Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[King Boonen]

Shane just said Cope was going down anyway... That's different... Why?

 

[King Boonen]

Shane basically confirms is was pharmaceuticals.

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

Shane: 'I was the guy who if you wanted something doing you asked me..'

 

[TourOfSardinia]

any one got a link from froome-a-sil ?

 

[Tienus]

Fluimucil

You can buy it without prescription in most countries.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterm+@DOCNO+3003

 

[King Boonen]

It's acetylcysteine, the brand name is probably different in different countries depending who makes it.

 

[Nick C.]

Re:

Fluimucil

You can buy it without prescription in most countries.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterm+@DOCNO+3003

Which begs the question, why would they need to send a guy across borders with it in a bag?

 

[MatParker117]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil

You can buy it without prescription in most countries.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterm+@DOCNO+3003

Which begs the question, why would they need to send a guy across borders with it in a bag?

Chain of custody is one thing that comes to mind.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil

You can buy it without prescription in most countries.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterm+@DOCNO+3003

Which begs the question, why would they need to send a guy across borders with it in a bag?

To avoid Alain Baxter type situations? Apparently he was already flying there anyway though. It still sounds dodgy.

 

[Benotti69]

Fluimucil is not recommended to be used if you have asthma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Fluimucil

You can buy it without prescription in most countries.

https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdbterm+@DOCNO+3003

Which begs the question, why would they need to send a guy across borders with it in a bag?

Chain of custody is one thing that comes to mind.

Chain of custody?

Pull the other one!

Wiggins cant have needed Fluimucil as it is not recommended to be used if you have asthma.

Brailsford and Sky telling lies again. Like the bag was meant for Emma Pooley, 700 miles away. Liars in sport mean cheaters and dopers.

 

[Tienus]

To be fair: For the inhaler you need a precription in France.
http://www.doctissimo.fr/medicament-RHINOFLUIMUCIL.htm

Doesnt make his storie more believable imo.

 

[Benotti69]

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To be fair: For the inhaler you need a precription in France.
http://www.doctissimo.fr/medicament-RHINOFLUIMUCIL.htm

Doesnt make his storie more believable imo.

Story is adapted from the Brothers Grimm.

 

[Benotti69]

"We invite anybody to come and examine us and scrutinise us." Brailsford's final line.

Bet they would turn down Kimmage!!! again.

 

[ontheroad]

The last guy asking Brailsford a question actually nearly apologised for having to question him, he was an embarassment. Nicholson had him rattled but lacked the time or cycling knowledge to pin him down. Brailsford method of trying to bore the interviewer into submission with long winded waffle was once again his main tactic. However, even though he told us what was in the package, there remain more questions than answers. Can we believe that a product that cost €8 was delivered from the UK to France, and only revealed under duress months later. It just sounds utterly bizarre

 

[sniper]

No we cant.
It's a simple fact that there was something else in the bag.
Otherwise they'd have told us long ago.

The real contents will come out sooner or later. And then it will be brailsfords word against the other guys word.

 

[Benotti69]

Brailsford lied all this time to find out that it was Fluimucil?

Fluimucil. Not pedals. Not shoes. Not nasal strips. Unavailable in the French Alps clearly. :lol:

Boy anyone believing this should ask themselves has cycling changed its doping culture.

Sky are no different than any other successful cycling team that has come and gone before and if you cannot see it well i feel sorry for you as you will be disappointed when it all comes out due to confessions from players as it has done and always will do.

No one racing clean can beat dopers over 3 weeks. No one.

 

[pastronef]

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No we cant.
It's a simple fact that there was something else in the bag.
Otherwise they'd have told us long ago.

sure.

let´s see what the guys at Parliament will make of that: will they publish a relation about this morning questioning?

another thing is what twitter and clinic really know about that.

the big public are not aware

 

[ontheroad]

Dave Brailsford......insulting people's intelligence since 2010.

 

[Norks74]

I have a feeling the bit about one company (British Cycling) invoicing another (Team Sky, or subsidiary Co.) should grow some legs too, but then again, it does depend on who is auditing this particular 'paper trail'?

