford trying to kill the story is "not so much a game changer, as a game ender."

Also says his info is that Sky will pull it if Brailsford resigns or is forced to quit.

Ah the Daily Mail. The bastion of click bait.

Anybody who gives them the slightest credibility needs their head testing, But then it is the clinic so.....

 

[sniper]

Props to Lawton for not taking the money option unlike Walsh fotherongham, moore and some other fans with typewriters.

 

[Robert5091]

Whoever leaked the "Jiffy bag" story in the first place and why is a good question.

 

[MmeDesgrange]

In the N-acetylcysteine group the VO2 max rose by a statistically significant amount of 7 percent: http://www.ergo-log.com/n-acetylcysteine-is-endurance-sports-supplement.html

 

[JRanton]

Whoever leaked the "Jiffy bag" story in the first place and why is a good question.

Hard to think it wasn't done maliciously. If you were a curious member of Team Sky then surely you'd first ask Brailsford about it before taking your concerns/claims to a Daily Mail journalist.

I've always thought that the most likely explanation is that the substance taken was allowed to be administered out of competition without a TUE (corticosteroid) but not in competition. I mean does anyone seriously believe that Cope was travelling with a banned doping product like EPO or HGH through customs checks? It doesn't make sense.

The fact the substance was administered before midnight on the final day of the Dauphine would mean that it was technically an anti-doping rule violation but given the race was already finished and Wiggins was perhaps six hours or so from being able to take it legitimately suggests to me the person who leaked the info to the DM was doing so maliciously.

 

[sniper]

"maliciously"
lol I guess.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil apparently alters patients heamatology up to 9% in Hct.

Obviously Wiggins/Sky not tripping ABPs(were the even tested?)...........except JTL when in TeamGB colours!

OK, I love to throw crap at Sky but a 9% rise in HCT on Fluimucil? You're gonna need to link that one son, because that's total bull5hit.

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/810936537802219520

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/58/58_855.pdf

Barloworld injected riders with Fluimucil. Froome admitted to Kimmage he got injections of Fluimucil.

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

So what do we have : triamcinolone and fluimucil - both legal ooc and somewhat pushing the very grey areas / "going right to the limit". No great surprise I guess - but can understand why it would be uncomfortable for it to come out.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Whoever leaked the "Jiffy bag" story in the first place and why is a good question.

Hard to think it wasn't done maliciously. If you were a curious member of Team Sky then surely you'd first ask Brailsford about it before taking your concerns/claims to a Daily Mail journalist.

I've always thought that the most likely explanation is that the substance taken was allowed to be administered out of competition without a TUE (corticosteroid) but not in competition. I mean does anyone seriously believe that Cope was travelling with a banned doping product like EPO or HGH through customs checks? It doesn't make sense.

The fact the substance was administered before midnight on the final day of the Dauphine would mean that it was technically an anti-doping rule violation but given the race was already finished and Wiggins was perhaps six hours or so from being able to take it legitimately suggests to me the person who leaked the info to the DM was doing so maliciously.

Seems unlikely on the face of it. Although Cope seemingly didn't care what he was carrying, I would suggest PEDs were no less likely than the package being simply an innocuous decongestant which Sky didn't have in their infamous medications cabinet (love that photo ) so needed to courier it from UK and then get caught fibbing about it for the next 3 months (have they privately / publicly apologized to Pooley yet ?). Seems more likely that it has taken that time for Sky to come up with a story that they hope will cover all bases (this time)

 

[ontheroad]

Dave has dug an irreversible hole now, so much so that I think there is no possible way back for him.

What a wicked web you weave when you set out to deceive.

 

[MartinGT]

Brailsford has told that many lies its going to catch up with him at some point. He makes out like he is some sort of higher being, all intelligent and amazing. But when you talk that much bull, it catches up with you at some point.

I saw someone on Twitter quote Mark Twain 'If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything'

I have to say though, I thought Brailsford played it well yesterday. Always passing the blame and never putting himself in it, even down to the 'anything else' in the jiffy bag thing. He threw Freeman straight under the bus to save himself and his pal SS.

