DAVID MILLAR and the B O A

[roundabout]

Wait, Millar admitted his doping immediately?

Have I missed something, is there a different definition of "immediate" or is it alternative history?

 

[Martin318is]

Wait, Millar admitted his doping immediately?

Have I missed something, is there a different definition of "immediate" or is it alternative history?

okay, you got me. He admitted it "within the 48hours that the French Police were allowed to detain him for questioning". (around the 44-46hour mark) Is that better?

Either way, he didn't spend 1-2 years in continuous denials and appeals or claim "intended doping", etc like most other accused dopers.

 

[roundabout]

I would have thought that the previous testimony of Gaumont (when are we putting him on a pedestal?) and evidence of EPO use found in his home (that he allegedly kept as a souvenir???) had also something to do with his confession.

 

[roundabout]

Oh and speaking of appeals, Millar did appeal his ban and thought that it should be only a year.

Luckily CAS acted quicker back in 05 so they told him to buzz off only 7 months after his confession.

So indeed, not quite a year.

 

[roundabout]

And another thing

Here's Millar's response to a doping allegation

A total idiot who should have left the team four years ago … a nutter, but very gifted at manipulating people

Too bad he couldn't tell the same to the police, right?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I have a finely tuned bullsh!t detector, and when Millar says he assumed Armstrong was clean it goes off like the Hiroshima bomb. You would have us believe that in the early 00's, Millar was doping, he was surrounded by teammates who were doped to the eyeballs, he personally experienced the gains from EPO, he won races on dope, and yet he assumed that Armstrong was clean. Only years later, after all the other people at the top tested positive, Millar was finally able to put two and two together to figure out that maybe Armstrong doped too--but, hey, maybe he didn't but if he did then it would be one of the worst cases of doping ever. Bullsh!t. That defies common sense. Even most of the hardcore Lance fooltards that populated The Placeline have been able to accept that Armstrong must have doped, and they don't have the first hand experience that Millar has.

Millar is a liar. He continues to do what he has always done: Protect those who have not been busted while using those who have as scapegoats, which is the standard method of maintaining omerta. How else do you reconcile your faith in Millar with his description of Landis telling all as "disgusting?"

He has never claimed Armstrong is clean - he has just not said he is dirty, there is quite a difference.

More importantly, the highlighted ignores when Millar doped. He had already ridden Tours and won races while clean during the free for all 90's - so he knows that it can be done.
So he cannot automatically assume that everyone else is doping.

And another thing

Here's Millar's response to a doping allegation


Too bad he couldn't tell the same to the police, right?

I am not sure what you are trying to show - in his book Millar candidly states that if the cops had not found his EPO vials that he would never have talked or admitted to anyone.

 

[Martin318is]

Oh and speaking of appeals, Millar did appeal his ban and thought that it should be only a year.

Luckily CAS acted quicker back in 05 so they told him to buzz off only 7 months after his confession.

So indeed, not quite a year.

there is a pretty big gulf between an appeal on the sentence in an effort to not miss the next tour (while still clearly agreeing on guilt) - in the context of the lengths of penalties others got at the time - and an appeal against the entire verdict on some petty little technicality where guilt is NEVER admitted and it just goes from one court to another with no resolution - plenty of examples of those!

 

[Benotti69]

okay, you got me. He admitted it "within the 48hours that the French Police were allowed to detain him for questioning". (around the 44-46hour mark) Is that better?

Either way, he didn't spend 1-2 years in continuous denials and appeals or claim "intended doping", etc like most other accused dopers.

Millar didn't go into denial because the police had empty epo phials in their hand which they found in his bathroom cabinet. Denying would've made him look stupid.

 

[Cloxxki]

Millar didn't go into denial because the police had empty epo phials in their hand which they found in his bathroom cabinet. Denying would've made him look stupid.

When has that ever stopped a cyclist before?

