Dave Brailsford - cycling genius

[thehog]

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Meh. She's talking about sexism, bullying, and people being afraid. I can't imagine anyone being afraid of Cookie. He seems more like the sleepy figurehead puppet who shows up for tea and photo ops, but doesn't really know what goes on day-to-day.

He still needs to take responsibility and go though.

Bully/fear sounds more like Dave Beeeeee and Sutton, in my opinion.

Agree with all of that....

 

[chuuurles]

so, will their be anymore fireworks? or now that froome has backed Dave B and everybody is friends again will this fizzel out?

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/39254063
"Froome added: "I would like to apologise for this on behalf of myself and the other riders of Team Sky who feel passionately about our sport and winning clean.""
Why is Froome apologising? He's not responsible for DB's or others actions ...

We await Dr Freeman's "mea culpa".

 

[Dan2016]

so, will their be anymore fireworks? or now that froome has backed Dave B and everybody is friends again will this fizzel out?

It's got the feel that it's going to fizzle hasn't it. Not shizzle. Shizzle would be good. Shizzle would mean they all got banned and jailed. That would be fun. No I mean fizzle unfortunately, in the bog standard sense of fizzle.
I hope that makes sense.

 

[blackcat]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/39254063
"Froome added: "I would like to apologise for this on behalf of myself and the other riders of Team Sky who feel passionately about our sport and winning clean.""
Why is Froome apologising? He's not responsible for DB's or others actions ...

We await Dr Freeman's "mea culpa".

Lance likes their credibility also

 

[Franklin]

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Meh. She's talking about sexism, bullying, and people being afraid. I can't imagine anyone being afraid of Cookie. He seems more like the sleepy figurehead puppet who shows up for tea and photo ops, but doesn't really know what goes on day-to-day.

The guy got enough political skills to become the head of the UCI, yet you think he's a silly push over?

People that manage to get at those positions in semi-government (extremely political) organisations as BC most definitely have Machiavelli on their bedside table. They also have a long relation (usually college) with their male colleagues.

I flat out disagree that this guy will be a nice guy director. I also flat out disagree that he is incapable of being a misogynist iron fisted internal ruler.

 

[gillan1969]

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Meh. She's talking about sexism, bullying, and people being afraid. I can't imagine anyone being afraid of Cookie. He seems more like the sleepy figurehead puppet who shows up for tea and photo ops, but doesn't really know what goes on day-to-day.

The guy got enough political skills to become the head of the UCI, yet you think he's a silly push over?

People that manage to get at those positions in semi-government (extremely political) organisations as BC most definitely have Machiavelli on their bedside table. They also have a long relation (usually college) with their male colleagues.

I flat out disagree that this guy will be a nice guy director. I also flat out disagree that he is incapable of being a misogynist iron fisted internal ruler.

well yes in the mould of Corbyn...ineffectual can be useful for those behind the scenes as they can pursue an agenda under the guise of a hapless leader...i mean its not like SDB has had any sort of agenda or anything

 

[gillan1969]

not good at linking stuff so you'll need to click link yourself...after his letter to Coe now this Where UKAD don't go, Damian does...let transparency be the judge....Sir Dave must love this guy...bringing all this out.....

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/combatting-doping-in-sport-correspondence-published-16-17/

 

[Electress]

not good at linking stuff so you'll need to click link yourself...after his letter to Coe now this Where UKAD don't go, Damian does...let transparency be the judge....Sir Dave must love this guy...bringing all this out.....

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/combatting-doping-in-sport-correspondence-published-16-17/

Kind regards....! :lol:

Damian Collins is priceless.

Wish he'd asked why Freeman believed he had no prescription rights in France when he does. Or why he couldn't have gone 15 minutes to a Swiss pharmacy on the way to Les Gets...

And they can tell you the name of the bloody pharmacy in Switzerland, but they can't produce shread of evidence of what was in the package or where they dispensed their drugs to. Laughable.

I note he didn't answer on the subject of how many riders received the Kenalog....

 

[GraftPunk]

I wonder who Freeman is spending his sick time making deals with...

edited for spelling

 

[gillan1969]

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I wonder who Freeman is spending his sick time making deals with...

edited for spelling

he's been thrown right under the bus - with the GMC being invited to tailgate to run over what's left

he'll be needing a few quid to keep quiet that's for sure...

 

[Dan2016]

not good at linking stuff so you'll need to click link yourself...after his letter to Coe now this Where UKAD don't go, Damian does...let transparency be the judge....Sir Dave must love this guy...bringing all this out.....

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/combatting-doping-in-sport-correspondence-published-16-17/

Kind regards....! :lol:

Damian Collins is priceless.

Wish he'd asked why Freeman believed he had no prescription rights in France when he does. Or why he couldn't have gone 15 minutes to a Swiss pharmacy on the way to Les Gets...

And they can tell you the name of the bloody pharmacy in Switzerland, but they can't produce shread of evidence of what was in the package or where they dispensed their drugs to. Laughable.

I note he didn't answer on the subject of how many riders received the Kenalog....

Amazing isn't it. I've just read that exchange and Skygollum as an 'ability' to answer questions without answering questions.

