De facto state sponsored perhaps...possibly, maybe. A state throws a huge wad money at a sport, sees a return of endless medals and willfully ignores the history of the sport and how said medals are often/usually won. No questions asked at any stage. Knowing and willful participation is maybe an unnecessarily narrow definition.carton said:
A lot of the comments to the articles on the CN main page sound just like the astroturfed comments that Lance's PR team bought for when he went down. Almost word-for-word arguments. UK Postal just keeps on following the model.
I feel sorry for people who don't believe in miracles. I feel sorry for people who believe those arguments are real.
I feel sorry for people who don't believe in miracles. I feel sorry for people who believe those arguments are real.
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Yeah I've seen that. I feel a bit sorry for them, I don't mean that patronisingly, I mean I feel bad for them. I know some of these people, not literally the ones commenting...ye know what I mean. Many of them really love the sport, many of them race etc., etc.
Their love of it, and the meaning they get out of it, is predicated on 'the good stuff', ye know, the pure, white, moral hero stuff. It's important to many people innit. Not everyone easily embraces the dark and the absurd and the chaotic realities without loosing their footing. Kind of like a religious psychology.
I reckon some people are giving them too hard a time, a bit too much mocking and sneering.
Beech Mtn said:
Yeah I've seen that. I feel a bit sorry for them, I don't mean that patronisingly, I mean I feel bad for them. I know some of these people, not literally the ones commenting...ye know what I mean. Many of them really love the sport, many of them race etc., etc.
Their love of it, and the meaning they get out of it, is predicated on 'the good stuff', ye know, the pure, white, moral hero stuff. It's important to many people innit. Not everyone easily embraces the dark and the absurd and the chaotic realities without loosing their footing. Kind of like a religious psychology.
I reckon some people are giving them too hard a time, a bit too much mocking and sneering.
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This is a sins of commission, sins of omission issue. It sounds more like the latter to me. But it's a very fine line. Its all very well saying 'well, we went easy so as not to upset the apple-cart', so long as there was no suspicion that the apple cart was being fuelled by illegal or unethical means. If there were the slightest questions of this, and they turned a blind eye, well, that's tacit acceptance that there may be doping going on which they were not going to look for very hard. Not quite 'state sponsored' but not very far off, since it's the tacit acceptance that the money you provide might not be going where it should. Too much of that, and pretty soon its an active blind eye you are turning, and all of a sudden....'here's the money, get the medals, don't tell me how'.
Dan2016 said:
This is a sins of commission, sins of omission issue. It sounds more like the latter to me. But it's a very fine line. Its all very well saying 'well, we went easy so as not to upset the apple-cart', so long as there was no suspicion that the apple cart was being fuelled by illegal or unethical means. If there were the slightest questions of this, and they turned a blind eye, well, that's tacit acceptance that there may be doping going on which they were not going to look for very hard. Not quite 'state sponsored' but not very far off, since it's the tacit acceptance that the money you provide might not be going where it should. Too much of that, and pretty soon its an active blind eye you are turning, and all of a sudden....'here's the money, get the medals, don't tell me how'.
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Something tells me that DB is not going away without hoisting the middle finger. If Paris-Nice and Milan-San Remo are indicators, we should all be looking forward to the Giro with a fully transformed Geeeee Man, and, of course, Le Tour. Froomie is going to go thermonuclear. It goes without saying he will win the Maillot Jaune, but for good measure, I expect him to add the Green Jersey, the Polka Dot Jersey, and cap it off with a winning sprint on the Champs-Élysées, blowing away Cavendish, Sagan, Greipel, and Kittel in fully seated washing-machine-spinning rocket mode.
Beech Mtn said:
Something tells me that DB is not going away without hoisting the middle finger. If Paris-Nice and Milan-San Remo are indicators, we should all be looking forward to the Giro with a fully transformed Geeeee Man, and, of course, Le Tour. Froomie is going to go thermonuclear. It goes without saying he will win the Maillot Jaune, but for good measure, I expect him to add the Green Jersey, the Polka Dot Jersey, and cap it off with a winning sprint on the Champs-Élysées, blowing away Cavendish, Sagan, Greipel, and Kittel in fully seated washing-machine-spinning rocket mode.
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this is a fundamtental misreading of #TeamSky's JohNash gametheory doping.
Everyone is like JTL and does their diffused own responsibility doping, the era from bringing it inside the team has been quashed, riders need to manage their own enhancement and supply/logistics,
this #gametheory allows the team plausible deniability.
as my neologism is, implausible undeniability[sic]
effectively, nothing has changed, but everything has changed.
Edita Rumsas does the job of the USPS doctors.
ok, you can say Leinders, Cope etc...
for one rider. No more. The programs are diffused, this allows the teams to defuse risk, and to deny.
42x16ss said:
this is a fundamtental misreading of #TeamSky's JohNash gametheory doping.
Everyone is like JTL and does their diffused own responsibility doping, the era from bringing it inside the team has been quashed, riders need to manage their own enhancement and supply/logistics,
this #gametheory allows the team plausible deniability.
as my neologism is, implausible undeniability[sic]
effectively, nothing has changed, but everything has changed.
Edita Rumsas does the job of the USPS doctors.
ok, you can say Leinders, Cope etc...
for one rider. No more. The programs are diffused, this allows the teams to defuse risk, and to deny.
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You suggesting ''...the official thread''? Yeah do it. The moniker SDB should be banishes, a dead dreamses. Gollum. Gollum...
blackcat said:
You suggesting ''...the official thread''? Yeah do it. The moniker SDB should be banishes, a dead dreamses. Gollum. Gollum...
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Cheers Dan. Just ''Gollum'' would make it loads easier. Need a bit of sense around here.
Irondan said:Yes, I can certainly see how difficult and confusing it must be to do a search for "Dave Brailsford" with the returning results being "Dave Brailsford - cycling genius"...Dan2016 said:
I'll see what I can do to make it simpler.
Cheers Dan. Just ''Gollum'' would make it loads easier. Need a bit of sense around here.
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"Dave Brailsford - cycling genius" to "Dave Brailsford" ... marginal gains people, marginal gains ...yoúr cpu will thank you for it.
I believed Dave Brailsford when he said that the 'Jiffy Bag' contained Fluimucil. If Dave said it was Fluimucil then you betta it was Fluimucil, as Dr Freeman told him it was Fluimucil for a nebuliser.
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WOW bandit!ebandit said:
davey boy ya told me you would be doing everything differently
...........is the difference having all bases covered and not getting
caught?
Mark L
welcome back. Nice art work.
ebandit said:
davey boy ya told me you would be doing everything differently
...........is the difference having all bases covered and not getting
caught?
Mark L
That's very funny and very nicely done.
I wish I knew how to do that stuff, endless hours could be wasted in absurdist humour...
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Dan2016 said:ebandit said:
davey boy ya told me you would be doing everything differently
...........is the difference having all bases covered and not getting
caught?
Mark L
That's very funny and very nicely done.
I wish I knew how to do that stuff, endless hours could be wasted in absurdist humour...
yeah, SDB aka gollum is pretty sexy in that Tom Hanks cast away modesty apron, is pretty darn sexy innit
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