 

[BroDeal]

as evidenced by the fact that he is one of very VERY few athletes to respond to a doping allegation by immediately saying, "yes, I did it, here's how and here is who was involved". Yes he cheated but you have no evidence whatsoever other than your clear anger for any of the comments that you are posting as "truth"

You seem to have left out the part where he spent time denying and lying about his dope use. Let's not forget, defaming those who accused him. He called Gaumont a nutter when Gaumont started to talk. When Kimmage was about to write a story about the Cofidis doping scandal and sent a note to Millar, Millar had his lawyers send this:

“Dear Sir, “We act for David Millar. It has come to our client’s
attention that your newspaper may be about to publish an article about
our client and the Cofidis cycling team. You will be aware that
several ex-members of the Cofidis team are being investigated by the
French judicial authority in connection with the use of banned
substances. Our client is not under investigation and has gone on
record to say that he has never used banned substances. Furthermore,
we understand that the Cofidis team have dismissed any person whom
they had any suspicion of being involved with banned substances and
accordingly, no current members of the team are being investigated or
are under suspicion. If you publish any suggestion that our client has
taken banned substances we will bring legal proceedings for libel
against you.

“Yours faithfully ...”

Yeah, he admitted immediately......immediately after his apartment was raided, EPO ampules were found, he was frogmarched into a French jail, and he broke under interrogation. Finally he told a BS story that could only be believed by the gullible or the stupid that he kept empty EPO ampoules to remind him how he had won the world time trial championship.

Easy, he was already very angry with Landis for claiming innocence and wasting supporter's money for all those years. When he made that comment it was in that context and given that he knew White he was most likely of the belief that White hadn't doped. Remember that David himself knew several riders who had performed well and definitely had NOT doped. And once again you are reacting to a single sentence. Like I said, hate the guy if you want but dont preach gospel from blank pages

He said:

"He's reached the end of the road and I just find it disgusting," said Millar from his home training base in Girona, Spain. "He's a liar and a cheat and he has nothing left in cycling so he just wants to burn the house down."

Followed by:

"That's the problem," Millar said. "Now he's lost the ability to tell the truth whether it is or not. That's what's despicable about it - and sad. Because I'm sure there's truth in some of it. But it doesn't mean anything anymore."

Funny enough, McQuaid at the same time said:

It's possible there's certain elements of truth but it's possible there are certain elements of lies. Therefore, that discredits everything he said."

It sounds like Millar gets his talking points straight from the UCI. Not only is he upset with Landis for talking, he cast doubt on what Landis is saying, telling the public that it might be all lies, even though Millar knows that the Postal/Disco riders on his team were doping alongside Armstrong. The intent of his statement is clear: He was upset that Landis had told so much truth that it would damage cycling. It looks like he thought Landis should have used the method of coming clean that he and other cyclists favor, one of strategic admission, where the smallest amount of truth that explains the evidence is asserted as the whole truth. I guess Landis could have followed JV's advice and done things the Slipstream way (assuming any of them ever get around to admitting their dope use): Confess your own sins but under no circumstance say anything about anyone else, not even the doctors who injected you and the rest of the team or anyone else who facilitated the team's doping.

 

[thehog]

"At the January 2004 Cofidis Team presentation, David Millar wearing the world champions winners band on his jersey (ITT) said 'I don't want to comment on this (Gaumont affair) - except to say that I have never used drugs, and I am convinced that this controversy doesn't include anyone else in the team. I wish to re-iterate I have never used illegal products'.

 

[bobbins]

He's a cheat who has skilfully had his ban and return to cycling stage managed so he comes out of it in the best light.

Reformed doper - aren't they all. I don't believe he only took it for the worlds and don't believe he's clean now.

Stupid dopers get caught and he's been very clever since his return.

 

[Benotti69]

He's a cheat who has skilfully had his ban and return to cycling stage managed so he comes out of it in the best light.

Reformed doper - aren't they all. I don't believe he only took it for the worlds and don't believe he's clean now.

Stupid dopers get caught and he's been very clever since his return.

It does not seem a cyclist needs to be clever to avoid a positive, they just need to be stupid according to Thomas Frei.

Millar's comments have not been very clever with his choice to try and play both sides of the fence by being the voice of anti doping and yet loyal to the omerta.

 

[blackcat]

He's a cheat who has skilfully had his ban and return to cycling stage managed so he comes out of it in the best light.

Reformed doper - aren't they all. I don't believe he only took it for the worlds and don't believe he's clean now.

Stupid dopers get caught and he's been very clever since his return.

from the Tiger Woods school of redemption

 

[Martin318is]

He's a cheat who has skilfully had his ban and return to cycling stage managed so he comes out of it in the best light.

Reformed doper - aren't they all. I don't believe he only took it for the worlds and don't believe he's clean now.

Stupid dopers get caught and he's been very clever since his return.