The number of riders involved in the taking of those 10 ampoules is very important. Hiding behind medical confidentiality is ridiculous. Collins didn't ask for names, just total number.

And what about TUE's for those 10 ampoules? Not necessarily needed, but might be a worthwhile question.

 

[Electress]

not good at linking stuff so you'll need to click link yourself...after his letter to Coe now this Where UKAD don't go, Damian does...let transparency be the judge....Sir Dave must love this guy...bringing all this out.....

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/combatting-doping-in-sport-correspondence-published-16-17/

Kind regards....! :lol:

Damian Collins is priceless.

Wish he'd asked why Freeman believed he had no prescription rights in France when he does. Or why he couldn't have gone 15 minutes to a Swiss pharmacy on the way to Les Gets...

And they can tell you the name of the bloody pharmacy in Switzerland, but they can't produce shread of evidence of what was in the package or where they dispensed their drugs to. Laughable.

I note he didn't answer on the subject of how many riders received the Kenalog....

Amazing isn't it. I've just read that exchange and Skygollum as an 'ability' to answer questions without answering questions.

The number of riders involved in the taking of those 10 ampoules is very important. Hiding behind medical confidentiality is ridiculous. Collins didn't ask for names, just total number.

And what about TUE's for those 10 ampoules? Not necessarily needed, but might be a worthwhile question.

The thing is that, as is patently obviously, they have absolutely no evidence for any of these assertions. So Sky's response isn't worth the paper it is written on. They could claim the injected Brailsford's dog wit Kenalog for all it stands up to scrutiny.

I would quite like it confirmed how these ampoule are administered...is it needles ?

They basically claim that for two years no one could manage to get the good Dr to upload files for their star rider in adherance to Management Policy. Two years. FFS. It's only a drag and drop; the guy would have to be IT-remedial and their systems so pathetically weak...that squares with what we've heard about the dictatorial / authoritarian, bullying management style....

Seems that Dr Peters found his Human Mind was no match for Freeman's unruly Chimp, eh?

What follows is virtually all self-righteous waffle and content free. Just words strung together to provide a fig leaf. I told my boss about all this over lunch (I've been telling him for years, and he had the grace today to say 'Well, you told me so!), and when I told him some of the stuff that was being claimed his response (as a non-cycling or even sports fan) was 'Are they Imbeciles? Does anyone believe that?'

 

[Dan2016]

not good at linking stuff so you'll need to click link yourself...after his letter to Coe now this Where UKAD don't go, Damian does...let transparency be the judge....Sir Dave must love this guy...bringing all this out.....

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/news-parliament-2015/combatting-doping-in-sport-correspondence-published-16-17/

Kind regards....! :lol:

Damian Collins is priceless.

Wish he'd asked why Freeman believed he had no prescription rights in France when he does. Or why he couldn't have gone 15 minutes to a Swiss pharmacy on the way to Les Gets...

And they can tell you the name of the bloody pharmacy in Switzerland, but they can't produce shread of evidence of what was in the package or where they dispensed their drugs to. Laughable.

I note he didn't answer on the subject of how many riders received the Kenalog....

Amazing isn't it. I've just read that exchange and Skygollum as an 'ability' to answer questions without answering questions.

The number of riders involved in the taking of those 10 ampoules is very important. Hiding behind medical confidentiality is ridiculous. Collins didn't ask for names, just total number.

And what about TUE's for those 10 ampoules? Not necessarily needed, but might be a worthwhile question.

The thing is that, as is patently obviously, they have absolutely no evidence for any of these assertions. So Sky's response isn't worth the paper it is written on. They could claim the injected Brailsford's dog wit Kenalog for all it stands up to scrutiny.

I would quite like it confirmed how these ampoule are administered...is it needles ?

They basically claim that for two years no one could manage to get the good Dr to upload files for their star rider in adherance to Management Policy. Two years. FFS. It's only a drag and drop; the guy would have to be IT-remedial and their systems so pathetically weak...that squares with what we've heard about the dictatorial / authoritarian, bullying management style....

Seems that Dr Peters found his Human Mind was no match for Freeman's unruly Chimp, eh?

What follows is virtually all self-righteous waffle and content free. Just words strung together to provide a fig leaf. I told my boss about all this over lunch (I've been telling him for years, and he had the grace today to say 'Well, you told me so!), and when I told him some of the stuff that was being claimed his response (as a non-cycling or even sports fan) was 'Are they Imbeciles? Does anyone believe that?'

Haha, yes you're right of course, regarding the 10 ampoules my bollox filter burned out with the amount it had to deal with in those letters. As you say ''they (Skygollum) have absolutely no evidence for any of these assertions''. It's brilliant, in a bad way of course. Just make stuff up and brazen it out. Freeman is on the receiving end of 'busthrowundery' (great word). Poor guy, being labeled an imbecile. Dropbox is very very easy to use.

I note a degree of what I would label as passive-aggressive language in the Skygollum letters too. It's very very subtle. It's usually an attempt to turn the tables, disorientate and control. I'm conscious of this due to past experience so it's possible I'm over analysing. Phrases like ''It is important to emphasise again'', emphasis on again. It's an unnecessary and deliberate addition.