 

[Norks74]

Lifted from that scientific study 'NAC significantly elevated the level of GSH (+33 %), EPO (+26 %),
Hb (+9 %) and Hct (+9 %) compared with CNAC'

NAC being fluimucil (N Acetylcysteine) administered group. CNAC is the control group.

The fact that EPO and Hct levels are being elevated to such a degree against the measured control group, does this not suggest that this substance is ever so slightly performance enhancing in itself?

 

[TeflonDub]

Re: Re:

Walsh calling Lawton's revelation about Brailsford trying to kill the story is "not so much a game changer, as a game ender."

Also says his info is that Sky will pull it if Brailsford resigns or is forced to quit.

Ah the Daily Mail. The bastion of click bait.

Anybody who gives them the slightest credibility needs their head testing, But then it is the clinic so.....

Are these click-bait stories the ones that are instantly denied as rubbish by Brailsford or the ones that form the basis of a Commons Select Committee hearing?

I'm keeping a screenshot of this post to remind your when Brailsford resigns. By Christmas.

 

[thehog]

Brailsford has told that many lies its going to catch up with him at some point. He makes out like he is some sort of higher being, all intelligent and amazing. But when you talk that much bull, it catches up with you at some point.

I saw someone on Twitter quote Mark Twain 'If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything'

I have to say though, I thought Brailsford played it well yesterday. Always passing the blame and never putting himself in it, even down to the 'anything else' in the jiffy bag thing. He threw Freeman straight under the bus to save himself and his pal SS.

I agree Brailsford was slick in avoiding any damage to himself and he was happy to apportion the blame elsewhere whilst pretending to accept some responsibility. If he was ever sacked from Sky he'd be working at a Premier League club in seconds. He never actually answers a question though, he has these set piece 2 minute diatribes, only once did they pull him up on it and tell him to answer the question.

 

[TeflonDub]

Re: Re:

Walsh calling Lawton's revelation about Brailsford trying to kill the story is "not so much a game changer, as a game ender."

Also says his info is that Sky will pull it if Brailsford resigns or is forced to quit.

Where is this from? Would love to read the article... (Might have missed a post???)

From Walsh's Twitter feed. Screen shot here.
https://twitter.com/teflondub/status/811052870246236160

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil apparently alters patients heamatology up to 9% in Hct.

Obviously Wiggins/Sky not tripping ABPs(were the even tested?)...........except JTL when in TeamGB colours!

OK, I love to throw crap at Sky but a 9% rise in HCT on Fluimucil? You're gonna need to link that one son, because that's total bull5hit.

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/810936537802219520

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/58/58_855.pdf

Barloworld injected riders with Fluimucil. Froome admitted to Kimmage he got injections of Fluimucil.

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

That's not actually true, it depends on "how" the drug was used and in what quantities.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Walsh calling Lawton's revelation about Brailsford trying to kill the story is "not so much a game changer, as a game ender."

Also says his info is that Sky will pull it if Brailsford resigns or is forced to quit.

Ah the Daily Mail. The bastion of click bait.

Anybody who gives them the slightest credibility needs their head testing, But then it is the clinic so.....

Hang on, check calendar, nope not July and you are posting. Must be serious.

Shooting the messengers has always worked, just ask Lance :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil apparently alters patients heamatology up to 9% in Hct.

Obviously Wiggins/Sky not tripping ABPs(were the even tested?)...........except JTL when in TeamGB colours!

OK, I love to throw crap at Sky but a 9% rise in HCT on Fluimucil? You're gonna need to link that one son, because that's total bull5hit.

https://twitter.com/vayerism/status/810936537802219520

http://www.biomed.cas.cz/physiolres/pdf/58/58_855.pdf

Barloworld injected riders with Fluimucil. Froome admitted to Kimmage he got injections of Fluimucil.

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

So what do we have : triamcinolone and fluimucil - both legal ooc and somewhat pushing the very grey areas / "going right to the limit". No great surprise I guess - but can understand why it would be uncomfortable for it to come out.

What we have is a bunch of lies. No great surprise as it is pro cycling and TdF winners taking PEDs is par for the course. Right to the limit :lol:

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

That's not actually true, it depends on "how" the drug was used and in what quantities.