Fair enough - but he says himself that he didnt just take drugs for the worlds. Its just that after that he says he stopped and went back to riding clean.

 

[daveinzambia]

He's a cheat who has skilfully had his ban and return to cycling stage managed so he comes out of it in the best light.

Reformed doper - aren't they all. I don't believe he only took it for the worlds and don't believe he's clean now.

Stupid dopers get caught and he's been very clever since his return.

I personally think he is riding clean, but think he still does damage by only partially speaking out against doping. He makes on the surface comments to encourage young riders to ride clean but as far as i know has not done much to name names and speak out against old dopers.

found it interesting in his book that when he was arrested by the French he implied he broke down and told them everything. not sure if that included naming names and if anyone else was ever arrested as a result

 

[Martin318is]

yes, he also mentions having contacted ASO and UCI about his suspicions of what was happening at Saunier Duval a long time before they were eventually busted and being told, "nothing we can do"

 

[bobbins]

yes, he also mentions having contacted ASO and UCI about his suspicions of what was happening at Saunier Duval a long time before they were eventually busted and being told, "nothing we can do"

Apparently he tipped off the UCI about Iban Mayo. BFD, dobbed in one of Armstrongs rivals yet said nothing about how the tests are evaded etc. All talk and no action.

 

[Ripper]

Booo hooo, Davey is not allowed into the Olympics. I'm not convinced he would be even if he had not tested positive. He has not exactly been rocking the cycling world of late.

 

[bobbins]

Booo hooo, Davey is not allowed into the Olympics. I'm not convinced he would be even if he had not tested positive. He has not exactly been rocking the cycling world of late.

Are you sure? He was welcomed back into the bosom of British Cycling before his ban was even over and his sister has a significant influence within BC, considering she is only a 'Project Manager' she seems to wield more influence that one would imagine. Very close in with Dave B.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Booo hooo, Davey is not allowed into the Olympics. I'm not convinced he would be even if he had not tested positive. He has not exactly been rocking the cycling world of late.

I think CAS stated that April will be the date for the judgement on WADA versus the BOA regarding this matter.

Millar is one of 4-5 contenders for the 2 ITT spots. However I think its safe to say that Wiggo has one of those locked up.
So really its 3-4 for just one spot. (Froome, Millar, Dowsett and maybe Stannard).

Which one gets it I think is more down to the structure of the road race team, than the chances in ITT per se. As such Froome and Stannard are ahead of Millar and Dowsett for me.

 

[AcademyCC]

I think CAS stated that April will be the date for the judgement on WADA versus the BOA regarding this matter.

Millar is one of 4-5 contenders for the 2 ITT spots. However I think its safe to say that Wiggo has one of those locked up.
So really its 3-4 for just one spot. (Froome, Millar, Dowsett and maybe Stannard).

Which one gets it I think is more down to the structure of the road race team, than the chances in ITT per se. As such Froome and Stannard are ahead of Millar and Dowsett for me.

I think its has to be Froome or Stannard, theyve got to look to the future. Imagine if you were either of those two guys and Millar with his history and at his age got selected in front of you. You's be seriously ****ed off!

 

[JA.Tri]

I think its has to be Froome or Stannard, theyve got to look to the future. Imagine if you were either of those two guys and Millar with his history and at his age got selected in front of you. You's be seriously ****ed off!

Rather than looking to the future, would not the rider with best form/probabiliy of success be selected? Not saying that would knock out Froome, Stannard ...or for that matter Dowsett.

My guess is Froome (to join Wiggins).

 

[AcademyCC]

Rather than looking to the future, would not the rider with best form/probabiliy of success be selected? Not saying that would knock out Froome, Stannard ...or for that matter Dowsett.

My guess is Froome (to join Wiggins).

I would usually agree with you. Send the best possible team. However in this situation I cant agree with selecting Millar. He had his chance in Sydney and fluffed it.

 

[Ripper]

Are you sure? He was welcomed back into the bosom of British Cycling before his ban was even over and his sister has a significant influence within BC, considering she is only a 'Project Manager' she seems to wield more influence that one would imagine. Very close in with Dave B.

There's politics, no doubt, although there are politics pushing in the opposite direction as well. But as others have noted above, there are other contenders who have impressed much, much more of late. BC wants to win the TT and the RR. Securing that is less likely with DM. He will not be on the TT team unless catastrophe strikes the others. He is not needed on the RR team to achieve what needs to be done.

Period.