 

[sniper]

As always were gonna have to wait for whistleblowers, leaks, hacks, and journos prepared to do the heavy lifting.
From UKAD or the house of commons I don't expect anything.
That said, they did a good job today getting these guys and their denials and lies on the record.

 

[ontheroad]

Brailsford when asked was there anything else in the package, replied 'I hope not'. He didn't say no and I can't beleive that he didn't know or enquire off Freeman. It sounds completely ludicrous to send an €8 decongestant which was available less than 1km away in France, half way across Europe. The fact that he could not answer no to a simple question means that Freeman has questions to answer. Brailsford and indeed Sutton appear to know very little or make many enquiries as to what products their riders are being administered by the medical team. A lot of faith seems to be placed in the ethics and processes employed by the doctors at Sky. That's if you actually believe Brailsford and his bluster.

 

[thehog]

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Brailsford when asked was there anything else in the package, replied 'I hope not'. He didn't say no and I can't beleive that he didn't know or enquire off Freeman. It sounds completely ludicrous to send an €8 decongestant which was available less than 1km away in France, half way across Europe. The fact that he could not answer no to a simple question means that Freeman has questions to answer. Brailsford and indeed Sutton appear to know very little or make many enquiries as to what products their riders are being administered by the medical team. A lot of faith seems to be placed in the ethics and processes employed by the doctors at Sky. That's if you actually believe Brailsford and his bluster.

The Doctor can maintain patient / doctor confidentiality, so it made sense that their strategy was push ownership to the medical team.

 

[RownhamHill]

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Brailsford when asked was there anything else in the package, replied 'I hope not'. He didn't say no and I can't beleive that he didn't know or enquire off Freeman. It sounds completely ludicrous to send an €8 decongestant which was available less than 1km away in France, half way across Europe. The fact that he could not answer no to a simple question means that Freeman has questions to answer. Brailsford and indeed Sutton appear to know very little or make many enquiries as to what products their riders are being administered by the medical team. A lot of faith seems to be placed in the ethics and processes employed by the doctors at Sky. That's if you actually believe Brailsford and his bluster.

Surely the fact he can't state 'no' is because he didn't personally check the package himself to verify it's contents. Which when you think of the role of a CEO is not exactly a shock. Or he knows there was something else in the package and he's trying to create plausible deniability in the event that does become public knowledge. . .

But leaving aside Sky and one's trust in whatever they say for a moment, I think it's really interesting that lots of comment has been made around the seeming lack of knowledge or oversight that coaches are giving the medical team. In principle, don't you generally want the Doctors making medical decisions about rider's health independent of pressure or 'oversight' from coaches?

 

[thehog]

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Brailsford when asked was there anything else in the package, replied 'I hope not'. He didn't say no and I can't beleive that he didn't know or enquire off Freeman. It sounds completely ludicrous to send an €8 decongestant which was available less than 1km away in France, half way across Europe. The fact that he could not answer no to a simple question means that Freeman has questions to answer. Brailsford and indeed Sutton appear to know very little or make many enquiries as to what products their riders are being administered by the medical team. A lot of faith seems to be placed in the ethics and processes employed by the doctors at Sky. That's if you actually believe Brailsford and his bluster.

Surely the fact he can't state 'no' is because he didn't personally check the package himself to verify it's contents. Which when you think of the role of a CEO is not exactly a shock. Or he knows there was something else in the package and he's trying to create plausible deniability in the event that does become public knowledge. . .

But leaving aside Sky and one's trust in whatever they say for a moment, I think it's really interesting that lots of comment has been made around the seeming lack of knowledge or oversight that coaches are giving the medical team. In principle, don't you generally want the Doctors making medical decisions about rider's health independent of pressure or 'oversight' from coaches?

It was, they was protestation from Sutton and Brailsford about being a 'clean team" but when it came down to it, they wouldn't actually know if a Doctor was injecting Wiggins with EPO in the bus. The fact that they are shipping medical supplied with little to no control or authorisation is very worrying.