Cant find anywhere that says Fluimucil is banned, regardless of use and quantity.

 

[sniper]

If you inject it during competition it's not "legally ok", spud. But you knew that.

Meanwhile it's waiting to see what B railsford will do with the Intel about that rival team abusing the TUE system. He has at least three options. CIRC. WADA. UKAD hotline.

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

That's not actually true, it depends on "how" the drug was used and in what quantities.

Cant find anywhere that says Fluimucil is banned, regardless of use and quantity.

Who said anything about being banned? First you use the word "legal", then you're talking about "banned"? What are you talking about.

Just to help you:

Use acetylcysteine only as directed. Do not use more of it and do not use it more often than your doctor ordered. To do so may increase the chance of side effects.

Wiggins, allegedly took the drug via the inhalation method according to Brailsford, Sutton claimed it was injected. Sounds like no one knows if the drug was used as directed.

 

[ontheroad]

Re: Re:

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

That's not actually true, it depends on "how" the drug was used and in what quantities.

Cant find anywhere that says Fluimucil is banned, regardless of use and quantity.

Who said anything about being banned? First you use the word "legal", then you're talking about "banned"? What are you talking about.

Just to help you:

Use acetylcysteine only as directed. Do not use more of it and do not use it more often than your doctor ordered. To do so may increase the chance of side effects.

Wiggins, allegedly took the drug via the inhalation method according to Brailsford, Sutton claimed it was injected. Sounds like no one knows if the drug was used as directed.

That is why Wiggins, Freeman and Cope need to be recalled to a second hearing of the select committee. More questions arose during yesterdays questioning and primarily because Brailsford and Sutton claimed to have insufficient knowledge of the administration and distribution of pharmaceutical products within Sky. They deflected everything towards the medical team and therefore it is those 3 particular individuals that should now be questioned since the answers provided yesterday were inconclusive and unsatisfactory.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Lifted from that scientific study 'NAC significantly elevated the level of GSH (+33 %), EPO (+26 %),
Hb (+9 %) and Hct (+9 %) compared with CNAC'

NAC being fluimucil (N Acetylcysteine) administered group. CNAC is the control group.

The fact that EPO and Hct levels are being elevated to such a degree against the measured control group, does this not suggest that this substance is ever so slightly performance enhancing in itself?

That study is junk.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

no "no needle policy" at Barloworld
no banned product
he even told it to Kimmage

no problem

Not a banned product so legally ok to use.

That's not actually true, it depends on "how" the drug was used and in what quantities.

Cant find anywhere that says Fluimucil is banned, regardless of use and quantity.

Who said anything about being banned? First you use the word "legal", then you're talking about "banned"? What are you talking about.

Just to help you:

Use acetylcysteine only as directed. Do not use more of it and do not use it more often than your doctor ordered. To do so may increase the chance of side effects.

Wiggins, allegedly took the drug via the inhalation method according to Brailsford, Sutton claimed it was injected. Sounds like no one knows if the drug was used as directed.

Instead of causing an argument why don't you post a link where it says anything about how fluimucil can be used, which was the point I was commenting on.

 

[thehog]

Special Precautions:
•Patients suffering from Asthma.
•Subjects with past records of peptic ulceration.

Warning and precautions

Patients suffering from bronchial asthma must be strictly controlled during the therapy; should bronchospasm occur, the treatment must immediately be suspended. Caution should be taken in patient suffering from or with a history of peptic ulcer. The possible presence of a sulphurous odour does not indicate an alteration of the product but is a characteristic of the active ingredient contained in this preparation. It is preferable not to mix other drugs with the Fluimucil A solution.

"We trust our Doctors"

:lol:

 

[TheSpud]

Re:

If you inject it during competition it's not "legally ok", spud. But you knew that.

Meanwhile it's waiting to see what B railsford will do with the Intel about that rival team abusing the TUE system. He has at least three options. CIRC. WADA. UKAD hotline.

Actually I didn't which is why I mentioned it. I don't see the product on the WADA banned list, and I cant find any link that mentions how it can / cant be used. Happy to read them if someone can provide them.

Now, if the point you're making is that it goes against their no needles policy then that's a different point - although I'm sure they would say its Meds and not recovery products.