I have to say I admire Damian Collins' ability to write a letter expressing complete mocking incredulity in such a subtle manner it appears it isn't. Maybe that's my bias but I did chuckle reading it.

I can't get 'The Thick of It' TV series out of my head with all of this. Particularly towards the end when they were in court or in front of a parliamentary committee or something. It's hilariously accurate.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Maybe Dr. Freeman's laptop was infected with a virus that prevented the drag-and-drop from working properly when it came to Froome's files only. Badzilla.exe

 

[Robert5091]

Reading Sir DB's letter to the MPs is like reading Trump's tweets - a lot of smoke and made up stuff that can be easily disproved. But both don't give a f*** as nobody can do anything about it. Sad!

 

[blackcat]

Reading Sir DB's letter to the MPs is like reading Trump's tweets - a lot of smoke and made up stuff that can be easily disproved. But both don't give a f*** as nobody can do anything about it. Sad!

I dont like that decision. I am not happy about that deal!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

All Dave B's sheltering behind the shields of Governance and medalist values
is put in question here:

UK Sport ‘went easy’ on British Cycling to keep medal factory intact
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/15/uk-sport-went-easy-british-cycling-medal-factory

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tea...responsibility-and-not-blame-freeman-says-mp/
"Damian Collins MP, the Chairman of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee has told Cyclingnews that the leadership at Team Sky should take responsibility for their failings to provide sufficient medical records in the UK Anti-Doping investigation surrounding Bradley Wiggins."
Does that just mean saying sorry?

 

[thehog]

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All Dave B's sheltering behind the shields of Governance and medalist values
is put in question here:

UK Sport ‘went easy’ on British Cycling to keep medal factory intact
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/15/uk-sport-went-easy-british-cycling-medal-factory

I think we are now at "state sponsored" doping program.

 

[carton]

Re: Re:

All Dave B's sheltering behind the shields of Governance and medalist values
is put in question here:

UK Sport ‘went easy’ on British Cycling to keep medal factory intact
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/15/uk-sport-went-easy-british-cycling-medal-factory

I think we are now at "state sponsored" doping program.

Umm, I don't think "sponsored" means what you think it means. Having ten shots of expresso before a race doesn't make you as guilty as HWMNBN.

BTW, at this point whether or not there was kenacort in the jiffy bag (no need to preach to the choir on that one), I'm pretty sure there was fluimicil too. I mean, it's just too bad of a story to make up.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

All Dave B's sheltering behind the shields of Governance and medalist values
is put in question here:

UK Sport ‘went easy’ on British Cycling to keep medal factory intact
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/15/uk-sport-went-easy-british-cycling-medal-factory

I think we are now at "state sponsored" doping program.

Umm, I don't think "sponsored" means what you think it means. Having ten shots of expresso before a race doesn't make you as guilty as HWMNBN.

BTW, at this point whether or not there was kenacort in the jiffy bag (no need to preach to the choir on that one), I'm pretty sure there was fluimicil too. I mean, it's just too bad of a story to make up.

Brailsford only stepped down from his role at BC in 2014? So how was it not state sponsored?

 

[carton]

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Brailsford only stepped down from his role at BC in 2014? So how was it not state sponsored?

BC isn't the state. There's been no evidence or even allegations that the state (UKSport, et al) was directly pursuing a sponsored doping program. At most what that tell us is that tells us the state was apparently negligent. Which we mostly knew, but it's good to have some sourced allegations published. But this isn't the FSB hacking the anti-doping labs. It's nowhere near the vicinity of anywhere near that.

 

[Benotti69]

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Brailsford only stepped down from his role at BC in 2014? So how was it not state sponsored?

BC isn't the state. There's been no evidence or even allegations that the state (UKSport, et al) was directly pursuing a sponsored doping program. At most what that tell us is that tells us the state was apparently negligent. Which we mostly knew, but it's good to have some sourced allegations published. But this isn't the FSB hacking the anti-doping labs. It's nowhere near the vicinity of anywhere near that.

State provided funds to BC. State funding or state sponsorship, why split hairs?

It was the pursuit of medals and a win at all costs which is a state sponsored doping program.

If the state was concerned about doping they have not shown that. In fact UK sports has shown they are not interested in investigating how the medal count is so high against known state sponsored programs.

 

[carton]

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State provided funds to BC. State funding or state sponsorship, why split hairs?

It was the pursuit of medals and a win at all costs which is a state sponsored doping program.

If the state was concerned about doping they have not shown that. In fact UK sports has shown they are not interested in investigating how the medal count is so high against known state sponsored programs.

I don' think I'm splitting hairs here. There's a real difference IMHO. It doesn't mean that it wasn't potentially very bad. USPS wasn't state sponsored doping as well. The state (via the postal service) clearly wasn't attempting to organize a doping programarme there either.

That the British State should've exerted more oversight seems like a rather uncontroversial statement at this point. But as you put it yourself, doping the athletes wasn't an ongoing concern of the state, as far as we know.

Edit: Obviously the typo is where it matters most. Duh.